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Post by Jenny on May 2, 2020 16:30:53 GMT -5
I'm in the process of gathering up quotes on how close searchers have been to the treasure chest.....and this quote from 2013 caught my attention.... There have been some people very close to the treasure chest. There have been people that figured out the first couple of clues and walked right past the treasure chest. I think it’s there. I haven’t checked on it, but I’m 99.9% sure it’s there.www.eisradio.org/item/003/Other times it is something more like 'went right past'......which makes you feel like you could have been driving.... but this suggests otherwise... is it a mistake in words? (like how hidden/buried get mixed up?) |
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Post by Jenny on May 2, 2020 16:58:56 GMT -5
and how close is 'very close'?
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Post by goldilocks on May 2, 2020 17:20:20 GMT -5
I would say the word walked is very specific. Went is a general term...I went into town (on my bike, drove the car, jogged etc). There’s no mistaking walked IMO. He said what he meant. If they were very close and walked then I would say clues 3-9 are within a few hundred yards or less.
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Post by harrytruman on May 2, 2020 18:03:09 GMT -5
Forrest has publicly stated "went right past" at least five times. A sixth time he stated "they go right past," so I include that here, too.
He has publicly stated "walked right past" at least three times. The EIS interview was one. Another was at Moby Dickens (Nov. 2013). A third was at The Lure screening (May 2017).
His use of "walked" each time could have been accidental, but my solution suggests a high likelihood that both are accurate -- some searchers who had solved the first two clues went (drove) past the chest and other searchers who had solved the first two clues walked past the chest.
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Post by locolobo on May 3, 2020 0:10:57 GMT -5
Forrest has publicly stated "went right past" at least five times. A sixth time he stated "they go right past," so I include that here, too. He has publicly stated "walked right past" at least three times. The EIS interview was one. Another was at Moby Dickens (Nov. 2013). A third was at The Lure screening (May 2017). His use of "walked" each time could have been accidental, but my solution suggests a high likelihood that both are accurate -- some searchers who had solved the first two clues went (drove) past the chest and other searchers who had solved the first two clues walked past the chest. Harry, here is another comment for your 'walked' file:
May 27, 2016 - - Richard Eeds…. santafe.com/podcasts/forrest-fenn-on-treasure-hunting-in-the-rockies - - @ 10:22 - “people have been within 200 feet that I know for sure because they tell me where they are.” - - - @ 11:42 - “….But sure, people have figured the first couple of clues and unfortunately walked right past the chest.”
ETA: Before anyone assumes, NO, I don't think the second clue is within 200 feet!!! 
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Post by zaphod73491 on May 3, 2020 14:05:40 GMT -5
Thanks for that Richard Eeds link, Loco -- I didn't realize there had been a third Eeds radio show w/Forrest. (Or maybe there's even more than 3, for all I know!) Listening to it now -- amusing misspeak at the very beginning (about 3:45 in). Forrest conflates Stephanie's name and Cynthia's -- calls one of the 2016 Fennboree organizers "Stephanie Meachum." ;-)
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Post by locolobo on May 3, 2020 14:30:28 GMT -5
Thanks for that Richard Eeds link, Loco -- I didn't realize there had been a third Eeds radio show w/Forrest. (Or maybe there's even more than 3, for all I know!) Listening to it now -- amusing misspeak at the very beginning (about 3:45 in). Forrest conflates Stephanie's name and Cynthia's -- calls one of the 2016 Fennboree organizers "Stephanie Meachum." ;-) You're welcome.....yep, there's some interesting 'stuff' out there!!  |
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Post by harrytruman on May 3, 2020 16:13:27 GMT -5
ETA: Before anyone assumes, NO, I don't think the second clue is within 200 feet!!!
Thanks locolobo. I agree -- I don't think solving the second clue puts you anywhere near 200 feet (or even 500 feet). I can understand why a lot of searchers think that it does. But if they put themselves in the shoes of a two-clue solver (or just thought about one thing that all two-clue solvers almost certainly had in common, other than solving the first two clues), they might realize why they are wrong (in my opinion). |
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Post by crm114 on May 3, 2020 16:18:27 GMT -5
Thanks for that Richard Eeds link, Loco -- I didn't realize there had been a third Eeds radio show w/Forrest. (Or maybe there's even more than 3, for all I know!) Listening to it now -- amusing misspeak at the very beginning (about 3:45 in). Forrest conflates Stephanie's name and Cynthia's -- calls one of the 2016 Fennboree organizers "Stephanie Meachum." ;-) You're welcome.....yep, there's some interesting 'stuff' out there!! I hadn't heard this one either. Another interesting thing is he speaks of the 15 years writing the poem, and speaks of a "reboot" as if he had to start over from scratch at least once. This sounds different than the time he showed a version to Doug Preston who prompted some changes, or the version with "bones" in it. |
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Post by crm114 on May 3, 2020 17:26:08 GMT -5
ETA: Before anyone assumes, NO, I don't think the second clue is within 200 feet!!!
Thanks locolobo. I agree -- I don't think solving the second clue puts you anywhere near 200 feet (or even 500 feet). I can understand why a lot of searchers think that it does. But if they put themselves in the shoes of a two-clue solver (or just thought about one thing that all two-clue solvers almost certainly had in common, other than solving the first two clues), they might realize why they are wrong (in my opinion). The LGFI gets conflated with the two clue solvers and the 200/500 footers, I think. Between these three separate ideas, people come up with the belief that you must go BOTG after solving the first two clues, and then you're highly likely to "walk right on by" within 200 feet of the treasure. This leads people to believe the rest of the clues are in a confined area that people are walking right by. Throw in the various quotes where f says he "followed the clues" when he hid the treasure, and you bolster the compact clue area argument if you believe he was walking clue to clue past clue 2. Personally, I don't think f is saying the two clue solvers were the same as the 200/500 footers. I agree with you that solving the first two clues is not likely to put you near enough to be to be walking within 200/500 feet of the treasure twice in an afternoon. You have to solve further than that to get that close. Unfortunately, that means I have to believe f was speaking metaphorically when he says the two clue people walked right past the treasure. I think the LGFI can armchair past two clues, at least if she has the right tools. Also, I think f simply mentally followed the clues when he hid it. Unless the clues are all on the same road/trail to get there, there should be no need to visit the armchair clues by definition, whether you believe you can only armchair 2 or all 9. Maybe f felt the need to travel by each one when he hid the treasure for sentimental reasons, but that would not be included in the one afternoon hiding, nor was it necessary. |
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Post by Jenny on May 14, 2020 6:17:22 GMT -5
Why can't the location where Forrest parked his sedan, which is assumingly where we park our car too, be within 500 feet of the Treasure Chest? Is it just because your solutions don't have it that way?..... or is there other evidence this isn't the case?
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Post by vibeup on May 14, 2020 7:36:32 GMT -5
Why can't the location where Forrest parked his sedan, which is assumingly where we park our car too, be within 500 feet of the Treasure Chest? Is it just because your solutions don't have it that way?..... or is there other evidence this isn't the case? It certainly could be close to the parking spot, but here's another quote from Fenn that perplexes me the most (emphasis mine): "Some few have stopped within several hundred feet of the correct location, and then passed it by." Source: mysteriouswritings.com/forrest-fenn-treasure-hunters-within-200-feet-and-the-first-four-clues-solved/It sounds to me as though 500' searchers are in motion (walking/hiking?) and moving in the general direction towards the hiding spot, then something gets their attention enough to stop and take a picture of it (Forrest said he knows how close because of photos) and then they continue walking past. My theory is that they are photographing the home of Brown, but they haven't identified it as such and simply walk on past. That could also explain why Forrest isn't sure if someone has solved hoB yet. |
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Post by crm114 on May 15, 2020 10:21:47 GMT -5
Why can't the location where Forrest parked his sedan, which is assumingly where we park our car too, be within 500 feet of the Treasure Chest? Is it just because your solutions don't have it that way?..... or is there other evidence this isn't the case? I think he was 200 ft or maybe even a little closer when he parked. I think he spent most of his time hiding, not hiking. Even that close, I'm not sure how he accomplished hiding it in one afternoon. I wish I knew that story, but I bet it involved multiple days or trips, with the formality of hiding it taking one afternoon. Consider: - He has to precisely locate where lines cross, imo. He has match the spot to the poem, at least in his mind. - Locate a suitable spot - scout out and make sure no people are around - dig, (or not) and figure out what to do if the spot is undiggable. Maybe he has to iterate - cover up (or not) - make it look natural, so nobody would stumble on it - subtly mark it (or not) - think about it, making sure everything is perfect, then laugh and go back to his car. I think he said in the fall 2019 something along the lines that multiple things had to go right. - things I haven't thought of - things maybe even he didn't think of Lore has it all this is easy and he did it in one afternoon. I don't think it's easy at all, and Forrest isn't the kind of guy to spend 15 years on the poem, and one afternoon doing all of the above. He probably did a lot of the above beforehand. If he really did it all in one afternoon, I'd sure bet he parked very close. |
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Post by zaphod73491 on May 15, 2020 23:32:20 GMT -5
Why can't the location where Forrest parked his sedan, which is assumingly where we park our car too, be within 500 feet of the Treasure Chest? It could be, but isn't. Not the right question. That's a consideration, just not a correct one. Nope. That is one reason why you fail. Focus on WWWH. If you aren't sure about it, you shouldn't ponder later clues. |
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Post by crm114 on May 16, 2020 0:57:55 GMT -5
That is one reason why you fail. Focus on WWWH. If you aren't sure about it, you shouldn't ponder later clues. It's hard to tell what this (one of several) reasons you think I fail is. Am I missing a link between WWWH and how he hid it in one afternoon? I don't see what the two could possibly have to do with each other. I also don't see why anyone would go out and search without some minimal theory of how he hid it - do you expect it to just be plopped on the ground or buried 3 feet deep or something else? Each has implications when combined with the area you intend to search. I don't consider how he hid it Clue 9, so I ponder it before I go out. It's independent of the clues, imo. |
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