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Post by indigojones on Jul 23, 2020 14:53:00 GMT -5
Hi all, in the light of the recent reveal that the treasure was found in Wyoming, there is I believe a direct link.
That link would be 'Fremont County'. The geometry I followed in Colorado took me to 'Fremont County' where Adelaide was with its circular cistern and a Zodiac puzzle which suggested to me something was buried at the center of the cistern, a proxy item, possibly Forrest's silver bracelet. It is not shown within the chest picture, only on his arm, and he says it was wet when found. If it was in the cistern then it would have been wet because it does collect water. There is the possibility that the chest location was in with the bracelet taking you to the exact location in another Fremont County. Particularly as he probably could not find a suitable blaze to lead you to within Fremont County in Wyoming, it certainly seems a more beautiful area.
One further point which could be an aside hint from the Zodiac puzzle at Adelaide, that is that Forrest's birth sign is 'LEO' and there is a place called 'LEO' in Wyoming, not within Fremont County but nonetheless a hint.
This could be another reason for "the beginning and the end" reference from Alpha and Omega. It begins in Fremont and ends in Fremont, a possibility.
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Post by crm114 on Jul 23, 2020 15:18:04 GMT -5
First Grade, TTOTC, p. 16: John Charles Whatever waves the olive jar in Forrest's face. The olive jar is in the chest.
Is this a hint to Fremont Peak or Fremont County as a clue or even more blatantly, the chest location?
Fremont was called "The Pathfinder.". On p.17, he references Ora Mae, which is possibly an allusion to Ora Mae Washington, a pathfinder in her own right.
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Post by indigojones on Jul 23, 2020 15:54:11 GMT -5
First Grade, TTOTC, p. 16: John Charles Whatever waves the olive jar in Forrest's face. The olive jar is in the chest. Is this a hint to Fremont Peak or Fremont County as a clue or even more blatantly, the chest location? Fremont was called "The Pathfinder.". On p.17, he references Ora Mae, which is possibly an allusion to Ora Mae Washington, a pathfinder in her own right. Precisely crm114 that was my link also with the Colorado solution to the site of 'Adelaide'. Ora Mae is also a link I beleive. I think Forrest may not have been able to find a suitable blaze in Wyoming 'Fremont County' but did find a good place for one in Colorado. Regarding your chest location I believe that was contained within the cistern along with the bracelet when retrieved. From Fremont to Fremont if you wish. Remember him saying "I was going to make it work" suggesting he may have had some difficulty at first, either way I believe 'John Charles Fremont' is the link. In one of his expeditions he passed through Colorado and on into Wyoming. He did the Wind River Expedition also. I do believe it begins and ends with 'Fremont Counties' |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 18:25:25 GMT -5
First Grade, TTOTC, p. 16: John Charles Whatever waves the olive jar in Forrest's face. The olive jar is in the chest. Is this a hint to Fremont Peak or Fremont County as a clue or even more blatantly, the chest location? Fremont was called "The Pathfinder.". On p.17, he references Ora Mae, which is possibly an allusion to Ora Mae Washington, a pathfinder in her own right.
I remember that, totally forgot "pathfinder"! Good point...
BTW, speaking of Fremont county WY, that is where the 825 zipcode is (8.25 - 8-1/4 - etc). I was stuck on that county for 3 years, I think I know more about it than WY residents! lol JK
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Post by crm114 on Jul 23, 2020 20:15:04 GMT -5
First Grade, TTOTC, p. 16: John Charles Whatever waves the olive jar in Forrest's face. The olive jar is in the chest. Is this a hint to Fremont Peak or Fremont County as a clue or even more blatantly, the chest location? Fremont was called "The Pathfinder.". On p.17, he references Ora Mae, which is possibly an allusion to Ora Mae Washington, a pathfinder in her own right.
I remember that, totally forgot "pathfinder"! Good point...
BTW, speaking of Fremont county WY, that is where the 825 zipcode is (8.25 - 8-1/4 - etc). I was stuck on that county for 3 years, I think I know more about it than WY residents! lol JK
 There's a lot in Fremont County to learn about. There is a ton of history there. |
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Post by indigojones on Jul 24, 2020 1:17:08 GMT -5
I remember that, totally forgot "pathfinder"! Good point...
BTW, speaking of Fremont county WY, that is where the 825 zipcode is (8.25 - 8-1/4 - etc). I was stuck on that county for 3 years, I think I know more about it than WY residents! lol JK
There's a lot in Fremont County to learn about. There is a ton of history there. For what it is worth and IMO there is no point in researching the history of 'Fremont County' Wyoming. The main puzzle was set in Colorado to lead you to 'Adelaide' in Fremont County' Colorado and the circular cistern where the Silver bracelet was buried containing the exact location of the treasure chest within 'Fremont County' in Wyoming. The puzzle itself was not set in Wyoming, he could not make it work there hence another Fremont County location was required, a very clever twist to the puzzle. My guess is that the chest itself was by a pine tree in part of the Shoshone Forest that falls within Fremont there. Taking you straight to it. Let's apply some logic here, the puzzle could not lead you to a specific tree in a forest, you would have to have instructions to enable you to determine the correct tree. I take your point crm114 there is a lot of history there, not least that of 'Sacajawea' the Shoshone woman who helped 'Lewis and Clark' on their expeditions, which is most probably why the area is dear to Forrest's heart. I can clearly see the connection for Forrest to use two Counties bearing the same name to get you to where in the end he hid the chest. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 10:24:38 GMT -5
In my solve all the clues are in WY, some hints in Vietnam. Colorado played no part...
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Post by indigojones on Jul 24, 2020 13:26:03 GMT -5
In my solve all the clues are in WY, some hints in Vietnam. Colorado played no part... If I may ask, did all of your clues within Wyoming take you to a precise blaze at all? The puzzle was a geometry based one which took you to a place in Fremont County, Colorado, Adelaide to be exact, where the blaze was a circular cistern. In the center of that circle a proxy item was buried and with it the directions to exactly where the chest was hidden which I believe was in 'Fremont County' in Wyoming. There is no system that works on the Wyoming map, hence Colorado, that makes sense if the link was to Fremont. Whatever was buried in the cistern was retrieved in early October 2019. I was there in late September 2019 and it was not in the state it is in now, as Google Earth had updated its imagery on 10/7/2019 which clearly shows disturbance. Whoever it was knew exactly where to look as you had get in in some 7 feet down to do that. The retriever obviously waited out the weather and retrieved the Wyoming treasure in June this year. If it was by a pine tree in a forest you would have to be told how to identify the tree, the puzzle could not take you to one of many hundreds that is only common sense. You may try to prove exactly where the chest was hidden but at best they will be guesses IMO, because the finder was told where to go and look, but good luck anyway. If the real solution is ever proffered we will surely see the truth, hopefully. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 16:00:11 GMT -5
In my solve all the clues are in WY, some hints in Vietnam. Colorado played no part... If I may ask, did all of your clues within Wyoming take you to a precise blaze at all? The puzzle was a geometry based one which took you to a place in Fremont County, Colorado, Adelaide to be exact, where the blaze was a circular cistern. In the center of that circle a proxy item was buried and with it the directions to exactly where the chest was hidden which I believe was in 'Fremont County' in Wyoming. There is no system that works on the Wyoming map, hence Colorado, that makes sense if the link was to Fremont. Whatever was buried in the cistern was retrieved in early October 2019. I was there in late September 2019 and it was not in the state it is in now, as Google Earth had updated its imagery on 10/7/2019 which clearly shows disturbance. Whoever it was knew exactly where to look as you had get in in some 7 feet down to do that. The retriever obviously waited out the weather and retrieved the Wyoming treasure in June this year. If it was by a pine tree in a forest you would have to be told how to identify the tree, the puzzle could not take you to one of many hundreds that is only common sense. You may try to prove exactly where the chest was hidden but at best they will be guesses IMO, because the finder was told where to go and look, but good luck anyway. If the real solution is ever proffered we will surely see the truth, hopefully.
Of course it did, watch my videos if you want to know more.
But I need to ask, which blaze are you talking about? There is one that you "found"/"establish", and one that is physical. You cannot find the physical one without establishing the first one. There are billions of blazes out there, and only one precise way to locate the real one... Anyone looking for a physical blaze without having "found it", has an incorrect solve. Oh, and the process of doing this does not involve Colorado or ANY state at all, only THE POEM is used to establish/found it. The poem is not a list of clues that match any map location, it is a wirtten proceedure/process and a BLUEPRINT that must be followed to "found"/"establish" what we need in order to locate the precise physical location. I know, it sounds hard, and thats because it is hard. Once you have "found it", then you need a map of Wyoming where IT is.
When the poem says "Begin it", that does not mean look at a map and begin there until you have deciphered the true meaning and used it as a blueprint to construct a map. You cannot begin it where warm waters halt because the only place warm waters halts is on line 5 in the poem until you know what it means (have created the map in your imagination) to find its location. ALL clues are like that! Then, once you have decoded the meaning and know the PHYSICAL place to "Begin", you DRIVE there (which is why the little girl from India can't get closer than the first two clues, the other 7 clues are mapped on-site).
Anyone looking for a place WWWH was already failing, and this was done on purpose to throw off the people who did not take the time to figure out the POEM (made easier using TTOTC, but not required). It is 99.9% impossible to find any clue without solving WWWH - period.
In layman terms, the poem is a duality/dichotomy that is using a process called Steganography. There is no cipher and there are no tricks, the poem itself contains ALL the instructions needed to decode itself, but this ONLY works if you did not modify anything in the poem (can't remove spaces or punctuation, can't change or substitute words, and cannot expand contractions). The easiest way to LEARN how to decode the poem is to open TTOTC, go to page 22 and begin reading page 23. Page 23 is the ONLY place you will find "Forrest Fenn" (his name... MY NAME) ALONE in the book (remember stanza 1, "As I have gone ALONE IN THERE"  ) other than the title and copyright pages! This chapter is labeled "Jump-Starting the learning curve" because he TEACHES you all about "The Sliding Trick" which is what he did to implement the process of Steganography. I've done videos on this and discussed it for years now, but NOBODY wants to listen (except the finder). |
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Post by indigojones on Jul 24, 2020 22:23:51 GMT -5
Troy, I watched a lot of your videos and thought they made a lot of sense, especially where you, like me, explored the possibility of the proxy item. Well I believe that still stands, and I believe it was found in early October 2019. I had booked to go back this September until I checked on Google Earth, and noticed the disruption in the cistern.
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There's a lot in Fremont County to learn about. There is a ton of history there. 
) other than the title and copyright pages! This chapter is labeled "Jump-Starting the learning curve" because he TEACHES you all about "The Sliding Trick" which is what he did to implement the process of Steganography. I've done videos on this and discussed it for years now, but NOBODY wants to listen (except the finder).