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Post by indigojones on Jul 28, 2020 9:46:41 GMT -5
I have read searchers questioning the early NAU Car Park mentioned early on in the chase, and then later question the parking lot of the Denver Museum of Science and Nature mentioned by Doug Preston in the foreword of 'OUAW' and cannot make it out.
This is why they were both mentioned: If you pin NAU and place your protractor center on 'Four Corners Monument' intersection you will find that 40 degrees runs to it. Similarly if you pin the Denver Museum of Science and Nature and use 'Four Corners Monument' to project from you will see that it too is in 40 degrees. It therefore follows that they are both in a 40 degree angle which cuts through 'Four Corners Monument' giving a big clue to corners. Only two of our four states are relevant to 'Four Corners Monument' and they are 'New Mexico' and 'Colorado' the Rainbow State. It was a big confirmer to me that the puzzle was to be worked out and drawn on the Colorado map, based upon the BLUE 40 degree 'COLD' angle of the Rainbow. "Your effort will be worth the COLD"
If you have read my threads on the Rainbow solve then you know where it led me too.......'Adelaide' and the circular cistern.
Despite the announcement of the chest being found in Wyoming the puzzle itself was worked out on the map of 'Colorado' and it led to a proxy item buried in the center of the cistern itself, and I believe that item was Forrest's 'SILVER BRACELET' The whole puzzle was geared towards Silver and finding his bracelet. I believe the instructions as to where the chest was hidden/buried were in with the Silver Bracelet.
We were never looking for the chest only the bracelet that gave you title to the gold. Whoever dug up the Silver Bracelet knew where to go in Wyoming for the chest. So no blaze in Wyoming, only in Colorado.
I have seen the disturbance at the cistern on Google Earth which shows it was retrieved soon after I left in late September 2019 because Google Earth updated its image on 10/7/2019 and shows the trash in it had been moved to one side to access the center to unearth the proxy item. You can see this anomaly for yourself if you go on Google Earth and view 'Adelaide'
I have tried to imagine where in Wyoming would Forrest have hidden the chest, the only possibility I can come up with is it was probably in 'Fremont County' since 'Fremont County' in 'Colorado' is where 'Adelaide' is. It would be a clever link to use. All of this is purely IMO.
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Post by indigojones on Jul 28, 2020 12:30:09 GMT -5
I have read searchers questioning the early NAU Car Park mentioned early on in the chase, and then later question the parking lot of the Denver Museum of Science and Nature mentioned by Doug Preston in the foreword of 'OUAW' and cannot make it out. This is why they were both mentioned: If you pin NAU and place your protractor center on 'Four Corners Monument' intersection you will find that 40 degrees runs to it. Similarly if you pin the Denver Museum of Science and Nature and use 'Four Corners Monument' to project from you will see that it too is in 40 degrees. It therefore follows that they are both in a 40 degree angle which cuts through 'Four Corners Monument' giving a big clue to corners. Only two of our four states are relevant to 'Four Corners Monument' and they are 'New Mexico' and 'Colorado' the Rainbow State. It was a big confirmer to me that the puzzle was to be worked out and drawn on the Colorado map, based upon the BLUE 40 degree 'COLD' angle of the Rainbow. "Your effort will be worth the COLD" If you have read my threads on the Rainbow solve then you know where it led me too.......'Adelaide' and the circular cistern. Despite the announcement of the chest being found in Wyoming the puzzle itself was worked out on the map of 'Colorado' and it led to a proxy item buried in the center of the cistern itself, and I believe that item was Forrest's 'SILVER BRACELET' The whole puzzle was geared towards Silver and finding his bracelet. I believe the instructions as to where the chest was hidden/buried were in with the Silver Bracelet. We were never looking for the chest only the bracelet that gave you title to the gold. Whoever dug up the Silver Bracelet knew where to go in Wyoming for the chest. So no blaze in Wyoming, only in Colorado. I have seen the disturbance at the cistern on Google Earth which shows it was retrieved soon after I left in late September 2019 because Google Earth updated its image on 10/7/2019 and shows the trash in it had been moved to one side to access the center to unearth the proxy item. You can see this anomaly for yourself if you go on Google Earth and view 'Adelaide' I have tried to imagine where in Wyoming would Forrest have hidden the chest, the only possibility I can come up with is it was probably in 'Fremont County' since 'Fremont County' in 'Colorado' is where 'Adelaide' is. It would be a clever link to use. All of this is purely IMO. Here I would like to explain why I think the bracelet was the proxy item. The clues come from two words in the poem, one in Stanza 5 and one in Stanza 6. Those words are 'tired' and 'title', the give away is in 'tired' it shows two words in one. RED is the first rainbow color and if you take it away you are left with 'ti' which is the 7th note in the 'tonic sol fa' music scale, it is note 'B' so we know that the word 'title' with 'ti' removed should leave us with a three letter word, we have 'tle' which must be 'let'. We have a second 'ti' which is also 'B' so we have two B's as 'BB' Now relate this back to Forrest and his 'BB' gun 'Red Ryder' when he told us he shot birds with it. The letter 'B' is 2 in the alphabet therefore we have also 22 which relates to the number of beads in Forrest's Silver Bracelet. Now think of another word for two connected with shooting birds, answer a BRACE, now put BRACE before LET and you have 'BRACELET' as the title to the Gold. This pretty well confirmed it for me that the Bracelet was buried in the center of the cistern in Adelaide, Colorado. You must make your own mind up if this is the solution to the poem, IMO it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 16:07:09 GMT -5
The bracelet was in the chest which was in WY. There is no consiracy...
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Post by indigojones on Jul 28, 2020 22:18:28 GMT -5
The bracelet was in the chest which was in WY. There is no consiracy... I am not suggesting any conspiracy at all, merely the facts as they represented themselves to me whilst trying to crack the puzzle. I do not see the bracelet in the newly opened chest. The way it is presented I believe Forrest already had proof of its find, he said it was wet when found which makes it a separately buried treasure to me. Forrest supposedly took out the I.O.U and came up with a better way of knowing when the chest had been found and I think the bracelet fitted the bill. If this is so it was a very cleverly constructed puzzle by Forrest and I applaud him. There is a lot of mention of Silver as you work through the book, and the periodic table letters AG crop up as does the atomic number for Silver 47. It begins with Forrest's identity card where it shows him as 17 or AG, when he is clearly only a child, and there is a torn edge of a VIOLET stamp on it representing the last color of the rainbow. Then you see photos in 'Surviving Myself' showing Skippy and 'SILVER' and June and 'SILVER' but no Forrest and SILVER. We can assume the pony is 'Silver' though he never once mentions the pony in the chapter. In 'Looking for Lewis and Clark' we do have a mention of Forrest's horse called 'LIGHTNING' it has a white blaze arrow facing downward. The Native American Indian symbol for Lightning is engraved around the edge of the Silver Bracelet. On the clock face puzzle I used, it being circular, I placed the missing 'X' from the poem as 10 o'clock in roman numerals. I noticed there was no Indigo or Violet were in the stories relating to rainbow colors 6 and 7. Their initial letters together give you IV or 4 on the clock face. They oppose each other, if you now quarter the clock you have to use 1 and 7 which in the alphabet are A and G, AG is for Silver. Drawing up this clock face you will now see AG and also 4 and 7 = 47, both relate to the same thing 'SILVER'the only letter remaining on this clock face is 'X' and the clock face puzzle constructs it, the center of the 'X' would be where treasure was buried. To my mind you only had to find the circle on land to work this puzzle over it. Forrest mentions his being awarded the 'Silver Star' medal in 'My War for Me, and you can draw it on the Zodiac where its apex would be in 'Capricorn' if you do this tell me where the Silver is in that Star, it's in the center. I can only reveal the journey my mind took me on to this end. The big glowing star on the cover of 'OUAW' may have been a big clue to this. Just my thoughts, and IMO only. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 9:54:08 GMT -5
They aren't facts though, it is an opinion. The braelet was in the chest accoding to everything he has always said.
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Post by indigojones on Jul 29, 2020 12:27:50 GMT -5
There are several facts there, and as regards an opinion it could be the right one couldn't it? and regarding the bracelet being in the chest then it's obvious you haven't read everything he has always said.
Questions with Forrest 'December 14 2014'entitled 'Inside Indulgence'it reads:
"Are there any bronze animals in the chest Indulgence, or anything Bronze? Carolyn. Forrest replies:
"Nothing bronze at all Carolyn, or even SILVER. I wanted more expensive metals in Indulgence,that's why I chose Gold etc.
That one must have slipped past you I guess.
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Post by Apple on Jul 29, 2020 12:37:21 GMT -5
Also, consider TTOTC Gold and More (p.130):
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 12:41:06 GMT -5
There are several facts there, and as regards an opinion it could be the right one couldn't it? and regarding the bracelet being in the chest then it's obvious you haven't read everything he has always said. Questions with Forrest 'December 14 2014'entitled 'Inside Indulgence'it reads: "Are there any bronze animals in the chest Indulgence, or anything Bronze? Carolyn. Forrest replies: "Nothing bronze at all Carolyn, or even SILVER. I wanted more expensive metals in Indulgence,that's why I chose Gold etc. That one must have slipped past you I guess. The fact is the bracelet was in the chest. Assuming it wasn't means accusing Forrest of being a liar. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 12:45:12 GMT -5
BTW Indigo, why do you ignore the fact Jeff just posted? Or this one: dalneitzel.com/2012/10/02/forrest-gets-mail/3) Also, I could suggest Parachuting—that would take you back in time, however, I feel you would be too old (sorry) to make it safe to your final resting spot after that endeavor. I wouldn’t want you to commit suicide like your father but, I understand. You could draw-up a contract for us to sign stating that I couldn’t claim the Treasure. Doing it yourself would ensure that no one other than you and I would know the plan. Just a thought, I know you don’t know me or I you, I just feel a connection with you somehow. Maybe it’s just the long forgotten memories of my youth. Then again, you may want to choose a closer friend or not. Just think about it. No rush! I’ll go on with the remainder of my day either way. Forrest responds- I am a very simple person and you want me to have copious meetings with lawyers, preachers, undertakers and your family. What is wrong with me just riding my bike out there and throwing it in the “water high” when I am through with it? You don’t know how many man hours I have spent on that subject. Thanks for the input but I think you should mobilize your club and hit the trail searching for the wondrous treasure. Besides, I’ll probably get hit by a train. When you find the treasure please come sell me the great turquoise and silver bracelet that is in the chest. I wish now that I had kept it. f ---------------- Or this: dalneitzel.com/2016/09/23/scrapbook-one-hundred-fifty-eight/Here’s a long forgotten photo that I discovered in an old laptop. It shows the treasure chest at a time when I was still deciding what it should contain. The two round objects in the center are 300 year-old gold and silver hunting case minute repeater watches. They came out, as did the large gems. The gold coins and nuggets were removed from their plastic containers and are now residing in the chest beside the little jar that contains my autobiography. Months later, when the chest was almost full, I added two 5” round Pre-Columbian gold “mirrors,” the Tairona fetish necklace, and my revered turquoise row bracelet. Then I closed the lid, and that was that. Now the treasure is hidden in the mountains, patiently waiting…f ---------------- BTW, there is no problem if you believe Forrest is telling a lie, just say so. But you are trying to say its a fact that the bracelet was not in the chest, and that is not the case. |
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jul 29, 2020 13:09:31 GMT -5
Also, consider TTOTC Gold and More (p.130):
Hi Jeff -- what I always found interesting were the spelling mistakes on that page: Wetherill twice misspelled Wetherell, the Tairona and Sinu Indian necklace from "Columbia" instead of Colombia, and "Navaho" instead of the more common Navajo (though I believe both spellings are acceptable). |
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Post by indigojones on Jul 29, 2020 13:48:01 GMT -5
Forrest wrote the answer to Carolyns question I did not, it is there for all to see you have to make your own mind up. Why is it not seen in the chest if it was one of the last things added? Yes of course I have read and re-read the book several times and I have seen those statements you all talk about. So what do you make of the answer he gave to Carolyn in 2014, are you implying he forgot he had said it was in the chest? It was his puzzle, his rules,he was not accountable to anyone. It was not done through a publishing house who would have wanted proof of burial just as the Kit Williams treasure was witnessed, and also the 'Golden Key'. I have quoted what I have read to you from 'Questions with Forrest' so I will put it back to yoi what is your take on that answer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 15:13:55 GMT -5
What do you claim about everything I quoted directly? You have not provided anything that proves it was not in the chest. We showed 5 things and there are many more. Like I said, call him a liar if you want, but you haven't (and can't) prove that the bracelet was not in the chest. The chest (and its contents) were in Wyoming unless you or anyone can prove its a lie. Its getting old reading all the stuff that claims this is a hoax or the chest was not in WY. Your solve was in the wrong state, just admit it.
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Post by jdiggins on Jul 29, 2020 16:17:24 GMT -5
BTW Indigo, why do you ignore the fact Jeff just posted? Or this one: dalneitzel.com/2012/10/02/forrest-gets-mail/3) Also, I could suggest Parachuting—that would take you back in time, however, I feel you would be too old (sorry) to make it safe to your final resting spot after that endeavor. I wouldn’t want you to commit suicide like your father but, I understand. You could draw-up a contract for us to sign stating that I couldn’t claim the Treasure. Doing it yourself would ensure that no one other than you and I would know the plan. Just a thought, I know you don’t know me or I you, I just feel a connection with you somehow. Maybe it’s just the long forgotten memories of my youth. Then again, you may want to choose a closer friend or not. Just think about it. No rush! I’ll go on with the remainder of my day either way. Forrest responds- I am a very simple person and you want me to have copious meetings with lawyers, preachers, undertakers and your family. What is wrong with me just riding my bike out there and throwing it in the “water high” when I am through with it? You don’t know how many man hours I have spent on that subject. Thanks for the input but I think you should mobilize your club and hit the trail searching for the wondrous treasure. Besides, I’ll probably get hit by a train. When you find the treasure please come sell me the great turquoise and silver bracelet that is in the chest. I wish now that I had kept it. f ---------------- Or this: dalneitzel.com/2016/09/23/scrapbook-one-hundred-fifty-eight/Here’s a long forgotten photo that I discovered in an old laptop. It shows the treasure chest at a time when I was still deciding what it should contain. The two round objects in the center are 300 year-old gold and silver hunting case minute repeater watches. They came out, as did the large gems. The gold coins and nuggets were removed from their plastic containers and are now residing in the chest beside the little jar that contains my autobiography. Months later, when the chest was almost full, I added two 5” round Pre-Columbian gold “mirrors,” the Tairona fetish necklace, and my revered turquoise row bracelet. Then I closed the lid, and that was that. Now the treasure is hidden in the mountains, patiently waiting…f ---------------- BTW, there is no problem if you believe Forrest is telling a lie, just say so. But you are trying to say its a fact that the bracelet was not in the chest, and that is not the case. But the gold coins are still in the plastic |
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Post by indigojones on Jul 29, 2020 16:21:01 GMT -5
If you read my comments correctly you would have read that I believe there was a proxy item and it was buried in Colorado and with it the directions to where the chest was hidden in Wyoming. As far as my solve being in the wrong state there is no chance of that at all. The system was built upon Colorado and the chest was in Wyoming. I know what I have found and have not swayed from the wealth of evidence I have discovered within the pursuit of this puzzle and the rainbow clue from day one.
If I may say you seem to be a somewhat bitter man and enjoy hounding everything I say, I apply logic to everything I find. You will not sway me from my beliefs. Try as you may. It was not the wrong state for my solution whatever you may like to think.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 16:46:13 GMT -5
If you read my comments correctly you would have read that I believe there was a proxy item and it was buried in Colorado and with it the directions to where the chest was hidden in Wyoming. As far as my solve being in the wrong state there is no chance of that at all. The system was built upon Colorado and the chest was in Wyoming. I know what I have found and have not swayed from the wealth of evidence I have discovered within the pursuit of this puzzle and the rainbow clue from day one. If I may say you seem to be a somewhat bitter man and enjoy hounding everything I say, I apply logic to everything I find. You will not sway me from my beliefs. Try as you may. It was not the wrong state for my solution whatever you may like to think.
Me biiter, no. Its just annoying when people state things as facts when it is not a fact. The bracelet was in the chest and the chest was found in Wyoming, there is nothing to speculate about, those are the facts and you don't want to believe it. Its fine if you don't believe it, that simply means you don't trust Forrest. You have evidence the bracelet was not in the chest but it was in Colorado? Show it...
When you claim something as a fact (and not your opinion), expect people to question it. ALL you have to do is state "IMO the bracelet was in Colorado", that is fine, it isn't stating a fact.
Regarding your solve, you say "There is no chance its wrong", I disagree because you have no chest and can't prove anything. Same with me, and that is why I say IMO.
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