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Post by theoretical on Apr 22, 2020 20:27:50 GMT -5
Going with the theory that FF walked from his car to the tc spot twice in one day carrying the chest and treasure, I’m wondering what others think is a fitting slope for the hike? I know there is not agreement on the distance, and that would factor in, but how steep of a hike could an 80 year old man reasonably handle? Again making an assumption he went off trail could make it more difficult. Certainly flat is possible but this is the Rocky Mountains so some slope is also possible, especially if a creek is involved. I’m thinking up to about 8% average slope over say 1/2 mile or so might be reasonable. Thoughts?
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Post by brianu on Apr 22, 2020 20:41:39 GMT -5
I don't think anyone should do anything over a gentle slope....please don't.... I tried the bageezers out of this theory, thinking Fenn was like a 80yr old mountain man and I paid dearly. One can assume grade and slope and distance, but without data it's up to the individual to test and confirm. It can be very tiring
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 21:10:27 GMT -5
This is the very thing that has kept the chest hidden for as long as it has. Forrest has also stated that you will be surprised where it's at. If the creek you go up has heavy loads and water high, you are literally hiking this creek to the top of it. He has also stated that it is not at the top of a mountain but maybe near the top. It is my opinion that the 200 & 500 footers thought this very same thing and decided against the incline and turned around. I wouldn't underestimate Forrest when he was 79, not 80. The preface of OUAW tells his age. I climbed a 30° incline with my mother for a 1/2 mile when she was 77.
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Post by thetruthisoutthere on Apr 22, 2020 21:18:29 GMT -5
It could be a longer distance on foot if it was flat, but I'm thinking there could be 200' of steep terrain at the end. I've done very steep slopes where I had to rest every twenty steps, but could still cover a few hundred feet in 15 minutes. So very doable time wise if I had a whole afternoon to do it twice.
But nothing so steep as to be dangerous, that's a different matter.
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Post by Jenny on Apr 23, 2020 7:07:42 GMT -5
There'll be no paddle up your creek..... which does seem to suggest you will be walking up some sort of creek and possible slope... just how much of one?
.... it is in a place a person, and presumably, this includes fishermen, artifact searchers, explorers, anyone.... wouldn't normally go.... if it was flat with easy access, I'm not sure Forrest could say 'it's in a place a person wouldn't normally go'... People are always looking for those 'secret spots' up creeks and would go up them.... so a slope might be the deterrent...
....of course, maybe the type of 'person' Forrest was thinking of in his statement only includes tourists or of those couch potatoes he was trying to get out and about.......
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Post by vibeup on Apr 23, 2020 9:49:30 GMT -5
I would predict a difficult slope, but a short distance from the car than many searchers imagine. This would protect the chest from people stumbling upon it since it appears that WWWH (and possibly even hoB) have a fair amount of human traffic. I'd guess 1/2 mile or less at a 10-15 degree inline.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Apr 23, 2020 13:57:22 GMT -5
It seems that most people assume that you will be following a creek at some point in your journey to the treasure's location. That may not be a valid assumption.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 14:36:03 GMT -5
It seems that most people assume that you will be following a creek at some point in your journey to the treasure's location. That may not be a valid assumption. There is no paddle up your creek but there is heavy loads and water high. If there is high water up your creek, the creek is that high water and the poem reads you are to go up it. I can't see it not being valid. The words speak for themselves. Along with "your effort will be worth the cold" There is no doubt that you hike a creek and this creek is cold from the heavy loads of snow melt. In other words you are going to get wet just as the treasure chest is wet. |
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Post by zaphod73491 on Apr 23, 2020 15:07:17 GMT -5
It seems that most people assume that you will be following a creek at some point in your journey to the treasure's location. That may not be a valid assumption. There is no paddle up your creek but there is heavy loads and water high. If there is high water up your creek, the creek is that high water and the poem reads you are to go up it. I can't see it not being valid. The words speak for themselves. Along with "your effort will be worth the cold" There is no doubt that you hike a creek and this creek is cold from the heavy loads of snow melt. In other words you are going to get wet just as the treasure chest is wet. "There'll be no paddle up your creek" could simply be a euphemistic instruction to NOT go that way at all. Perhaps at that point of following the clues you are presented with a binary choice -- one of which is to follow "your creek" -- and the clue is actually telling you to go with the other choice. |
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Post by jdiggins on Apr 23, 2020 15:25:48 GMT -5
"I made two trips from my car to the hiding place and it was done in one afternoon.f "
Seems too simple, too close to walk.
Two trips, one afternoon. I have a few theories...
1. he went on any random day, say june 1, 2009, and he went again one year later on the same day, june 1, 2010. That scenario can explain the above, because it was done in one afternoon, the same date, just a year apart.
2. He fell twice. He made two falls, he went in autumn, twice.
And let's not even venture into what I think of the word AUtumn...
3. ...done in one afternoon. Afternoon hours are designated with "pm", so done in 1pm. 1 PM military time is 1300 hours
Done in 1300...
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Post by zaphod73491 on Apr 23, 2020 15:44:18 GMT -5
Hi JDiggins: I don't think there's any wiggle room on the interpretation following the Ripley's Believe It or Notcast last year. At the 23:40 mark:
"Well, I’ve said many times that … don't look for the treasure someplace where a 79- or 80-year-old man couldn't go twice in one afternoon. I mean, I took … the gold in one time, and then I came back to my car, I got the treasure chest, and I took it in. I didn't want to carry 42 pounds at one time, and the gold was about half the weight of the chest, so it worked out really good. And I went to where I hid that chest – I did it twice in one afternoon from my car."
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Post by grapette79or80 on Apr 23, 2020 16:39:25 GMT -5
“Took it in” —> Took it in the canyon down?
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Post by thetreasurehunter on Apr 23, 2020 19:23:08 GMT -5
"I made two trips from my car to the hiding place and it was done in one afternoon.f " Seems too simple, too close to walk. Two trips, one afternoon. I have a few theories... 1. he went on any random day, say june 1, 2009, and he went again one year later on the same day, june 1, 2010. That scenario can explain the above, because it was done in one afternoon, the same date, just a year apart. 2. He fell twice. He made two falls, he went in autumn, twice. And let's not even venture into what I think of the word AUtumn... 3. ...done in one afternoon. Afternoon hours are designated with "pm", so done in 1pm. 1 PM military time is 1300 hours Done in 1300... I'm not thinking there is any subterfuge in his statement about making two trips. He's said it more than once, and in different ways. |
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