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Post by whotrollsnigh on Jun 9, 2020 12:21:47 GMT -5
On page 131 of The Thrill of the Chase lives the widely known and outwardly patternless hint: "It's in the mountains somewhere north of Santa Fe."But what if there's more to this line than meets the eye? What if this line secretly tells the reader the actual somewhere? . The riddle is simple. The mountains north of Santa Fe are called the Rockies. If you put the word Rockies north of (above) the word Santa Fe, a cleverly hidden message is revealed. This is very similar to a common method of hiding information called a rail fence cipher. .  KIT CARSON |
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Post by 49 dollers on Jun 9, 2020 13:02:07 GMT -5
On page 131 of The Thrill of the Chase lives the widely known and outwardly patternless hint: "It's in the mountains somewhere north of Santa Fe."But what if there's more to this line than meets the eye? What if this line secretly tells the reader the actual somewhere? . The riddle is simple. The mountains north of Santa Fe are called the Rockies. If you put the word Rockies north of (above) the word Santa Fe, a cleverly hidden message is revealed. This is very similar to a common method of hiding information called a rail fence cipher. . KIT CARSONI don't know if your correct but that's brilliant. |
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Post by grapette79or80 on Jun 9, 2020 13:20:16 GMT -5
Well done!
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Post by nica on Jun 9, 2020 13:20:45 GMT -5
Kit Carson is buried in Taos.
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Post by theoretical on Jun 9, 2020 13:36:26 GMT -5
Very clever!
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Post by whotrollsnigh on Jun 9, 2020 20:35:55 GMT -5
Thank you all for the positive responses.
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Post by lbkgoat on Jun 9, 2020 22:22:45 GMT -5
It was in Carson National Forest, or at least the solve led you there!
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Post by casperjeff on Jun 10, 2020 4:47:01 GMT -5
I don't want to be "that guy" - but this isn't a rail cypher. The fact that you start forward and then go backwards - plus the fact that you go sideways to pick up the 'KIT' completely breaks whatever pattern you ARE seeing. This is what a 2-line rail cypher would look like  what you have appears to be a false anagram (as all the letters aren't used to make it a true anagram) |
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Post by whotrollsnigh on Jun 10, 2020 8:01:58 GMT -5
I don't want to be "that guy" - but this isn't a rail cypher. The fact that you start forward and then go backwards - plus the fact that you go sideways to pick up the 'KIT' completely breaks whatever pattern you ARE seeing. This is what a 2-line rail cypher would look like what you have appears to be a false anagram (as all the letters aren't used to make it a true anagram) Thanks for the reply casperjeff. I really appreciate the feedback. I did only said it was similar (chiefly the stacked zig-zag pattern). But your points are correct, and it's far from a true rail fence cipher. Maybe I should have left out that connection, since the pattern is straightforward enough already. . Regardless of whether it adheres to any traditional rules, this can still be a valid method of hiding information. It was easily explained in just a few short lines in my OP, and can be understood by a child. The fact that we are looking for a somewhere north of Santa Fe, and following the language of this hint reveals a full proper name with close ties to places just north of Santa Fe, is rather convincing proof. . But we won't know until we know. |
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Post by casperjeff on Jun 10, 2020 9:56:01 GMT -5
I too have looked closely at the paragraphs and words surrounding the poem in TTOTC. The words were chosen deliberately and (I also think) surely contain additional information - but this example really appears to be a forced solve as it is a false anagram generated from a derived (not provided) word (rockies).
Find other like this in this area of the book and the aggregate sum might be something exciting...
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Post by whotrollsnigh on Jun 10, 2020 10:08:25 GMT -5
I too have looked closely at the paragraphs and words surrounding the poem in TTOTC. The words were chosen deliberately and (I also think) surely contain additional information - but this example really appears to be a forced solve as it is a false anagram generated from a derived (not provided) word (rockies). Find other like this in this area of the book and the aggregate sum might be something exciting... I agree about the paragraphs surrounding the poem. And there should be more. . I disagree this is any form of anagram. It's a riddle, and the riddle has two easy steps. 1.) Figure out "the mountains north of Santa Fe." Answer: ROCKIES 2.) Place the mountains north of SANTA FE. That's it. The message is clear when the words are stacked, as per the riddle's instructions. |
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Post by casperjeff on Jun 10, 2020 10:59:51 GMT -5
I disagree this is any form of anagram. It's a riddle, and the riddle has two easy steps. 1.) Figure out "the mountains north of Santa Fe." Answer: ROCKIES 2.) Place the mountains north of SANTA FE. That's it. The message is clear when the words are stacked, as per the riddle's instructions. And after that? How do you know to select those 9 letters out of the 14 to make Kit Carson? |
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Post by whotrollsnigh on Jun 10, 2020 11:29:02 GMT -5
I disagree this is any form of anagram. It's a riddle, and the riddle has two easy steps. 1.) Figure out "the mountains north of Santa Fe." Answer: ROCKIES 2.) Place the mountains north of SANTA FE. That's it. The message is clear when the words are stacked, as per the riddle's instructions. And after that? How do you know to select those 9 letters out of the 14 to make Kit Carson? I can't say right now about after that. I certainly understand your skepticism, but I don't think one needs to know which letters to select. When assembled correctly, the letters connect and the message stares back out at the reader. |
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Post by oaktree on Jun 10, 2020 11:31:30 GMT -5
You could be correct, but did you begin from the premise that the Kit Carson forest was the area and plug it in? Someone who believes the quest is a hoax could suggest the message is "I see a con", or some such thing, and it would fit.
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Post by whotrollsnigh on Jun 10, 2020 11:43:32 GMT -5
You could be correct, but did you begin from the premise that the Kit Carson forest was the area and plug it in? Someone who believes the quest is a hoax could suggest the message is "I see a con", or some such thing, and it would fit. No, I have had no premises in the past, and I still don't. The problem with another message like that is the letters are not linked together, and they don't relate to any specific somewhere that is north of Santa Fe. If it truly is a riddle, it should give the solver a somewhere. |
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