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Post by zaphod73491 on May 16, 2020 3:32:26 GMT -5
You make this out to be so complicated. Forrest is not a complicated man. At most 90 minutes round trip to take the treasure in; another 90 max to follow up with the chest and combine. He didn't take a shovel (would make him stand out like a sore thumb). Therefore not buried pirate-style. Concealed.
But to paraphrase Forrest, there is way too much attention being paid to later clues. 99.9% of searchers don't know WWWH, and yet they fixate on home of Brown and the blaze. Expensive folly.
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Post by astree on May 16, 2020 5:57:42 GMT -5
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I was attracted to the idea of the treasure being hidden near the parking space, because that seems like a forest type of thing to do.
One of the considerations is that forest said he took two trips to hide the treasure, and it seems unlikely that he would need two trips if he hid it within 500 feet of his car.
Second, Forest also said that he did not loop back to the starting point to where he hid the treasure. For the people that believe that forest actually followed, on the ground, the clues of the poem when he had the treasure, consider what this would mean if he parked the car and then followed all the clues to within 500 feet of the car to hide the treasure, Without looping back.
(Zaphod, I think it’s only second or third hand information we have that indicates forest did not use tools to hide the treasure. While I lean toward a shovel not being necessary for Forest or for the person that retrieves the treasure, it is possible as far as I can see that forrest could’ve taken a shovel, possibly a folding shovel in his backpack, when he hid the treasure).
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Post by Bownarrow on May 16, 2020 6:17:51 GMT -5
(Zaphod, I think it’s only second or third hand information we have that indicates forest did not use tools to hide the treasure. While I lean toward a shovel not being necessary for Forest or for the person that retrieves the treasure, it is possible as far as I can see that forrest could’ve taken a shovel, possibly a folding shovel in his backpack, when he hid the treasure). Or there is a shovel at the spot!  |
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Post by astree on May 16, 2020 8:02:47 GMT -5
(Zaphod, I think it’s only second or third hand information we have that indicates forest did not use tools to hide the treasure. While I lean toward a shovel not being necessary for Forest or for the person that retrieves the treasure, it is possible as far as I can see that forrest could’ve taken a shovel, possibly a folding shovel in his backpack, when he hid the treasure). Or there is a shovel at the spot! If youve been wise and found the blaze I fuzed a wide fenn bone shovel beauty but tarry scant with marvel gaze |
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Post by crm114 on May 16, 2020 8:34:49 GMT -5
You make this out to be so complicated. Forrest is not a complicated man. At most 90 minutes round trip to take the treasure in; another 90 max to follow up with the chest and combine. He didn't take a shovel (would make him stand out like a sore thumb). Therefore not buried pirate-style. Concealed. But to paraphrase Forrest, there is way too much attention being paid to later clues. 99.9% of searchers don't know WWWH, and yet they fixate on home of Brown and the blaze. Expensive folly. I'm probably a complicator, but I still can't figure out why that would make my WWWH wrong. No matter, let's break this down logically. Fifteen years to write the poem, 6 months to write the book, maybe 32 hours driving round trip to the spot if is as far as southern Montana, then 3 hours hiking - that leaves 3 hours max "concealing" if we stretch the definition of afternoon. All it takes is 3 hours or less to hide after all that. Scouting for people watching, possibly waiting for them to pass by, figuring out the exact spot and how to finalize the poem to match, then figuring out how to conceal it, then concealing it, all within 500 feet where lots of people go. Bam, just like that. Good against anyone stumbling upon it for 1000 years, yet precisely findable by the solver. What I can't figure out is why he went to all that trouble to bury the bells 3 feet deep so they would not be stumbled upon for 1000 years. Depending on how far he hiked for that, it seems like he went to a lot more trouble with the bells than the chest, at least as far as hiding them. No 15 year poem required for the bells, though. |
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Post by crm114 on May 16, 2020 8:51:21 GMT -5
.One of the considerations is that forest said he took two trips to hide the treasure, and it seems unlikely that he would need two trips if he hid it within 500 feet of his car. I dunno, the shorter the distance, the more likely I am to break 42 pounds up into two loads. If I have to hike 10 miles in to a spot, I can guarantee I'm doing 1 trip with 42 pounds as opposed to 2 with ~20 pounds. If I'm within 500 feet, I'm probably making multiple trips if hiding a treasure - one to scout while leaving everything in the car, then one or two to haul and hide. It's just not that far. |
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Post by astree on May 16, 2020 9:46:18 GMT -5
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That’s a good point, CRM. I guess it could go either way. I think forrest also said that he carried the treasure in a backpack on his way to hiding it, which I guess he could do even at a short distance if he was afraid someone may spot him.
I am aware that some searchers think the puzzle isn’t that complicated, and I disagree. So I think we are on the same page along those lines
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Post by engr101 on May 16, 2020 9:51:51 GMT -5
Mr. Fenn said he made two trips that day to hide the treasure and chest. Did he ever say how many times he actually visited the site prior to hiding the chest? Over the years he must have spent enough time there to feel extremely confident of its security and to make any site preparations long before treasure moving day.
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Post by crm114 on May 16, 2020 9:57:47 GMT -5
astree I didn't think we were talking of the poem, but rather whether the hiding was complicated. I think with 15 years writing it, and noone finding it, it should be obvious the poem is hard. We could probably argue a whole 'nother thread whether that means its complicated 😅
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Post by brianu on May 16, 2020 9:59:41 GMT -5
While holding treasure it appears that Forrest couldn't be seen through the trees. Interesting! I've often believed it just might have been an inside job. Now it's just a matter of figuring out if it was coniferous or deciduous.
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Post by crm114 on May 16, 2020 10:13:59 GMT -5
Mr. Fenn said he made two trips that day to hide the treasure and chest. Did he ever say how many times he actually visited the site prior to hiding the chest? Over the years he must have spent enough time there to feel extremely confident of its security and to make any site preparations long before treasure moving day. I don't think he has said. My original thoughts were along the lines of how much did he visit the site between when he decided to hide a treasure there and the famous afternoon. I can't imagine writing a poem for 15 years, just recalling the spot from memory (from pre-treasure days), then hiding it in an afternoon. Maybe it's just me, but I'd scout it out at least once while writing it, and at least once while finalizing the poem, then at least arrive there the day before to check it out and say goodbye to your spot you can't ever go back to. Plus he said he finished the poem after he hid it. That probably involved some thinking on-site to make it just right. Heck I'd probably spend the week there and do some fishing. You can still technically hide it in an afternoon, but a week would allow me to be sure I had everything fully planned out and enjoy the place for the last time. |
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Post by engr101 on May 19, 2020 14:49:44 GMT -5
Mr. Fenn said he made two trips that day to hide the treasure and chest. Did he ever say how many times he actually visited the site prior to hiding the chest? Over the years he must have spent enough time there to feel extremely confident of its security and to make any site preparations long before treasure moving day. I don't think he has said. My original thoughts were along the lines of how much did he visit the site between when he decided to hide a treasure there and the famous afternoon. I can't imagine writing a poem for 15 years, just recalling the spot from memory (from pre-treasure days), then hiding it in an afternoon. Maybe it's just me, but I'd scout it out at least once while writing it, and at least once while finalizing the poem, then at least arrive there the day before to check it out and say goodbye to your spot you can't ever go back to. Plus he said he finished the poem after he hid it. That probably involved some thinking on-site to make it just right. Heck I'd probably spend the week there and do some fishing. You can still technically hide it in an afternoon, but a week would allow me to be sure I had everything fully planned out and enjoy the place for the last time. I agree with you about Mr. Fenn making a pre-visit to the site as a final check just before placing the treasure. However, this creates a logistic problem. If it was me, I would not want to leave a million dollars sitting in my unattended vehicle, or a motel room, while I went to do a quick check of the site. In my opinion, this would suggest the treasure site is within a day’s drive from his home vault, at most. Even if he checked out the area in the morning, a half-day’s round trip from home would leave him time to return home, retrieve the treasure, place it in the afternoon and be back home by evening. However, checking out the location the day before sounds more reasonable. |
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Post by crm114 on May 20, 2020 0:58:18 GMT -5
engr101 I have thought about this. No matter which state he hid it in he's going out alone in the wilds with $2+M. If the northern states, he's spending a night in a hotel. Yet Fenn is one cool cucumber, having survived getting shot down. I'd guess he was careful and protective, but otherwise thought nothing of it.
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Post by engr101 on May 20, 2020 20:14:29 GMT -5
engr101 I have thought about this. No matter which state he hid it in he's going out alone in the wilds with $2+M. If the northern states, he's spending a night in a hotel. Yet Fenn is one cool cucumber, having survived getting shot down. I'd guess he was careful and protective, but otherwise thought nothing of it. In the wilds is different than in a public area, and quite frankly safer. A cautious person wouldn’t chance it if there were safer options, e.g. minimize the chance of human encounter. Once he was confident from the previous visit that the site has not been compromised, he would feel more at ease arriving at the parking area with the treasure and chest in the vehicle. Then, if there was no evidence of people in the area, he could immediately transport the treasure to the site, then return for the chest and carry that to the site all in one afternoon. Everything in this type of operation is under his control totally secure. If he had to first transport everything to, let’s say Yellowstone first, then the only safe and secure way to that is in his own vehicle where he would have control over the treasure. He wouldn’t risk checking-in 42lbs of treasure at the airport, train station, or bus terminal (at the time he had no pilot license and no private plane). The trip from his vault to Yellowstone would take several days that would include stops for meals, rooms, and gasoline. There are too many chances for something to go wrong, not to mention leaving a paper trail.
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