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Post by sangre on Jun 16, 2020 19:29:17 GMT -5
What’s so incredible about SB 107? I mean, I could take a guess. There are definitely some peculiarities. Are you coming up with some coordinates from the story about a twisted phone cord? Or is there a ciphered message on the note pad? At this point, what benefit are we gaining from sharing or not sharing what we see hidden within SB107? I truly would appreciate your thoughts. I don’t think you are going to be giving away any super secret hints? Maybe there are several natures to Fenn’s game.
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Post by Apple on Jun 16, 2020 19:43:33 GMT -5
Nkown, do you mind if I answer Sangre on your behalf?
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Post by nkown on Jun 16, 2020 21:09:27 GMT -5
Jeff -- have at!! You get it.
I can post my SB107 solve but the pictures / screenshots really help and posting pictures onto this board is a PIA...
Suffice it to say, for tonight, that there is a 'wright' way to do things -- and that FF was a pilot for much of his life. Therefore, heading from Florence waypoint at 192.1 heading will direct you precisely into Double Eagle waypoint... and the opposite heading (subtract 180 degrees) of 12.1 will hit something else precisely.... where a whole lot of other references are manifest....
If you headed, at that time of the SB posting (magnetic degrees change a bit over time), 189 degrees or 193 degrees you would NOT hit Double Eagle waypoint....
Now all of that info was on the envelope -- and the double eagles are in the chest. I did not know of Florence waypoint or double eagle waypoint before taking the 'write' / 'right' / 'wright' way. But typing in 192.1 heading from Florence hit Double Eagle exactly. That cannot be coincidence. And it's not metaphor.
Heading 12.1 degrees you hit the USAFA exactly. And that's the direction of the pen cap. What's there? everything I mentioned in my other threads... 38 different Fenn references, including the Carillon, Glenn statue of the 'general solve', the golf course where sneed and demeret played, stanley canyon, 411 drive, pinion road, falcon trail, deadman's creek, etc.
SB107 is the puzzle that is solvable b/c FF flew his last flight... he didn't stop driving a car, he stopped flying an airplane. The day he hid the chest -- alone in there -- is the last flight of forrest fenn. It's an elegant puzzle. I'm so very sad / mad I didn't find it for that reason.
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Post by nkown on Jun 16, 2020 21:10:43 GMT -5
oh -- and the addressee is Mr. U Puceet. Up U cee t. Up You See It.
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Post by Apple on Jun 16, 2020 21:44:14 GMT -5
What’s so incredible about SB 107? I mean, I could take a guess. There are definitely some peculiarities. Are you coming up with some coordinates from the story about a twisted phone cord? Or is there a ciphered message on the note pad? At this point, what benefit are we gaining from sharing or not sharing what we see hidden within SB107? I truly would appreciate your thoughts. I don’t think you are going to be giving away any super secret hints? Maybe there are several natures to Fenn’s game. Hi Sangre, SB107 is wonderful (in my fantasies). I love talking about it! I wrote about it at length in an old post that was slightly off-topic for the thread. I will repost an edited and expanded version in a new thread soon. |
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Post by sangre on Jun 16, 2020 22:01:42 GMT -5
Nice. That’s perfectly simple and logical enough for anyone to see. The heading is right there on the envelope and same with the location to start from. “up u see it” is hidden in plain site too, just like in SB 231 “Yazzi dolls” becomes “ya see da el’s?” You “should recognize them as Yazzi dolls” See da 11’s
Going back to what Jeff was talking about, the nature of repetition seems to be important.
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Post by nkown on Jun 16, 2020 22:30:56 GMT -5
I'll post up a complete 107 solve with flight maps and waypoints. If you go exactly 192.1 degrees from waypoint Florence you hit waypoint Double Eagle. If you go at 189 degrees or 193 degrees you hit nothing.... that's the whole point of radio navigation. Up U see It.... Florence... and then reversed. Everything in the whole puzzle is reversed or mirrored. So the pen points up and to the right -- 12.1 degrees -- but the stated heading is 192.1. A straight line between Double Eagle / Florence at 12.1 degrees hits the USAFA where FF will be buried. And where 38 different SB references state nouns exactly to the map there or people... Doolittle, Glenna Goodacre, Sneed, etc.
Once you dig into the history you'll see the Woodmen logo, Gardiner (as Gardiner's Island), Parade, Pinion, 411 Drive... and most of all Polaris -- the north star.
If the path to the TC didn't go through or touch the USAFA I'll eat Mildew. Which btw is mirrored upside down in the poem very clearly.
M --> W ---> E ---> 3
b ---> d ---> p ---> q
n --> u
etc.
you can hide a lot of info in plain site with 3 mirrors... just as in his bathroom.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jun 17, 2020 0:05:31 GMT -5
Nice. That’s perfectly simple and logical enough for anyone to see. The heading is right there on the envelope and same with the location to start from. “up u see it” is hidden in plain site too, just like in SB 231 “Yazzi dolls” becomes “ya see da el’s?” You “should recognize them as Yazzi dolls” See da 11’s Going back to what Jeff was talking about, the nature of repetition seems to be important. Hi Sangre: SB 107, at least on its surface, seems to be all about OCD. Tangled phone cord, disordered flatware drawer, stamp askew, cap off the pen, folded corner on the fiver, and mixed case capitalization on the envelope address. In light of Olga and the tea rituals, I thought "Puceet" was a little nod to teecup/teacup, but never felt it was helpful toward solving the poem's clues. |
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Post by omni on Jul 5, 2020 0:53:21 GMT -5
You are way overcooking it. The puzzle was entirely geographic, and far simpler than all this.
The reason I know where the chest was (roughly) is that if you solve scrapbook 107 it tells you where the chest is, because it's all about the 3rd clue. The Home of Brown. The full solve of 107 is in my solve video. This is likely how the finder figured it out as well. One day it will be interesting to watch the reckoning as more and more people realize what was there despite what FF has said about the scrapbooks.
You guys do have one part right. It was in fact always supposed to be "Up you see it". But he's not talking about what you think.
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Post by indigojones on Jul 5, 2020 2:12:17 GMT -5
Jeff, You are right-on with much of what you stated. TTOTC was an instruction manual from the 1st chapter up to "My War for Me" it was not a Memoir. And ALL of TTOTC was all about the POEM from start to finish, as were TFTW, OUAW and all his writings. It was all about the POEM. To drive home that point, 166 was the number that helped create the missing and confirming "X" marks-the-spot and the precise 10"x10" spot. Thanks D, I didn't discover 166 but had some thoughts about "X".
Of course, "X" marks the hidden treasure on the stereotypical pirate treasure map. As has been stated many times, "X" is the only letter not in the poem and so perhaps we need to find it to find the treasure. I wondered if there was a connection to the Greek letter "chi", which you recall has an X-like shape and can be pronounced either "ki" or "key". Immediately after the poem he talks about Captain Kidd, a pirate with hidden treasure and a name that begins with "key"/"chi".
I wondered if "chi" could be "a word that is key." "Somewhere in the Rocky Mountains" could be read as "rock chi mountains". I think it's interesting that Fenn's two near death experiences described in TTOTC are related to "chi": in Laos he was shot down while bombing the "Ho Chi Min Trail" near Xêpon/Tchepone/Sepon (whose first syllable is is pronounced "shi" or a soft "chi") and he later developed kidney cancer which can be stretched to "chi"-dney cancer. That he supposedly planned his suicide beside the treasure chest could have this treasure chest death location also marked with an "X" as perhaps found in the poem.
If you subscribe to the theory that the mysteriously missing SB32 has something to do with The Hardy Boys Book 32 The Crisscross Shadow, remember that the hidden treasure in that story was found below an X-like shadow formed by rocks (a rock "chi" / rocky mountain). The likely Fenn persona/collaborator Cojfox also talks about "Chi Omega House" and "chi flowing" in a tantalizing post that Nkown brought to my attention and that he talked about in a recent post on this forum.
I didn't get any farther with this line of thought, and I certainly and unfortunately didn't get coordinates from it.
Does anyone else have any thoughts on "X" marks the spot?
Hi jeff, some really interesting stuff here along the lines of what I was following. On your 'X' theme there was one thing I discovered. I believe you may know I was pursuing the Zodiac circle as my solution took me to a circular cistern, a word Forrest uses in his chapter 'Blue Jeans and Hush Puppies Again' in this chapter there is the link to twins via his daughters resemblance to twins in a photograph, hence Gemini in the Zodiac. The title page shows Forrest and Peggy either side of a painting by 'Nikolai Fechin'. In the Zodiac the sign immediately opposite Gemini is 'SAGITTARIUS' sign 9. Within the word 'SAGITTARIUS' is the complete phrase 'Artist Sig AU' so looking into 'Fechin's' signature it revealed it as N.FE CHIN, notice that your word 'CHI' for 'X' is in there, if you extract it you are left with 'FENN' giving you: 'Chi Fenn' or ' X' Fenn. However if you remove the first and last letters (alluding to Alpha and Omega) you are left with the word 'FECHI' which is an anagram of 'CHIEF' well there is a rock outcrop along 'Phantom Canyon Road' called 'THE CHIEF' which I looked at to no avail. So thinking of the word 'Chief' and being in the state of COLORADO I immediately thought of Chief OURAY. The sign of 'SAGITTARIUS has the symbol of and 'ARROW' and the name OURAY means 'The Arrow', he was born during a meteor shower and given that name. He died when he was 47 which is the atomic number for 'Silver'. What is most interesting to me is that his wife named ' CHIPETA' was born under 'GEMINI' her name means 'White Singing Bird' So we have husband and wife opposite each other in the Zodiac. So draw a line between the two of them on the Zodiac. Let us now return to 'X' Fenn. Forrest Fenn's sign is LEO sign 5. His father was born under SCORPIO but he died under 'AQUARIUS'. Now join these two signs together and you get an 'X' across the Zodiac. The center would be a burial site of what I believed was the 'Bracelet' containing a clue to the , maybe Treasure chest proper, somewhere in a Pine Forest maybe close by. Would be interested in your thoughts on this jeff. indigo |
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Post by Apple on Jul 6, 2020 10:57:13 GMT -5
Hi Indigo, I will need to sit down and read your posts, you've posted a lot! Just superficially skimming them reminds me in the most general of ways of SB151 A Stellar Solution. I think I'm going to post something about SB151 and then try to find all your posts. Do you have a recommendation on where to start?
One point. Anagrams are problematic in that there are too many degrees of freedom. I don't mean to imply that Fenn didn't use anagrams (only Fenn, his collaborators, and maybe the finder know this for certain at this point) or that someone can't construct a puzzle that positively reinforces the correct use of an anagram (e.g. pick up any cryptic crossword). I approach anagrams with considerable care and skepticism.
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Post by indigojones on Jul 7, 2020 1:51:55 GMT -5
Hi Indigo, I will need to sit down and read your posts, you've posted a lot! Just superficially skimming them reminds me in the most general of ways of SB151 A Stellar Solution. I think I'm going to post something about SB151 and then try to find all your posts. Do you have a recommendation on where to start? One point. Anagrams are problematic in that there are too many degrees of freedom. I don't mean to imply that Fenn didn't use anagrams (only Fenn, his collaborators, and maybe the finder know this for certain at this point) or that someone can't construct a puzzle that positively reinforces the correct use of an anagram (e.g. pick up any cryptic crossword). I approach anagrams with considerable care and skepticism. Hi jeff, sorry I have posted rather a lot. My 'Just Amazed' thread may be a good place to start. Where I state where to begin. Then on to 'It's in the mix' which relates to forming the prism. Scrapbook 94 'The Phantom' which I believe was written by Forrest, has some hints in it. There are two words in caps: 'IS' and also 'NO MORE' put together we have IS NO MORE which may relate to the ghost town of Adelaide as none of it remains. NO MORE could also relate to Moreno (brown). Towards the end there are the lines: "looking through a prism of vodka raspberry and lime" Also the lines "how deeper then must I explore" quoth the Phantom 4-2-4 only this and nothing more" This is what made me think of Colorado being split into two groups of four and anagrammed as it is the only even lettered state. Doing so gives us 'LOCO ROAD' which Phantom Canyon Road is, formerly a railroad line hauling gold ore from Cripple Creek and Victor gold mines to Florence for milling. The reason I have skipped around a lot is because I believe we have two puzzles to contend with, suggested to me by the strange order of the poem's Stanzas. Stanzas 2, 3 and 4 hold the location clues and 2,3 4 add to 9. Whereas Stanzas 1,5,6 add to 12, the Zodiac puzzle, when you arrive at the circular cistern to confirm where to look and dig. I am currently trying to explore uploading some workings and photos but am not that accomplished at uploading stuff. indigo |
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Post by grlcansng on Jul 8, 2020 16:41:36 GMT -5
Forgive me if I’ve posted this in the incorrect location I’ve neither purchased his or any other books so I can’t really comment on the topic however it is my belief that the treasure location had nothing to do with “NORTH of Santa Fe” and for this reason it took so long to find. In fact it is my true belief that this could be the mystery everyone is trying to decipher here it was in fact found in the canyon down from the beginning point of Armijo Springs camp ground in the ”AGUA FRIA MOUNTAIN RANGE” agua Fria in Spanish is cold water where do warm waters halt ? warm water completely stops in cold water. Before I continue, I have a question for everyone. Notice forest used “warm waters” referring to the starting point, Why didn’t he instead use “Hot Waters?” “Anyone know where I’m headed with this?” So I post this question why did Forest use warm waters instead of hot waters? Does anyone have the answer to this??? I do what about anyone else?
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Post by sangre on Jul 9, 2020 9:00:16 GMT -5
To simplify the Nature of the puzzle:
1. The poem is a map. He gave instructions to use the poem as if were a road map to the chest.
2. The blueprint is challenging and he felt like an architect when constructing the poem
3. Get back in the box
4. Original poem title - “where the treasure lies” double entendre here? Is there a lie that we are supposed to be watching out for? Do coordinates lie in the poem somehow?
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Post by goldwatch on Jul 9, 2020 11:28:37 GMT -5
Forgive me if I’ve posted this in the incorrect location I’ve neither purchased his or any other books so I can’t really comment on the topic however it is my belief that the treasure location had nothing to do with “NORTH of Santa Fe” and for this reason it took so long to find. In fact it is my true belief that this could be the mystery everyone is trying to decipher here it was in fact found in the canyon down from the beginning point of Armijo Springs camp ground in the ”AGUA FRIA MOUNTAIN RANGE” agua Fria in Spanish is cold water where do warm waters halt ? warm water completely stops in cold water. Before I continue, I have a question for everyone. Notice forest used “warm waters” referring to the starting point, Why didn’t he instead use “Hot Waters?” “Anyone know where I’m headed with this?” So I post this question why did Forest use warm waters instead of hot waters? Does anyone have the answer to this??? I do what about anyone else? Yes, I have an answer. I have seen a few people say it or hint at it, over the last few years. I wasn't around in the early days, but I got the impression that some people did back then, too. I'm only responding because I didn't want to turn a...er... cold shoulder to you. |
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