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Post by indulgenceseeker on Jun 23, 2020 20:46:31 GMT -5
FF said the chest's location would stun folks on how easy it was to get to. To my knowledge, Forrest has never said that. I happen to ~believe~ it is relatively easy to get there, but Forrest has never actually come out and addressed the difficulty as far as driving or hiking. I stand corrected: Fenn Quotes page 2. “People will be surprised when they find out where it is.” I was thinking of this. |
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jun 23, 2020 21:47:13 GMT -5
To my knowledge, Forrest has never said that. I happen to ~believe~ it is relatively easy to get there, but Forrest has never actually come out and addressed the difficulty as far as driving or hiking. I stand corrected: Fenn Quotes page 2. “People will be surprised when they find out where it is.” I was thinking of this. I wondered if that was what you were remembering. ;-) People will indeed be surprised, I think: if my location is right, it's a forehead slapper. |
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Post by davebakedpotato on Jun 24, 2020 4:16:17 GMT -5
I stand corrected: Fenn Quotes page 2. “People will be surprised when they find out where it is.” I was thinking of this. I wondered if that was what you were remembering. ;-) People will indeed be surprised, I think: if my location is right, it's a forehead slapper. There are numerous quotes that imply it is/was not a strenuous, and certainly not a very dangerous, journey. I'm thinking particularly where he reiterates we didn't need to go where a 79 or 80 year old man wouldn't go, that he could go back and get it (up until recently), that he hid it in an afternoon etc. |
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Post by annie on Jun 24, 2020 5:11:06 GMT -5
Davebakedpotato it leads me to suggest NOT being a place in the huge lonesome wilderness, but actually a location where many families of all ages go for recreation. Accessible for all ages and skill level of walking. (No climbing, swimming, abseiling or water sport)
A gentle(ish) walk along a trail for example.
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Post by davebakedpotato on Jun 24, 2020 6:59:14 GMT -5
Davebakedpotato it leads me to suggest NOT being a place in the huge lonesome wilderness, but actually a location where many families of all ages go for recreation. Accessible for all ages and skill level of walking. (No climbing, swimming, abseiling or water sport) A gentle(ish) walk along a trail for example. Maybe as a starting point, remembering that at one time there was intended to be a corpse nearby! |
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Post by edgewalker on Jun 24, 2020 7:02:42 GMT -5
Davebakedpotato it leads me to suggest NOT being a place in the huge lonesome wilderness, but actually a location where many families of all ages go for recreation. Accessible for all ages and skill level of walking. (No climbing, swimming, abseiling or water sport) A gentle(ish) walk along a trail for example. Maybe as a starting point, remembering that at one time there was intended to be a corpse nearby! A corps(e) of discovery? |
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Post by annie on Jun 24, 2020 9:24:32 GMT -5
Yes my solve starts at a glacial lake and follows a creek through a location that would have many hikers passing. So yes the starting point for one at the car park as it were would be busy but keep walking the trail, when it crosses the Blaze,Which IMO is The Wilderness Boundary (anagram). You are into more remote location.
Essentially what i am saying is the start point in the poem, is not the start point of BOTG.
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Post by Apple on Jun 24, 2020 15:44:39 GMT -5
Davebakedpotato it leads me to suggest NOT being a place in the huge lonesome wilderness, but actually a location where many families of all ages go for recreation. Accessible for all ages and skill level of walking. (No climbing, swimming, abseiling or water sport) A gentle(ish) walk along a trail for example. Maybe as a starting point, remembering that at one time there was intended to be a corpse nearby!
Dave, exactly this has puzzled me. Fenn was asked if "the place of the treasure chest is the same as the one where you had previously plotted to have your bones rest forever" and he answered "yes it is" (Mysterious Writings Featured Question 6/14/14). In Ode to Peggy Jean he implies that he was going to commit suicide and "plotted to have my bones rest forever, in silent repose, beside the treasure chest" (p.143). To my recollection, the scenario is most explicitly written about by Douglas Preston in the Foreword to OUAW: "So he had worked out a plan: when the cancer came back, he would travel to a secret place he had identified and bring with him the treasure chest. In that place he would conceal himself and the treasure, and then and there end his life. He would leave behind a poem containing clues to where he was interred with the chest" (p.x-xi).
Numerous statements paint a picture of a not very remote location. The location is somewhere that an elderly man "about 80" could access in "two trips from [his] vehicle" (Safety First), "a sedan" (Mysterious Writings Featured Question 6/17/16), "in one afternoon" (Mysterious Writings Featured Question 6/19/14). Fenn describes players as having been within 200 and "lots of people within 500 feet of the treasure" (The Lure Post-Screening Q&A 5/18/17).
Based on Fenn's "two trips" "in one afternoon" and "sedan" comments, we can reasonably assume that the location is likely within 1 to 2 miles of a two-wheel drive accessible road. Furthermore, given his comment that "lots" of people have been within 500 feet of the location, we can fairly reasonably assume that it is likely within 500 feet of a road or trail.
I have worked with discovered human remains and they stink. I have come across the remains of large animals outdoors and the smell does carry pretty far. I'm guessing, but assume they often carry for more than 500 feet.
So how do we reconcile the probably not remote spot with a spot where his corpse wouldn't draw someone's accidental attention?
Based on my working theory of the chase, explained in other posts, it is my conjecture is that an understanding of where the treasure could be hidden will only be useful after solving the poem puzzle through a systematic method of extracting hidden information. So landing on a particular starting point wasn't my first priority in the chase; that being said, as Nkown and I have posted elsewhere, there are some pointers suggestive of the United States Air Force Academy or its immediate vicinity and, in particular, to the USAFA cemetery. I don't know how to necessarily reconcile that location with, for example, Douglas Preston's statements, but, again, a particular location was not my priority as I unsuccessfully tackled the poem puzzle.
Good point!
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Post by goldwatch on Jun 26, 2020 11:19:35 GMT -5
Maybe as a starting point, remembering that at one time there was intended to be a corpse nearby!
Dave, exactly this has puzzled me. Fenn was asked if "the place of the treasure chest is the same as the one where you had previously plotted to have your bones rest forever" and he answered "yes it is" (Mysterious Writings Featured Question 6/14/14). In Ode to Peggy Jean he implies that he was going to commit suicide and "plotted to have my bones rest forever, in silent repose, beside the treasure chest" (p.143). To my recollection, the scenario is most explicitly written about by Douglas Preston in the Foreword to OUAW: "So he had worked out a plan: when the cancer came back, he would travel to a secret place he had identified and bring with him the treasure chest. In that place he would conceal himself and the treasure, and then and there end his life. He would leave behind a poem containing clues to where he was interred with the chest" (p.x-xi).
Numerous statements paint a picture of a not very remote location. The location is somewhere that an elderly man "about 80" could access in "two trips from [his] vehicle" (Safety First), "a sedan" (Mysterious Writings Featured Question 6/17/16), "in one afternoon" (Mysterious Writings Featured Question 6/19/14). Fenn describes players as having been within 200 and "lots of people within 500 feet of the treasure" (The Lure Post-Screening Q&A 5/18/17).
Based on Fenn's "two trips" "in one afternoon" and "sedan" comments, we can reasonably assume that the location is likely within 1 to 2 miles of a two-wheel drive accessible road. Furthermore, given his comment that "lots" of people have been within 500 feet of the location, we can fairly reasonably assume that it is likely within 500 feet of a road or trail.
I have worked with discovered human remains and they stink. I have come across the remains of large animals outdoors and the smell does carry pretty far. I'm guessing, but assume they often carry for more than 500 feet.
So how do we reconcile the probably not remote spot with a spot where his corpse wouldn't draw someone's accidental attention?
Based on my working theory of the chase, explained in other posts, it is my conjecture is that an understanding of where the treasure could be hidden will only be useful after solving the poem puzzle through a systematic method of extracting hidden information. So landing on a particular starting point wasn't my first priority in the chase; that being said, as Nkown and I have posted elsewhere, there are some pointers suggestive of the United States Air Force Academy or its immediate vicinity and, in particular, to the USAFA cemetery. I don't know how to necessarily reconcile that location with, for example, Douglas Preston's statements, but, again, a particular location was not my priority as I unsuccessfully tackled the poem puzzle.
Good point!
Yes, the smell always made me wonder how his "bones" would stay there, "for all to seek", what with carnivorous animals being in abundance in the mountains. Now I'm beginning to wonder what else "bones" might mean. I know that bones is a term for dice. But that's not likely, no hints to that that I have found. I just looked up "bones" in the dictionary. www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/boneThere's some interesting possibilities. "Dollar" stands out, for one. And the gold coins are official US currency. So that's a possibility. |
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