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Post by Jenny on Sept 14, 2020 11:56:46 GMT -5
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Post by Jenny on Sept 14, 2020 12:17:02 GMT -5
Surely it would seem, that if ‘MORE THAN SEVERAL’ had correctly identified WWWH, it should have at least been mentioned in the following list? Can we narrow WWWH down to being one of those mentioned? What do you think?
Madison Junction -24
Ojo Caliente Hot Spring- 18
Sinks Canyon-9
Thermopolis-6
Warm Spring Creek-5
Jelm Mountain- 3
Soda Butte Cone – 3
Colter’s Hell – 3
Wyoming- 3
Snake River – 2
Tower Creek- 2
Yellowstone Lake -2
Firehole River – 2
Tower Falls (near)- 2
Boiling River Hot Springs -1
The Big Hollow- 1
Devil’s Den- 1
Yellowstone Entrances – 1
Joe Brown Trailhead – 1
Little Bighorn Battlefield National Monument -1
Hot Springs/Park County Line- 1
Bighorn National Forest- 1
Warm Creek Picnic Area – 1
Granite Hot Springs -1
Cody Wyoming – 1
Sunlight Creek Ends- 1
Mammoth Hot Springs -1
Mud Volcano Spring – 1
Buffalo Bill Reservoir – 1
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Post by ruff on Sept 14, 2020 13:31:02 GMT -5
Here's how I see it.
How do you tell someone how to get somewhere? You start big and narrow it down. That's something I learned in 4th grade, and after all a child would be good at this. He also said "your destination is small, but the location is huge".
I firmly stand behind "where waters halt and take it in the canyon down" is describing Wyoming.
"Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts. f"
Forrest also mentioned in a news story that it wasn't in Nevada, Idaho, Utah or Canada, when they asked for another clue he winked and said “I don’t want to narrow the search area anymore."
This led me to believe that we should be the one to narrow down the search area.
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Post by Jenny on Sept 14, 2020 14:12:00 GMT -5
Here's how I see it. How do you tell someone how to get somewhere? You start big and narrow it down. That's something I learned in 4th grade, and after all a child would be good at this. He also said "your destination is small, but the location is huge". I firmly stand behind "where waters halt and take it in the canyon down" is describing Wyoming. "Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts. f" Forrest also mentioned in a news story that it wasn't in Nevada, Idaho, Utah or Canada, when they asked for another clue he winked and said “I don’t want to narrow the search area anymore." This led me to believe that we should be the one to narrow down the search area. Interesting ruff..... .... can you be more specific on 'what' is your WWWH and Canyon? OR specifically 'how' are you taking that to be Wyoming? |
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Post by goldhunter on Sept 14, 2020 14:53:29 GMT -5
My vote for WWWH goes to the Firehole River because of what Mr. Fenn wrote...
"Anyway, occasionally I’d ride my bike into Yellowstone Park to a spot about twenty miles from town where a seldom-used dirt road turned right off the main drag. From there it was about a mile down that road to the Firehole River. Just before the river, there on the right, was a green geyser pool which spilled and spewed a small streamlet of boiling water that ran downhill for about fifty feet and into the cold river. My secret bathing spot – where the hot water tumbled into the stream"
Also, look at the possible double meaning...
Firehole= warm
River= waters
(Even though it wasn't actually the Firehole River that halted.)
Not to mention there has to be a canyon down, and there is. Firehole Canyon.
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Post by bdalameda on Sept 14, 2020 20:55:09 GMT -5
Begin it where warm waters halt
Begin it, has the letters that make up the word "ignite" with the letter B left over. If you put the letter B infront of the next word where - it say Bwhere (beware). So you have the words Ignite and beware. So if you take these two words it is a warning about igniting something. When a cannon or an explosive is ignited the thing that is usually yelled out is "Fire in the Hole!". So I am betting this means the Firehole River. The other part is Where warm waters halt. Contained in these words, her ew arm ate. This can be interpreted as eating a ewe leg. This is a good description of a Sheepeater. Sheepeater Indians are known to have lived in Yellowstone. There are the Sheepeater Cliffs near Mammoth Hot Springs. If you say the words Begin it where warm waters, using your imagination can be heard as, "Big in knit wear warm waters" What is, big and in wool? A wooly mammoth perhaps? Mammoth hot Springs? Also Fort Yellowstone - the word halt stirs up military thoughts. Also the word halt is often spoken by a Guard when confronting someone. Well the town of Gardiner is just below Mammoth Hot Springs. Gardiner- Guarding her.
Just a few thoughts
Dan
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Post by Jenny on Sept 15, 2020 6:11:36 GMT -5
My vote for WWWH goes to the Firehole River because of what Mr. Fenn wrote... "Anyway, occasionally I’d ride my bike into Yellowstone Park to a spot about twenty miles from town where a seldom-used dirt road turned right off the main drag. From there it was about a mile down that road to the Firehole River. Just before the river, there on the right, was a green geyser pool which spilled and spewed a small streamlet of boiling water that ran downhill for about fifty feet and into the cold river. My secret bathing spot – where the hot water tumbled into the stream" Also, look at the possible double meaning... Firehole= warm River= waters (Even though it wasn't actually the Firehole River that halted.) Not to mention there has to be a canyon down, and there is. Firehole Canyon. The Firehole is a prime candidate... I agree... |
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Post by gnossos on Sept 15, 2020 8:03:01 GMT -5
Where warm (cool) waters halt (flow)
Creedence Clearwater Revival - Green River (album/song) Released in summer of 1969.
Imagery in lyrics include Girls dancing, Bullfrogs, Dragonflies as well as "Cody's Camp". All of these were used by FF.
He also fails to mention Green River soda in his description of his bottle cap collection. Green River Soda was the number two best selling soda around that time.
Green River Wyoming, the City of and the Body of Water.
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Post by ruff on Sept 15, 2020 10:25:01 GMT -5
Reply to Jenny....
Yellowstone has all the warm water and also the Grand Canyon of Yellowstone. Yellowstone is in Wyoming. Once I figured that out, I also thought that next clue would be a town or city. I thought maybe not far but too far to walk would be the other side of a canyon or river. Canyonside, which there isn't one in Wyoming so then my next thought was Riverside. I googled it and got goosebumps. Riverside Wyoming holds the record for being one of the coldest inhabited spots in Wyoming. I knew right away that my effort would be worth the cold. The cover of Too Far to Walk, where is he? On the side of a River! Riverside sits next to the Encampment river and the fishery there is dominated by Brown trout. Now I just needed to put in below the home of Brown. Let me know if you want to hear more. This poem gets way more interesting as we go.
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Post by northofsantefe on Sept 15, 2020 15:54:05 GMT -5
I don't know where WWH but I think I know how to figure it out based on his reply about the ingredients in a cake and the north pole riddle and shooting a bear. If you don't have information of walking 90 degrees etc and someone just asked you "What color is the bear" you'd have no idea. That applies to the poem. I think you have to figure out what IT is that he did tired, made him weak, and made him go and leave his trove. When you apply the IT from that answer to Begin IT and Take It you'll be able to figure out WWWH.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Sept 19, 2020 21:48:54 GMT -5
I still think the most in-your-face obvious, broad-area solution to WWWH is Yellowstone, and that some specific point on an associated edge/border of YNP is the precise starting point of the clues. I chose the border of the park, but it could have been the caldera boundary, a state border, or ?. But whatever it was, Forrest often mentions borders and "bouncing off the edges".
I've always rejected Ojo Caliente because the poem doesn't clearly identify it, nor is it ever mentioned in TTOTC. Yes, the "River Bathing is Best" story was on Forrest's website and then later in TFTW, but neither of those was ever mentioned by Forrest as being critical resources to solving the poem.
I always thought Madison Junction was weak (but better than picking some random hot/warm spring), just because the intersection of two geyser-fed rivers isn't nearly as "big picture" as recognizing that the ~totality~ of YNP is a better answer to the riddle.
Finally, in neither case (Ojo or MJ), are those spots something that would show up on Jenny's fictitious little "Indy's" map of the U.S. Rocky Mountains.
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Post by annie on Sept 26, 2020 19:52:12 GMT -5
My vote for WWWH goes to the Firehole River because of what Mr. Fenn wrote... "Anyway, occasionally I’d ride my bike into Yellowstone Park to a spot about twenty miles from town where a seldom-used dirt road turned right off the main drag. From there it was about a mile down that road to the Firehole River. Just before the river, there on the right, was a green geyser pool which spilled and spewed a small streamlet of boiling water that ran downhill for about fifty feet and into the cold river. My secret bathing spot – where the hot water tumbled into the stream" Also, look at the possible double meaning... Firehole= warm River= waters (Even though it wasn't actually the Firehole River that halted.) Not to mention there has to be a canyon down, and there is. Firehole Canyon. How does Firehole= warm? That sounds like something HOT... |
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Post by goldhunter on Sept 26, 2020 22:30:04 GMT -5
My vote for WWWH goes to the Firehole River because of what Mr. Fenn wrote... "Anyway, occasionally I’d ride my bike into Yellowstone Park to a spot about twenty miles from town where a seldom-used dirt road turned right off the main drag. From there it was about a mile down that road to the Firehole River. Just before the river, there on the right, was a green geyser pool which spilled and spewed a small streamlet of boiling water that ran downhill for about fifty feet and into the cold river. My secret bathing spot – where the hot water tumbled into the stream" Also, look at the possible double meaning... Firehole= warm River= waters (Even though it wasn't actually the Firehole River that halted.) Not to mention there has to be a canyon down, and there is. Firehole Canyon. How does Firehole= warm? That sounds like something HOT... Well...it's a fire HOLE! Not solid fire. Therefore, it's warm because it's not solid fire. haha I don't know. |
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Post by reedrandall on Oct 4, 2020 7:06:57 GMT -5
Jenny
Looks like you missed one on your list. Is it possible to add the Flaming George (Burns) Reservoir to the list? It is close by the Red Canyon that Fenn and Donnie traveled up and it leads to the Green River.
That was one of my solves because Fenn mentioned how Green the water was, and that it was a different type of Green. So really all 3 of those landmarks were hinted to in TTOTC.
I would definitely think Fenn had hinted to everything about the poem in his book.
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Post by indigojones on Dec 31, 2020 11:08:47 GMT -5
I am sorry but there is a lack of preciseness in any of these comments. Even now, at this late stage, everyone is just guessing at "where warm waters halt"
Didn't Forrest say in his poem intro that the clues "if followed precisely will lead to the end of my rainbow and the treasure"?
Wouldn't you all be better off looking for the means by which you could discover that preciseness? Forrest obviously placed the means by which to do that within his hints and clues. He certainly would not have created a guessing game. There will be a way, Forrest's way which he discovered and placed in there for all to find. Look for his system IMO.
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