Post by 0o The Puzzler o0 on Jul 17, 2020 9:36:06 GMT -5
I can't remember where exactly I read it, but supposedly JJP, when being asked about the painting after the Cleveland solve, said something along the lines of "and there is something with the Centaur".
The answer is The Cleveland Trust Company building.
The roof is the centaur's helmet and there is ornamentation on the sides of it that is clearly the tail.
Sure, the casque was found, but fully solving the puzzle is still fun, and maybe can help with future solves.
While it could be just a city marker to confirm Cleveland, I believe the significance is that the centaur is staring at the triangle-in-circle, which I think is an indication that the hunt starts at this building and the hunter is meant to follow the geometry, meaning up Euclid Avenue.
For this solution, most of the verse is site-specific to the Greek Gardens dig site. The only words that help find the general location within Cleveland, are "Beneath two countries As the road curves". This is extremely vague and doesn't seem enough to give us this specific area of Cleveland. To find the Greek Gardens with that word clue alone, one would have to be driving up that specific road and interpret the clues...but surely the puzzle directs us to that area first, and so it must be in the image.
So, the centaur shows us the starting point and directs us to follow Euclid.
This image clearly shows the roof/helmet. A closer look will reveal the scrollwork found between some of the rectangular and arched windows are a match to the tail.
There must be another part that tells us to turn up towards the Gardens, which means heading north near the museum. The key to this direction is the Bellflower reference in the image. Bellflower Road runs by the museum and takes us to East Blvd.
But wait, the Cleveland solvers interpreted the clue by driving up MLK Jr Blvd, noticing that they were "beneath 2 countries" "As the road curves" just past the Italian and Greek Gardens, didn't they?
Sure, but go to Google maps and use Street View to plunk yourself on East Blvd right at the solve spot. You are staring right the painting. It's exactly the image.
If you found the Trust Building, correctly interpreted the Euclid direction, and then used Bellflower Road (i.e. didn't miss that clue's significance), then it takes you directly to a place where you are staring at the Image. All that's left is to follow the verse to the casque.
This is why the solvers had thought the dig spot was on the wrong end to begin with--they approached from the wrong direction.
Not because they got it "wrong"--in fact, I think that Preiss may have been giving a double-clue here with the Liberty Bell and Bellflower reference, implying that either route can get you there. If using MLK Jr Blvd (formerly named Liberty Blvd), then the first 2 lines are required to find the gardens, and if you use the East Blvd route by correctly identifying that is passes Bellflower Road, then you get directly to the image itself and don't need the extra help of the first 2 lines.
The answer is The Cleveland Trust Company building.
The roof is the centaur's helmet and there is ornamentation on the sides of it that is clearly the tail.
Sure, the casque was found, but fully solving the puzzle is still fun, and maybe can help with future solves.
While it could be just a city marker to confirm Cleveland, I believe the significance is that the centaur is staring at the triangle-in-circle, which I think is an indication that the hunt starts at this building and the hunter is meant to follow the geometry, meaning up Euclid Avenue.
For this solution, most of the verse is site-specific to the Greek Gardens dig site. The only words that help find the general location within Cleveland, are "Beneath two countries As the road curves". This is extremely vague and doesn't seem enough to give us this specific area of Cleveland. To find the Greek Gardens with that word clue alone, one would have to be driving up that specific road and interpret the clues...but surely the puzzle directs us to that area first, and so it must be in the image.
So, the centaur shows us the starting point and directs us to follow Euclid.
This image clearly shows the roof/helmet. A closer look will reveal the scrollwork found between some of the rectangular and arched windows are a match to the tail.
There must be another part that tells us to turn up towards the Gardens, which means heading north near the museum. The key to this direction is the Bellflower reference in the image. Bellflower Road runs by the museum and takes us to East Blvd.
But wait, the Cleveland solvers interpreted the clue by driving up MLK Jr Blvd, noticing that they were "beneath 2 countries" "As the road curves" just past the Italian and Greek Gardens, didn't they?
Sure, but go to Google maps and use Street View to plunk yourself on East Blvd right at the solve spot. You are staring right the painting. It's exactly the image.
If you found the Trust Building, correctly interpreted the Euclid direction, and then used Bellflower Road (i.e. didn't miss that clue's significance), then it takes you directly to a place where you are staring at the Image. All that's left is to follow the verse to the casque.
This is why the solvers had thought the dig spot was on the wrong end to begin with--they approached from the wrong direction.
Not because they got it "wrong"--in fact, I think that Preiss may have been giving a double-clue here with the Liberty Bell and Bellflower reference, implying that either route can get you there. If using MLK Jr Blvd (formerly named Liberty Blvd), then the first 2 lines are required to find the gardens, and if you use the East Blvd route by correctly identifying that is passes Bellflower Road, then you get directly to the image itself and don't need the extra help of the first 2 lines.
