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Post by jonsey1 on Nov 7, 2020 9:17:27 GMT -5
I wont be getting out there (and haven't 100% tied up my solve so not boring everyone with a long post yet) but I think the key is in a book. I would guess Jesop library first but could be off on that. Specifically the book has no isbn but is
C. Richard K Lunt Jones Tracy: Tall-Tale Teller from Mount Desert Island NORRTHEAST FOLKLORE X:1968
If not possibly by or 40p south of his grave.
Throwing it to the wind because I wont be going, hope someone may have a fun destination for an afternoon and share half or a third if its there. Cheers!
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Post by thisjustin on Nov 9, 2020 10:30:26 GMT -5
I wont be getting out there (and haven't 100% tied up my solve so not boring everyone with a long post yet) but I think the key is in a book. I would guess Jesop library first but could be off on that. Specifically the book has no isbn but is C. Richard K Lunt Jones Tracy: Tall-Tale Teller from Mount Desert Island NORRTHEAST FOLKLORE X:1968 If not possibly by or 40p south of his grave. Throwing it to the wind because I wont be going, hope someone may have a fun destination for an afternoon and share half or a third if its there. Cheers! Nice of you to share jonesy1. Thanks! The key being in a book wouldn't agree with Pel's indication that the key is accessible 24/7. And other's would argue the solution uses information "outside the book." I've never really agreed with that latter point though. After all, one of the first clues ever discovered (C MASQUERADE HINT) immediately takes you out of the book. Lastly, After staring at that darn ISBN number for a year now, I have come to agree with you that the last number is a 6 and not an 8. Whether it matters or not is still a question unresolved.
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Post by jonsey1 on Nov 9, 2020 23:16:58 GMT -5
I'm on MDI and will look, but a worldcat search tells me the nearest copy is in Bangor. If anyone else has a solve they'd like me to check, I truly just want this thing solved and will search your spot without any need of a share in the findings. Eos Aw thank you!! There IS one at Jesop if you truly are nearby. Its in the special section- I checked their online catalog. Good luck!
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Post by jonsey1 on Nov 9, 2020 23:26:37 GMT -5
I wont be getting out there (and haven't 100% tied up my solve so not boring everyone with a long post yet) but I think the key is in a book. I would guess Jesop library first but could be off on that. Specifically the book has no isbn but is C. Richard K Lunt Jones Tracy: Tall-Tale Teller from Mount Desert Island NORRTHEAST FOLKLORE X:1968 If not possibly by or 40p south of his grave. Throwing it to the wind because I wont be going, hope someone may have a fun destination for an afternoon and share half or a third if its there. Cheers! Nice of you to share jonesy1. Thanks! The key being in a book wouldn't agree with Pel's indication that the key is accessible 24/7. And other's would argue the solution uses information "outside the book." I've never really agreed with that latter point though. After all, one of the first clues ever discovered (C MASQUERADE HINT) immediately takes you out of the book. Lastly, After staring at that darn ISBN number for a year now, I have come to agree with you that the last number is a 6 and not an 8. Whether it matters or not is still a question unresolved. Hmm. I wasn't aware he said it was accessible 24/7. Maybe makes South of the grave more likely....I didnt use anything but the book in my master riddle/solve so not sure why you're saying I did or needed to. The master riddle (in my solution, that admittedly I didn't entirely complete, yet) gave me "Jones Tracy" "Northeast" and "Tall Tail" among a few other things...I did have to Google it, but if I had more knowledge of Mount Desert history I wouldn't have had to...plus I still am missing 3 parts of my riddle so I have no clue really- just with time running out I figured I'd throw one to the wind and guess based on things I believe I do have correct. Who knows though!
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Post by pumalion on Nov 10, 2020 8:50:22 GMT -5
... one of the first clues ever discovered (C MASQUERADE HINT) immediately takes you out of the book. This could be deceptive, though. One of the featured characters in Fandango's travels is named Harley Quinn. A harlequin is a traditional character in a pantomime and would be commonly found in a masquerade party or ball. Granted, knowledge of pantomimes comes from outside of the book, but the inclusion of a "harlequin" in the book might address whether the answer to the "C MASQUERADE HINT" clue refers to something "within" the book.
Each reader is going to have to draw the line somewhere about what is in or outside of the book: questions about how a compass works, who are Adam and Eve, the order of symbols on a horoscope, what is an ISBN, etc. each requires a decision about whether potential background information is relevant to solving the master riddle or the hunt as a whole. Maybe the imprecision about where to draw that line is one of the things that has stumped us.
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Post by ronemund on Nov 10, 2020 9:03:42 GMT -5
... one of the first clues ever discovered (C MASQUERADE HINT) immediately takes you out of the book.
Or it's just a joke red herring
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Post by astree on Nov 10, 2020 9:24:53 GMT -5
The key being in a book wouldn't agree with Pel's indication that the key is accessible 24/7. And other's would argue the solution uses information "outside the book." I've never really agreed with that latter point though. After all, one of the first clues ever discovered (C MASQUERADE HINT) immediately takes you out of the book. Our solution doesnt go outside the book wihile using that grid code, does not rely on knowing about Kit Williams puzzle.
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Post by thisjustin on Nov 10, 2020 11:02:02 GMT -5
Hmm. I wasn't aware he said it was accessible 24/7. Maybe makes South of the grave more likely....I didnt use anything but the book in my master riddle/solve so not sure why you're saying I did or needed to. The master riddle (in my solution, that admittedly I didn't entirely complete, yet) gave me "Jones Tracy" "Northeast" and "Tall Tail" among a few other things...I did have to Google it, but if I had more knowledge of Mount Desert history I wouldn't have had to...plus I still am missing 3 parts of my riddle so I have no clue really- just with time running out I figured I'd throw one to the wind and guess based on things I believe I do have correct. Who knows though! Sorry, jonsey1, on my first read I was thinking that if you had a book title you would have had to Google that to identify it. That, and understanding how ISBN numbers work to identify that the last digit would have to be a 6. But even if you did, I think that is perfectly acceptable. I agree with pumalion that you have to draw the line somewhere at what constitutes "outside the book" and what one person thinks is common knowledge may not be the same for everyone. Your solve certainly sounds promising if all those words were identified and there is a book sitting in the Jessup library with that title. I also like that it fits with some of the border phrases like "All in a Name" and "A Tale to Tell" (which happens to be on the page where I assume you worked out Jones). With regards to the "accessible 24/7," it could still work with your solve. Maybe the riddle leads you to the book and within the book is not a key, but a message or final clue that takes you to the key. And one of my original (partial) solutions also led me to the Jessup Library, so that would be great if I was on the right track at one point! I do wonder if it would be a bit risky to put the key/clue in a book and expect the book to sit untouched on a library shelf for up to 13 years. But I am excited to see if you are correct!
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Post by poe67 on Nov 11, 2020 10:51:57 GMT -5
I wont be getting out there (and haven't 100% tied up my solve so not boring everyone with a long post yet) but I think the key is in a book. I would guess Jesop library first but could be off on that. Specifically the book has no isbn but is C. Richard K Lunt Jones Tracy: Tall-Tale Teller from Mount Desert Island NORRTHEAST FOLKLORE X:1968 If not possibly by or 40p south of his grave. Throwing it to the wind because I wont be going, hope someone may have a fun destination for an afternoon and share half or a third if its there. Cheers! So I went to the Hillside Cemetery to check Jones Tracy's grave. I found nothing pacing 40 south of the tombstone/grave site. www.findagrave.com/memorial/79694286/jones-tracyPoe
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Post by maskerade on Nov 11, 2020 16:20:26 GMT -5
It's very disrespectful to visit and search near a gravestone as part of a treasure hunt. I would hope that you didn't actually do this.
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Post by searcher1991 on Nov 11, 2020 20:59:29 GMT -5
Would love to know how you arrived at your solution!
Since you don’t seem to care about anyone else searching your spot, I’d be interested to see how you got these words. Maybe you’re close and someone can expand on it before the time is up.
Thanks.
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Post by jonsey1 on Nov 12, 2020 20:04:34 GMT -5
... one of the first clues ever discovered (C MASQUERADE HINT) immediately takes you out of the book. This could be deceptive, though. One of the featured characters in Fandango's travels is named Harley Quinn. A harlequin is a traditional character in a pantomime and would be commonly found in a masquerade party or ball. Granted, knowledge of pantomimes comes from outside of the book, but the inclusion of a "harlequin" in the book might address whether the answer to the "C MASQUERADE HINT" clue refers to something "within" the book.
Each reader is going to have to draw the line somewhere about what is in or outside of the book: questions about how a compass works, who are Adam and Eve, the order of symbols on a horoscope, what is an ISBN, etc. each requires a decision about whether potential background information is relevant to solving the master riddle or the hunt as a whole. Maybe the imprecision about where to draw that line is one of the things that has stumped us.
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Post by jonsey1 on Nov 12, 2020 20:08:56 GMT -5
This could be deceptive, though. One of the featured characters in Fandango's travels is named Harley Quinn. A harlequin is a traditional character in a pantomime and would be commonly found in a masquerade party or ball. Granted, knowledge of pantomimes comes from outside of the book, but the inclusion of a "harlequin" in the book might address whether the answer to the "C MASQUERADE HINT" clue refers to something "within" the book.
Each reader is going to have to draw the line somewhere about what is in or outside of the book: questions about how a compass works, who are Adam and Eve, the order of symbols on a horoscope, what is an ISBN, etc. each requires a decision about whether potential background information is relevant to solving the master riddle or the hunt as a whole. Maybe the imprecision about where to draw that line is one of the things that has stumped us.
I totally agree with most all of this...the thing about the "c masquerade hint" , to me, (and I was not follower of Masquerade )...but when I researched what I could it seemed that the puzzle squares in Masquerade revealed something to the effect of 'No Hint Here' and was essentially a red herring. (Correct me if I'm wrong as I totally could be its just what I found on google)...but given that, and given that Pel said he included tons of red herrings, I personally assumed it was an outside the book red herring and fun nod to Masquerade...then again maybe it DOES matter and is part of the reason I can't complete my solve lol.
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Post by thisjustin on Nov 13, 2020 9:50:05 GMT -5
I totally agree with most all of this...the thing about the "c masquerade hint" , to me, (and I was not follower of Masquerade )...but when I researched what I could it seemed that the puzzle squares in Masquerade revealed something to the effect of 'No Hint Here' and was essentially a red herring. (Correct me if I'm wrong as I totally could be its just what I found on google)...but given that, and given that Pel said he included tons of red herrings, I personally assumed it was an outside the book red herring and fun nod to Masquerade...then again maybe it DOES matter and is part of the reason I can't complete my solve lol. This may be absolutely correct. There certainly are many red herrings throughout the book. Too many perhaps, which may be why this hunt is still unsolved. To me, the c masquerade hint does seem relevant. The Masquerade hint that was printed in the newspaper involved folding the page. I am convinced (or at least I have convinced myself which is always dangerous) that the six pages that are folded to form red/yellow compass roses are critical to the solution. I'm curious if those pages played into your solution in any way? I think everyone would love for you to share how you discovered the words you found if you are willing. Completely understand if you would rather not, however. In any case, thanks for adding some new life to the discussion as we have less than two weeks to go!
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Post by thisjustin on Nov 13, 2020 10:06:52 GMT -5
One of the reasons I always liked the Jesup Library was the date it was founded: August 30, 1911. 19 is the Camera page and 11 is the Key page. The first four numbers on the camera lens add to 19, the last three add to 11. The small hands on the pocket watch on p. 11 point to Wednesday and August. Extend both of them and they hit the 6, or 30 minute mark. August 30, 1911 was a Wednesday. Also, on p. 30 Harley sits with all his books (a library? "open the door, step inside"). The Treasure Island book w/ the name D.C. Wyeth speaks to a specific edition that was published in 1911. Outside the library, the arch at the entrance has a pattern reminiscent of the marking on the rock on the cover. Inside is a mural that includes lots of items referenced in the book including the Wabanaki, a sextant, compass rose, three raspberries, wheat sheaths, bees, a schooner, etc. Then if you want a GPS use the numbers on the bridge on p. 32 - i.e. 12 23 W. And then if the Camera page is important then reflect them to 23 12. 44 23' 12"N, 68 12' 23" W puts you at the back corner of the library. Don't like the numbers on the bridge? Use the two dice ("To Deicy"?) on p. 45 that sum to 12 and pair them with the 23 seen on the dolphin head on p. 7 (both illustrations also have POI symbols). Of course much of that requires knowledge outside the book so who knows!
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