Scrapbook 151: The Joke's on Us

[Apple]

Indigo's multitude of recent posts and Fenn's "canopy of stars" from his recent anticlimatic discovery statement brought back memories of SB151 A Stellar Solution. In parallel to SB49 Sweet Fragrances, where distraction or obfuscation form the bulk of the scrapbook, we can distill the following essential kernels from SB151:

1. Stars/constellations (overtly present): recall that the eye is an important symbol in TTOTC; Fenn's use of the star/sun and the name are closely related to this symbol. The eye is a symbol for the self; "I" the pronoun and "I" the Roman numeral one (which also bears a close resemblance to the Arabic numeral 1 and is an actual "I" in the font of TTOTC), are the wordplay.  Partnering, a key component of Fenn's game universe, of eyes/stars could yield constellations.
   
   
2. Mirroring (more subtly present as constellations found in land forms and invoked by Fenn's use of Perseus): recall that this is found throughout Fenn's game related writings (for multiple examples, see some notes at end of this post).
   

SB151 is a joke, and the collective we, Fenn's game players, are the butt of the joke. I interpret Fenn's comment of "some kind of genius" as the classic Southern/Texan polite way of saying the collective we of searchers are actually idiots. Always hoping for the best in people, I assume this is a good-natured jab at the collective us but it's impossible to discern Fenn's intention. The similarity of the diction in what Fenn quotes in the preface ("somehow" and "both cartoon characters at one") and what is written throughout the supposed letter (e.g. "reconcile those two extremes" and "I'm not sure exactly what that meant, but nevertheless...") suggest that Fenn (and/or his collaborators) wrote this entire scrapbook. The method described sounds detailed on the surface but exhibits no logical progression whatsoever. Ironically, the scrapbook is similar to many posted solves (include me in this group). The title of the scrapbook sets the stage for what follows; A Stellar Solution is anything but that. Examples of Fenn wordplay found in the story (caveat: I'm not an astronomer but was exposed to a lot of astronomy as I once upon a time dated a Caltech astrophysicist for a few years):

> Achernar is misspelled successively as "Arching" and "Archinar;" both errors raise the concept of an "arc"
> The above star "gets the axe" because Achernar is pronounced "ax-ernar"
> "Assume 'I'" describes altitude but it sounds like the beginning of azimuth
> The following "big jump" describes azimuth but "jump" would seem more appropriate for altitude
> "Sudden" could be "sun down" which would describe the azimuth of the sun (0 degrees, I think) from the First Point of Aries at the vernal equinox
> "Angetenar" is "the perfect place to put in" because it sounds like "and get in there," with the error "of, course" starting the sentence perhaps being an indicator
> "Pyxis" is "of course" because it is a nautical compass, in addition to a small box or "the chest."
> "Wezen" is "wise" because it sounds like "reason," as emphasized in its second use in the next sentence in addition to sounding like "region."
> It's "lapping," not "overlapping," because the stars described in the paragraph are mostly dog related (in Canis Major or Puppis >> puppy; Sirius is the dog star).
> This is "over thinking the solution" because the author is looking overhead into the night sky.

> The description of Perseus with a "sack" or purse because he's "purse-ious."

> "Mesarthim" is found in the non sequitur "mesa art" in the next paragraph.

After setting out the ridiculous sky solve, Fenn presents us with a land solve. In this alternate theory the land features are actually descriptions of the constellations Perseus and Aries. Note that instead of Medusa's head, Perseus in the scrapbook is carrying a sack full of gold. As Perseus used a mirror (polished shield) when he confronted Medusa, one can ponder the poem phrase "marvel gaze" (>> marble gaze). At the end of the alternative solve, the land solution begins to blend with the sky solution, reinforcing, along with the Perseus myth, the notion of a mirroring of the sky in the land. From there, the proposed solution devolves into something increasingly nonsensical.

Lastly, there is the misnamed book "A Walk Too Far" followed by an unnecessary addendum telling us about the program "Star Walk;" Stern's proposed solution was indeed a nonsensical, far too long, and imaginative journey.

In the comments to this scrapbook, "Forrestfenn" says "Stan, but if the Rangus Lona didn’t articulate with Micanthers the azimuth to Cassiopeia would be off, thus negating your hypothesis. Can you explain that for me please?" To which Reddigo responds "Well, there is that little sticky part." And then "Stan" responds "oh, yeah, the Rangus Lona. You are absolutely right sir. In fact, I think it’s probably a good thing you are." Who is Stern/Stan/Reddigo? My best interpretation is that they are all Fenn (and/or his collaborators). Forrest is talking to himself (or his collaborators are talking amongst themselves).

This is just one example of many where Fenn has almost certainly used personas (and/or of having collaborators) on at least Neitzel's site. Neitzel is also almost certainly a game insider (only tenuously hinted at in this scrapbook).

So what do you think? Hooey? Fenn poking fun at us?

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Notes for item (2) from above.  Phonetic reading, reversed writing, mirrored letters, and/or rotated letters are likely part of the solution:

> These reversals may cue doing the opposite of what is described/expected
>> For example, in TTOTC "Please Touch" instead of "DO NOT TOUCH" (p.109)
>> For example, in SB21, the "canon [sic]" points by convention west but "Punta del Este" suggests an opposite direction
>> For example, in SB107, the flight bearing from KAEG to KAFF is reversed
> In TTOTC, "I tend to use some words..." (p.4), "Your Hit Parade" (p.40), "wonder a little about his polarity" (p.49), and "reversed the image of George Washington" (p.113)
> In TFTW Seventeen Dollars a Square Inch Eric "usually scratched his name upside-down or backwards or both" (p.203)
> SB14 could indicate the need to turn letters (as Donna turned her ring) with the misspelling of her last name "e" instead of "a"
> SB19 shows a pond-mirrored "w" or lower case omega shaped tree (which also resembles Fenn's bronze jar's/bell's frog legs)
> SB47 outright says the clues are backwards in the French essay's "a l'envers" sentence
>> Fenn's "prowess and versitility [sic]" in his ultra-short story can tenuously be reversed to [the teacher] "tipped over with anger"
> SB49 provides lots of examples of phonetic wordplay with your multitude of puns
> SB99.5 shows multiple mirroring through pictures of you in all your bathroom mirrors
> SB107 may insinuate phonetics, reversed writing, and mirrored writing through "tee/tea cup," "send/bend letter," and "see you below"
>> The five dollar bill and bearing from KAEG to KAFF are also upside-down or reversed
> SB126 possibly implies phonetics and mirrored writing through the mirrored image of Stella Lake below Wheeler Peak
>> "Your effort will be worth the cold" phonetically yields "Mildew" through mirroring/turning (wheeling?) of some letters
> SB155 suggests reversed writing by contrasting "correct" and "right" "85% of the time," using the directional sense of the word "right"
>> Tenuously, "The end is ever drawing nigh" might indicate that the last stanza of the poem should be read backwards/leftwards
>> One out of six stanzas is about 15%
>> "The end is ever drawing nigh" read backwards/leftwards phonetically yields "reversed"
> SB177 indicates reversed writing or mirroring in the Pink Adobe doodle (in conjunction with the scrapbook title The Other Side of Eric)
> SB188 states that Fenn's use of language is intentional and not careless or an indication of being unintelligent
> SB207 suggests hidden information ("misplaced tradition") that can be systematically ("well-ordered") extracted ("unfolded" or "rearrange"), possibly in reverse ("by the tail" and "talisman" [>> phonetically similar to "tail's man"])
>> "Not far, but too far to walk" phonetically yields "claw" through reversal

> SB209 may suggest hidden structure ("armature") that is associated with mirrored letters ("f" to "t" in the two errors/typos of "as it" instead of "as if")

> SB211 overtly references a mirror in the metaphorical context of the poem puzzle
> SB216 discusses the discovery of etchings, which are mirror images of the eventual print
> MW Featured Question 7/1/16 suggests there is some kind of reversal through the metaphor of a "backwards" bicycle

[pb123]

Hey Jeff, enjoyed your write up.
Just a minor addition:
"Not far, but too far to walk" phonetically yields "claw" through reversal.
I spotted that a while ago after considering the mirror image idea and came up with:
Claw foot tub
Yet another bathtub reference. I didn't know where to go with it, maybe just a curious coincidence.
I'm currently looking at a star connection, not the astronomy type, but rather celebrities. Forrest did like to schmooze with them. Just a snippet of my reasoning:
"It's not who you are, but who they think you are" (something like that).
The vast majority of people would not want to live by those words. However, it's pretty much a requirement for an actor. Anyway, I don't mean to hijack your thread so I'll leave it at that.
Have fun

[Apple]

Jul 7, 2020 16:58:06 GMT -5 pb123 said:

Hey Jeff, enjoyed your write up.
Just a minor addition:
"Not far, but too far to walk" phonetically yields "claw" through reversal.
I spotted that a while ago after considering the mirror image idea and came up with:
Claw foot tub
Yet another bathtub reference. I didn't know where to go with it, maybe just a curious coincidence.
I'm currently looking at a star connection, not the astronomy type, but rather celebrities. Forrest did like to schmooze with them. Just a snippet of my reasoning:
"It's not who you are, but who they think you are" (something like that).
The vast majority of people would not want to live by those words. However, it's pretty much a requirement for an actor. Anyway, I don't mean to hijack your thread so I'll leave it at that.
Have fun

Hi PB, I and/or Nkown (with whom I collaborated) found that "claw foot tub" as well.  We also didn't know what to do with it, but I agree it could relate to the poem's "warm waters;" the discussions of Fenn's shower in TTOTC, SB99.5, SB116 Peek-a-Boo Art, and, more obscurely, SB227 Enter King Beowulf; and River Bathing is Best.

For anyone else that wants to follow along:

• "Notfarbuttoofartowalk" reversed yields "klawotrafoottubrafton"
• "klawotrafoottubrafton" can be read phonetically as "claw"
• "klawotrafoottubrafton" is plainly obvious as "foot"

On its own the transformation of the poem's "walk" through letter reversal to "klaw" and then as a phonetic equivalent to "claw" is not convincing of anything at all.  However, it became very interesting to me when viewed in the context of SB207 Absarokee Hut.  A key aspect of SB207 relates to a "claw hammer" found under he cabin.  "Claw hammer" is an unusual word choice.  It's ultimately the author's prerogative to use whatever word's he wants and so this argument is on its own not persuasive, but I think it's fair to say that most people would simply use the word "hammer" without further specification and imagine that common modern day type of hammer that we all have in our toolbox at home, a claw hammer.

However, when we examine SB207 a little further, there are additional points that bolster the argument that Fenn's use of the descriptor "claw" had a very purposeful intent.

Let's start at the end: near the conclusion of the SB Fenn states "sometimes you have to just grab a misplaced tradition by the tail and rearrange it back like it's supposed to be."  This "misplaced tradition" is the "claw hammer" found under the cabin--a "thank you token" or "talisman" supposedly secreted by the builder.  The "rearrange[ment]" is Fenn (re)placing "the hammer under the floor" of the moved cabin.  In this statement Fenn has modified the idiom "grab the world" or alternatively something else "by the tail."  This idiom essentially means to take control of a situation and, curiously, is related to the ironic use of the idioms formed from the situations found in Looking for Lewis and Clark ("take the horse by the reins") and Buffalo Cowboys ("grab the bull by the horns").  In the context of the story in SB207, this idiom is appropriate as Fenn took control of the situation (applied one of his conditions regarding his donation of the cabin to the Buffalo Bill Center of the West) by surreptitiously replacing the hammer under the cabin after it was moved.

Notice how Fenn described this "claw hammer" as a "talisman of sorts"  While not exact, this description phonetically cues "tail."  Notice that the idiom above describes grabbing this "claw hammer"--the "misplaced tradition"--by the "tail."  A tail is on the end or backside of things--think of your dog or cat or of an airplane.  Imagine grabbing something by the tail--holding on to its end or backside.  Now imagine grabbing this "misplaced tradition"--the "claw hammer"--by its end of backside, as Fenn's modified idiom suggests.  It is a bit of leap but let's do it.  We can grab "claw" by the end, by the "w."

I understand that it's a bit of stretch.  Hang with me a little bit longer.  Let's take a little detour.

SB207 begins with a discussion of Fenn's biography of painter Joseph Henry Sharp. It transitions to a story of the cabin that Sharp built and that Fenn donated to the Buffalo Bill Historical Center. Fenn notes that the "wonderful and fulfilling experience" nevertheless "consumed" him. Fenn describes his total immersion in the historical time, such that "present reality faded."  We may ponder if the "experience" can be metaphorically translated from "Sharp" to "The Thrill of the Chase," which took Fenn some fifteen years to create and has been released to the public for another decade beyond that.  Just hold that thought as a possibility, however fanciful, for the moment.

Here's a brief summary in case the SB isn't at the forefront of your memory.  Fenn purchased a cabin that Sharp built and it was moved to the Buffalo Bill Historical Center. He gave "two rules" for its move: (1) "they had to go pick it up intact" and, somewhat oddly, (2) "if there was anything under the floorboards, it had to stay under the floorboards." The remainder of the story relates to a "claw hammer" found under the cabin--a "thank you token" or "talisman" supposedly secreted by the builder. Several years later, Fenn is disturbed to find that his second "rule" was not followed; he remedies this infarction by placing the hammer back under the cabin.

Now let's get back to the possibility, however fanciful, that Fenn is metaphorically talking about his treasure hunt in his story about Sharp and the cabin.  The idea of something hidden, as represented by the "claw hammer" token or talisman in SB207, is raised in other Fenn writings, including TTOTC.  An overt example is SB209, in which the creepy fairy doll "Chaos" has her foot on a chest (a representation of Fenn's hidden treasure), is holding the book "The Path to Perfect Happiness" (a representation of the Fenn's treasure hunt the thrill of the chase as found in TTOTC), and has "the power to protect" Fenn (a representation of Fenn's poem puzzle).  Similar to SB207's description of the "claw hammer" as something magical--described as a "token" or "talisman"--the SB209 fairy doll "Chaos" has underlying "spring wire" "armature" as well as "silent fetishes" that "secret themselves beneath the understated colors" and "precious amulets."  In these and other instances, it's as if Fenn pulled out the thesaurus for "magical item" and was determined to use every synonym.

Not convinced?  I get it.  Fenn is always talking around the subject and so any one instance is only the subtlest of suggestions.  The aggregate makes the argument stronger.  Regardless of your level of doubt, roll with me for a little longer.

Sharp's "cabin" is metaphorically Fenn's poem puzzle.  Might the poem have an "intact" outward appearance but also contain hidden within it other items "under the floorboards?"  Fenn describes the discovery of the hammer as "well-ordered," a "footnote," and having been "unfolded."  To me, this suggests that there is a systematic way to extract this hidden content: after all, he does tell us that there were "rules" to his donation of the cabin.  I suggest this idea is explicitly addressed at the conclusion of the scrapbook in his modification of the idiom: "sometimes you have to just grab a misplaced tradition by the tail and rearrange it back like it’s supposed to be."  Perhaps this refers to a backwards or reverse reading or "rearrang[ing]" "by the tail" of the hidden content.

If that's the case, perhaps we are being asked to "rearrange it back like it's supposed to be."  "Back" could be another cue for "tail" or end or backside, although its surface meaning in Fenn's modified idiom is obviously not that.  The "it" and "misplaced tradition" is the "claw hammer" and by taking it "by the tail," or in reverse, the "claw" portion becomes "walc" or phonetically similar to "walk."  Could this be the reason why Fenn describes an ordinary type hammer as a "claw" hammer?  Could he have included the specific style of hammer because a reversal of it produces a poem word?  Maybe, maybe not.  However, at the very least it does make me very suspicious.

As anyone who's tried it can attest, a simple reversal of the poem doesn't yield anything sensible.  It isn't the solution.  However, I believe that reversals will be one of the "rules" or methods used in a systematic method to extract hidden information (a "well-ordered" thing that is "unfolded" from the poem, in the parlance of SB207).  I haven't discovered it, if it exists.  I suppose time will tell, if the finder or Fenn ever releases the ideal solution to the poem.

[pb123]

Hi Jeff. You have me tinkering with the reversals/switches/mirroring of the poem again. I was just looking at this line:

"Just heavy loads and water high"

Here on Mysterious Writings, Forrest said:
"The blueprint is challenging so the treasure may be located by the one who can best adjust. To illustrate my point go to YouTube – Smarter Every Day. f"

My tinkering:
Just heavy loads and water high
Just + AquaDuct
Adjust loads tons (lodestones)

I knew lodestones were magnetic, but looked it up and saw this:

Lodestone (magnetite) is used as an abrasive known as "emery", used as a toner in electrophotography, in fertilizers, as a pigment in paints and as an aggregate in concrete. Lodestone is used for its power of attraction. It's been used for millennia for amulets and talismans.

Curiouser and curiouser.

[annie]

Jul 9, 2020 11:50:46 GMT -5 pb123 said:

Hi Jeff. You have me tinkering with the reversals/switches/mirroring of the poem again. I was just looking at this line:

"Just heavy loads and water high"

Here on Mysterious Writings, Forrest said:
"The blueprint is challenging so the treasure may be located by the one who can best adjust. To illustrate my point go to YouTube – Smarter Every Day. f"

My tinkering:
Just heavy loads and water high
Just + AquaDuct
Adjust loads tons (lodestones)

I knew lodestones were magnetic, but looked it up and saw this:

Lodestone (magnetite) is used as an abrasive known as "emery", used as a toner in electrophotography, in fertilizers, as a pigment in paints and as an aggregate in concrete. Lodestone is used for its power of attraction. It's been used for millennia for amulets and talismans.

Curiouser and curiouser.

Sorry to BUTT in pb123      my search has an AQUEDUCT in it. Take the line = just heavy loads and water high. Rearranging makes HYDROELECTRIC STATION (add in CORRECT - another word for Just) 
Heavy loads are current or  ELECTRICITY &  water high (HYDRO). 💥 BOOM. 

[pb123]

Hi annie.
It's possible.
Water at high altitude - Hebgen Lake.

The dam is named for Max Hebgen, who was general manager of the Montana Power Co. and a key figure in the developmental of several Montana hydroelectric dams.

I don't like the idea of dams, even though Forrest only ruled it out for the first clue. That's not to say it couldn't play a part in the solution.

Thanks for posting.
P.S. Is Skippy throwing fireworks at you? <smile>

[Apple]

Jul 9, 2020 11:50:46 GMT -5 pb123 said:

Hi Jeff. You have me tinkering with the reversals/switches/mirroring of the poem again. I was just looking at this line:

"Just heavy loads and water high"

Here on Mysterious Writings, Forrest said:
"The blueprint is challenging so the treasure may be located by the one who can best adjust. To illustrate my point go to YouTube – Smarter Every Day. f"

My tinkering:
Just heavy loads and water high
Just + AquaDuct
Adjust loads tons (lodestones)

I knew lodestones were magnetic, but looked it up and saw this:

Lodestone (magnetite) is used as an abrasive known as "emery", used as a toner in electrophotography, in fertilizers, as a pigment in paints and as an aggregate in concrete. Lodestone is used for its power of attraction. It's been used for millennia for amulets and talismans.

Curiouser and curiouser.

Hi pb123, I too, like probably many of Fenn's players, had thoughts about lodestones when reading this line.  Close to when I started playing Fenn's game maybe two years ago or so, I looked at an area near the Red River aqueduct in NM that had a nearby something named or related to lodestones.

Another curious reversal writing: SB47.

Ladyv or Goldilocks, with their stated French language knowledge/connections, may have some additional insights into the French in this SB.

This 2013 SB is interesting to me because it raises several issues: (1) the subject of reversals, (2) probable invented stories, and (3) probable pointers to game collaborators.

In the comments, Chris Yates translates the letter as:

Forrest Fenn, an eccentric millionaire, has hidden a treasure worth 3 million somewhere in the mountains north of Santa Fe. He has cancer and this will be his legacy. One should read his book ‘The Thrill of the Chase’ for clues where the treasure trove is located. Success depends upon interpretation of the poem in his book which also has hidden clues. Perhaps the clues could be backwards (misleading?). Perhaps this is a joke and Forrest Fenn has hidden a lot of stale bread. However, if not, and I find the trove, I will be in heaven. Sincerely, Kate

The supposed author of the French homework assignment comments:

Your translation is spot on Chris. I wrote the story as an exercise for French homework where we had to use certain words, i.e. stale, to be in heaven, upside-down, depend on, in order to. Trying to weave them all into one story tested the grey matter. Note: ‘il a le cancer’ is grammatically correct.

Neitzel, supposedly through Margie Goldsmith, also provides additional background on the homework assignment in the comments:

For French homework this week, we had to write a short story using 5 new vocab words – rassis (stale), etre aux anges (to be in 7th heaven) a l’envers (upside down) dependre de (depend on) pour que + subj (in order to). Your story about Forrest Fenn was my inspiration……thank you!!

There are an unbelievably large number of pointers to the related concepts of reversals, mirroring, and turning in this very brief SB. I propose that "Peut-être les indices pourraient à l’envers" is a key sentence in the French homework assignment ruse.   Chris Yates, who was the first to comment on this scrapbook, suggested the translation of this sentence as "perhaps the clues could be backwards."   Thereafter, the supposed author Kate Wakeling and later Neitzel suggest that perhaps "à l’envers" should be translated as "upside down."  I don't speak French but a little Googling makes me understand that it might be translated as "upside down," "back to front," or "inside out."  Note that the supposed author of the French homework assignment is conveniently from Australia, the land "down under."  As an indicator error, Neitzel misspells "versatility" as "versitility," which derives from the Latin "characterized or obtained by turning."  Furthermore, there is an extra "in" in the phrase "turned in my novel in," which involves the words "turn" as well as "novel," which also means "new."  Contrast this with the adjective "prowess" used immediately before "versitility," which is derived from a Latin word meaning "forward facing."

Hilarious! Could it be that in this SB Fenn just comes out and says it pretty plainly: the poem is forward facing but the actual clues in the poem are turned around or reversed in some way.

Fenn concludes with an absurd anecdote about a supposed homework assignment of his own from the "8th grade:" absurd because what Texan teacher is going to ask teenagers in the 1940's to include "sex" in an essay?  When asked to "write a story" with the requirements that it "be a mystery" and include "sex" and "religion," he composed a one line "novel" in "8 seconds" similar to Hemingway's "for sale: baby shoes, never worn:" "My God, I'm pregnant, I wonder who did it."

I'm going way out on a limb here and I'm not so comfortable way up here.  I'm far from certain about the solution I've provided below, but I nevertheless suspect that there is something at least related to it to be found.  As we are told that Fenn "demonstrated his prowess and versitility with words in a short story at the bottom," with emphasis on the error indicator "versitility" misspelling, we might suppose that a reversed message will be found in his "short story."

(1) Short story: My God, I'm pregnant, I wonder who did it.
(2) Reversed without punctuation: tididohwrednowitnangerpmidogym
(3) One possible phonetic reading: tidid/ohwrednowitnangerpmidogym >> tipped (if d >> p) over with anger (after all, "the teacher fainted")

If any of the above post is an accurate reflection of the intent of this SB, then it implies that Fenn is ok with inventing stories for game related purposes (which we know from, for example, Skippy's Idaho plane incident and the statement that Fenn didn't go to college as found in TTOTC) and inventing commenters on at least Neitzel's site.  It also implicates others beyond invented personas as game insiders to one degree or another (e.g. Margie Goldsmith either played along or, less likely, was duped by Fenn).  In particular, it's hard to get around the idea that Neitzel, by virtue of his involvement in thematically key portions (i.e. "prowess and versitility") of this brief SB, would have to be some sort of game insider (I suggest in the most innocent of ways, not that this was a malicious conspiracy).

So, internet, what, if anything, does SB47 say to you?  Anything to see here?  Interested to hear additions, corrections, or problems with my thoughts on this one...

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The hammer was moved not once, but twice. I was the one who informed him of it moving. I was told by him that he and the curator dug a hole and shoved it under the foundation, but I was informed by the curator's assistant that they put it below the access panel in the floor beneath the desk. He asked me to let him know if I found anything else out, but the curator never got back to us, so he released SB207.

[Apple]

Jul 13, 2020 17:37:32 GMT -5 @ogitsumyw said:

The hammer was moved not once, but twice. I was the one who informed him of it moving. I was told by him that he and the curator dug a hole and shoved it under the foundation, but I was informed by the curator's assistant that they put it below the access panel in the floor beneath the desk. He asked me to let him know if I found anything else out, but the curator never got back to us, so he released SB207.

Hi ogitsumyw.  What, if any, puzzle significance do you place on the cabin or hammer or its move or his writing of SB207?  I saw in another recent thread you mentioned visiting the museum, talking to curators, and noting something like the Lorraine cross as part of a maker's mark on furniture in the cabin.  Do you think SB207 is just to point searchers towards the medicine wheel?

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Jul 13, 2020 21:24:18 GMT -5 Apple said:

Jul 13, 2020 17:37:32 GMT -5 @ogitsumyw said:

The hammer was moved not once, but twice. I was the one who informed him of it moving. I was told by him that he and the curator dug a hole and shoved it under the foundation, but I was informed by the curator's assistant that they put it below the access panel in the floor beneath the desk. He asked me to let him know if I found anything else out, but the curator never got back to us, so he released SB207.

Hi ogitsumyw.  What, if any, puzzle significance do you place on the cabin or hammer or its move or his writing of SB207?  I saw in another recent thread you mentioned visiting the museum, talking to curators, and noting something like the Lorraine cross as part of a maker's mark on furniture in the cabin.  Do you think SB207 is just to point searchers towards the medicine wheel?

I only mentioned it because he asked me for some info/help to create SB207 because he knew we were on-site and were going to try to get inside.  I definately think JH Sharp is a major hint to the wheel, especially considering where Sharp lived winters (Crow Agency) and Summer (Taos, NM).  The wheel coalition is based out of there, and the Wind River reservataion.  The hammer is the only thing not listed on the McKracken research inventory for Fenn/Sharp, but it is mentioned that it was originall found on the right side of the cabin door (the front door, not the two doors on the side that once contained the bedroom and kitchen which FF did not take, he only took the studio room).

I believe the Lorrain Cross is exactly what he tripped over near Mang Yang Pass in Vietnam at the special place. 

NOTE: If you transform the "special place" in Vietnam over to the USA, it puts you right on top of the wheel area.  His base in Tuy Hoa translates exactly to Kirwin, WY.  I did a couple videos about it.

[jdiggins]

Jul 13, 2020 22:04:06 GMT -5 @ogitsumyw said:

Jul 13, 2020 21:24:18 GMT -5 Apple said:

Hi ogitsumyw.  What, if any, puzzle significance do you place on the cabin or hammer or its move or his writing of SB207?  I saw in another recent thread you mentioned visiting the museum, talking to curators, and noting something like the Lorraine cross as part of a maker's mark on furniture in the cabin.  Do you think SB207 is just to point searchers towards the medicine wheel?

I only mentioned it because he asked me for some info/help to create SB207 because he knew we were on-site and were going to try to get inside.  I definately think JH Sharp is a major hint to the wheel, especially considering where Sharp lived winters (Crow Agency) and Summer (Taos, NM).  The wheel coalition is based out of there, and the Wind River reservataion.  The hammer is the only thing not listed on the McKracken research inventory for Fenn/Sharp, but it is mentioned that it was originall found on the right side of the cabin door (the front door, not the two doors on the side that once contained the bedroom and kitchen which FF did not take, he only took the studio room).

I believe the Lorrain Cross is exactly what he tripped over near Mang Yang Pass in Vietnam at the special place. 

NOTE: If you transform the "special place" in Vietnam over to the USA, it puts you right on top of the wheel area.  His base in Tuy Hoa translates exactly to Kirwin, WY.  I did a couple videos about it.

Hi, sorry but, who are you? You chat with fenn?

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Jul 14, 2020 8:56:40 GMT -5 jdiggins said:

Jul 13, 2020 22:04:06 GMT -5 @ogitsumyw said:

I only mentioned it because he asked me for some info/help to create SB207 because he knew we were on-site and were going to try to get inside.  I definately think JH Sharp is a major hint to the wheel, especially considering where Sharp lived winters (Crow Agency) and Summer (Taos, NM).  The wheel coalition is based out of there, and the Wind River reservataion.  The hammer is the only thing not listed on the McKracken research inventory for Fenn/Sharp, but it is mentioned that it was originall found on the right side of the cabin door (the front door, not the two doors on the side that once contained the bedroom and kitchen which FF did not take, he only took the studio room).

I believe the Lorrain Cross is exactly what he tripped over near Mang Yang Pass in Vietnam at the special place. 

NOTE: If you transform the "special place" in Vietnam over to the USA, it puts you right on top of the wheel area.  His base in Tuy Hoa translates exactly to Kirwin, WY.  I did a couple videos about it.

Hi, sorry but, who are you? You chat with fenn?

Who are you?   Top secret, sorry.

[goldwatch]

Jul 14, 2020 8:56:40 GMT -5 jdiggins said:

Jul 13, 2020 22:04:06 GMT -5 @ogitsumyw said:

I only mentioned it because he asked me for some info/help to create SB207 because he knew we were on-site and were going to try to get inside.  I definately think JH Sharp is a major hint to the wheel, especially considering where Sharp lived winters (Crow Agency) and Summer (Taos, NM).  The wheel coalition is based out of there, and the Wind River reservataion.  The hammer is the only thing not listed on the McKracken research inventory for Fenn/Sharp, but it is mentioned that it was originall found on the right side of the cabin door (the front door, not the two doors on the side that once contained the bedroom and kitchen which FF did not take, he only took the studio room).

I believe the Lorrain Cross is exactly what he tripped over near Mang Yang Pass in Vietnam at the special place. 

NOTE: If you transform the "special place" in Vietnam over to the USA, it puts you right on top of the wheel area.  His base in Tuy Hoa translates exactly to Kirwin, WY.  I did a couple videos about it.

Hi, sorry but, who are you? You chat with fenn?

He's "backwards."   
He told the story of his e-mails to Forrest up thread. 

[indigojones]

Hi all, I can't help but think that you are over laboring this far too much. Does all your hard work take you to a spot which is precise somewhere in the Rocky Mountains? If there was a revelation within 'Try the wheel' as has been mentioned it could only relate to the Zodiac wheel. You only have to think about Forest's comment made during his last six questions with Jenny Kile. He said, quote "I am almost umbilically attached to the spot'"end quote. This relates to his birth, he was born a 'LEO' and all signs of the Zodiac emanate from the center spot. Attached by the umbilical cord at birth.

indigo