Post by whoknows on Nov 29, 2020 14:18:47 GMT -5
As I have gone alone in there
And with my treasures bold,
I can keep my secret where,
And hint of riches new and old.
Not a direction but explains that treasure location is well enough hidden that one can go alone "in there" without being disturbed by people.
Bold means that the way in from the car to the spot could be expected to be observable by many people but if one just walks there not worrying about observers, it won't raise any suspicions.
Maybe walking across an open space near a well traveled road that leads to woods -- you are bold in the open space, but alone from others and not in the position of being observed once in the woods and at the "spot". Bold also may have something to do with wildlife dangers such as a high number of Grizzlies or say mountain lions.
The area I am thinking of has all of these plus also a resort on high ground nearby. Luckily the area is such that one could easily take a little walk into the woods with a backpack and nobody observing would blink their eyes. There is too much to see there plus it would not be unusual for someone to take a side walk off of a main road.
The spot itself is isolated, as most people are not going to want to walk in swampy/cold/wet areas,yet it is not far from a main road. it consists of medows and woods/trees.
Tie these together with the idea that the spot was close enough to the car parking stop for an 80 year old to make two car trips back and forth between the spot and the parked car. It sees that the spot where he hid the treasure was close to a major road, but not that far away, in the woods, in a generally flat and wet area.
Begin it where warm waters halt
And take it in the canyon down,
Not far, but too far to walk.
Put in below the home of Brown.
Like the rest of the poem, the sentences and clues need to be read together and not in isolation. Fenn seems to say this at the end of the poem when he says to "hear me all and listen good." Listen carefully to all he says as if he is reading to poem to you.
In this case I think the above must also be read with home of Brown -- in other words you are to begin a short journey headed toward the home of Brown. Fenn mentioned that the Finder was the only one who correctly identified the correct "home of Brown, thus this would suggest ruling out most publically known solves.
With the help of hindsight that the spot it in Wyoming, one has to consider that hot springs, places where water disappears and reappears, are many. It looks like an amazing state. But in the general sense and for the first clue to be of any use, there can only one "where warm waters halt," which I believe is the boundary of the Yellowstone geothermal area -- the largest such area in the world. This seems to be the only interpretation of what otherwise would seem to be reference to numerous places, such that the start is one singular place (or at least an area.
Considering the vast number of highly credible beginnings, if the beginning is in the Yellowstone geothermal area, now one has narrowed down the possibilities of this "not far" trip considerably. There are only five entrances to Yellowstone. If the spot where Fenn hid the treasure was outside the park in its entirety, then there are only five routes instead of millions. If this theory works, one of the five ways out must lead to the "home of Brown."
The "home of Brown" phrase must be something new because Fenn said that nobody but the finder ever correctly identified the home of "Brown.".
How about the "home of Brown" referring to the University of Wyoming? Brown is one of its main official colors and "home" works more like origin, rather than a house structure. Note this is a university color; the state colors are different. Let's try this to see.
But the university as completely across the state. A dead end?
But, would the University of Wyoming have field stations or some other physical presence somewhere "not far" from the edge of the Yellowstone geothermal area, if we were to travel to "home of Brown? from Yellowstone"
Yes, the University of Wyoming does in fact have a joint research field station with the National Park Service about 20 miles south of Yellowstone off of US 89/191/237 on Amk Road in Grand Teton National Park (http://www.uwyo.edu/uwnps/). It was a historical lodge from the late 1880s or early 1900s. It has one of the most elaborate rustic structures in the area and on the National Register of Historic Places. It looks like some of the main buildings are also brown.
The University of Wyoming/National Park Service Research Center formed and moved to the AMK Ranch in 1977. The AMK Ranch serves as a research facility for social, physical and biological sciences. The Center promotes excellence in research by furnishing housing, laboratory space, transportation, equipment and financial support for scientists.
From a Google satellite view, the Lewis River that one follows down to the field station (downstream and also south) by driving south on US 89/191/237 has a "canyon", although the road is mostly on the top and side of the canyon. Maybe "take it in" is not meant to be literal or maybe it refers to taking in a nice view of the canyon while traveling down along side it. Maybe it means that this portion of the drove is not going to have any immediate clues. (See below and compare to "put in.")
I also interpreted "home of Brown" as providing a specific place once we left far more generalized Yellowstone area. It helped with "canyon down" to mean travel south. It also seemed to be in retrospect that the "put in" meant that, after traveling about 20 miles with nothing but the road to guide you, there were going to be a number of upcoming important clues below "home of Brown." Maybe you "take in" your clue finder south of Yellowstone along the Lewis Canyon, but put in (get out) the clue finder when you get to "home of Brown."
From there it’s no place for the meek,
The end is ever drawing nigh;
There’ll be no paddle up your creek,
Just heavy loads and water high.
This collection of phrases seems to provide several clues as to where to park the car and start off on foot. The place to stop appears to be Pilgrim Creek area (not for the meek in the sense of the Pilgrims were risk takers and not meek and also from reports on the net of high Grizzly activity in that general area). Pilgrim Creek is about 3 to 4 miles south of "Brown." It is the first creek south of the University of Wyoming field research station ("Brown").
One could park on Pilgrim Creek Road or maybe, if allowed, off the side of the highway. I have never been these so I don't know all the details.
Pilgrim Creek seems unusual in the sense that it appears to have lots of sand, soil, rocks and is multistranded at least during low water times where it crosses under US 89/191/237. I saw one photo with no water in it and another when it was raging.
So, unless it is raging, and one is not padding upstream then, it is probably a no paddle creek anyway. It does seem to have heavy loads of sediment. The high amount of sediment "load" is evident from the nature of the creek, that the water appears to be cloudy, and also from looking at all the sediment suspended in Jackson Lake where Pilgrim Lake drains into the lake.
So, maybe Fenn led one to the Pilgrim Creek area. But were to go from here? It seems that the mention of not paddling upstream plus mention of the "end," maybe being the end of the creek as it drains into Jackson Lake, means that one is to look in the area of Pilgrim Creek between the highway and the lake shore and walk in that general direction towards the end of the creek.
Fenn said that the area might be wet, that there were tall pines and sage brush. This area looks from satellite like it may have wet or swampy/boggy areas in forested areas in this general area. They could have cold water Pilgrim Creek seems to divide into several other creeks as it gets close to the lake so maybe the idea is to follow the general creek bed even though it has dry spots, wet spots, steam courses etc. as one approaches the end of the stream at the lake shore.
There is another clue from below that may confirm this location: "tarry scant with marvel gaze." It appears that that area, when one comes out near the end of Pilgrim Creek in the open to look across Lake Jackson, has an incredible view -- probably one of those views commonly associated with that park for those of us who have not been there. It appears that the general pilgrim creek area between the main road and the lake can be full of flowers in the summer.
If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
Just take the chest and go in peace.
Could the word "wise" relate to the University of Wyoming field research station just up the main road from Pilgrim Creek? It least is plausible. Also note that one of the prior owners of the ranch before it became a research station was the owner of a pencil company. It does relate to academia and scientific research -- subjects of the wise.
The idea of a blaze is tough. You need to be there as Fenn said. Could it just be a tree blaze? Maybe the blaze of an incredible view once one emerges from the trees and sees across the lake to the mountains (a blaze of mountains across the lake?). Maybe the blaze is a blaze-shaped island offshore in the lake -- Donoho Point -- pointing toward where Pilgrim Creek drains into the lake.
If one were in the general area though, a very careful, detailed and timely brute force search might reveal the spot.
Keep in mind that Fenn would jhave wanted to protect the chest from fire damage (hence a wet area) but also from being swept downstream and into the lake never to be found -- maybe close ot th eedge of the marshy area with a good tree nook on the ground to make sure it does not move.
In any event, it seems as if Fenn assumed that you would first see the blaze some distance away from the actual blaze. You would see it before you actually arrived at the blaze. He seems to say so when he says "[l]ook quickly down," meaning don't go all the way to the blaze; instead when you first see that blaze, look quickly down and "cease" because you are there at the treasure spot. The blaze leads you there but the blaze is not the spot.
Also look down may mean that the chest is in the general area because there are multiple places by Pilgrim Creek to first see the blaze
This attempt to solve at least narrows down the area one might need to search to find the spot. The finder did report 25 days of looking.
So why is it that I must go
And leave my trove for all to seek?
The answers I already know,
I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak.
This does not seem to have locational clues. Perhaps this relates to his cancer diagnosis and eventual recovery and the initial thought he might just like to go to the spot to die in the presence of incredible beauty and peace.
So hear me all and listen good,
Your effort will be worth the cold.
If you are brave and in the wood
I give you title to the gold.
"[H]ear me all and listen good" seems to mean to take each and every word of the poem as being important and likely intertwined. Listen carefully to all words.
Your effort will be worth the cold.
If you are brave and in the wood
I give you title to the gold.
Searching in a woody wet area would seem to fit "cold" and "wood." "Brave" may relate to reported high bear populations in that general area.
Grant of title: This may be a legal issue Fenn inserted if he spoke with an attorney before doing this so the finder would be able to keep the treasure even if found on public land.
And with my treasures bold,
I can keep my secret where,
And hint of riches new and old.
Not a direction but explains that treasure location is well enough hidden that one can go alone "in there" without being disturbed by people.
Bold means that the way in from the car to the spot could be expected to be observable by many people but if one just walks there not worrying about observers, it won't raise any suspicions.
Maybe walking across an open space near a well traveled road that leads to woods -- you are bold in the open space, but alone from others and not in the position of being observed once in the woods and at the "spot". Bold also may have something to do with wildlife dangers such as a high number of Grizzlies or say mountain lions.
The area I am thinking of has all of these plus also a resort on high ground nearby. Luckily the area is such that one could easily take a little walk into the woods with a backpack and nobody observing would blink their eyes. There is too much to see there plus it would not be unusual for someone to take a side walk off of a main road.
The spot itself is isolated, as most people are not going to want to walk in swampy/cold/wet areas,yet it is not far from a main road. it consists of medows and woods/trees.
Tie these together with the idea that the spot was close enough to the car parking stop for an 80 year old to make two car trips back and forth between the spot and the parked car. It sees that the spot where he hid the treasure was close to a major road, but not that far away, in the woods, in a generally flat and wet area.
Begin it where warm waters halt
And take it in the canyon down,
Not far, but too far to walk.
Put in below the home of Brown.
Like the rest of the poem, the sentences and clues need to be read together and not in isolation. Fenn seems to say this at the end of the poem when he says to "hear me all and listen good." Listen carefully to all he says as if he is reading to poem to you.
In this case I think the above must also be read with home of Brown -- in other words you are to begin a short journey headed toward the home of Brown. Fenn mentioned that the Finder was the only one who correctly identified the correct "home of Brown, thus this would suggest ruling out most publically known solves.
With the help of hindsight that the spot it in Wyoming, one has to consider that hot springs, places where water disappears and reappears, are many. It looks like an amazing state. But in the general sense and for the first clue to be of any use, there can only one "where warm waters halt," which I believe is the boundary of the Yellowstone geothermal area -- the largest such area in the world. This seems to be the only interpretation of what otherwise would seem to be reference to numerous places, such that the start is one singular place (or at least an area.
Considering the vast number of highly credible beginnings, if the beginning is in the Yellowstone geothermal area, now one has narrowed down the possibilities of this "not far" trip considerably. There are only five entrances to Yellowstone. If the spot where Fenn hid the treasure was outside the park in its entirety, then there are only five routes instead of millions. If this theory works, one of the five ways out must lead to the "home of Brown."
The "home of Brown" phrase must be something new because Fenn said that nobody but the finder ever correctly identified the home of "Brown.".
How about the "home of Brown" referring to the University of Wyoming? Brown is one of its main official colors and "home" works more like origin, rather than a house structure. Note this is a university color; the state colors are different. Let's try this to see.
But the university as completely across the state. A dead end?
But, would the University of Wyoming have field stations or some other physical presence somewhere "not far" from the edge of the Yellowstone geothermal area, if we were to travel to "home of Brown? from Yellowstone"
Yes, the University of Wyoming does in fact have a joint research field station with the National Park Service about 20 miles south of Yellowstone off of US 89/191/237 on Amk Road in Grand Teton National Park (http://www.uwyo.edu/uwnps/). It was a historical lodge from the late 1880s or early 1900s. It has one of the most elaborate rustic structures in the area and on the National Register of Historic Places. It looks like some of the main buildings are also brown.
The University of Wyoming/National Park Service Research Center formed and moved to the AMK Ranch in 1977. The AMK Ranch serves as a research facility for social, physical and biological sciences. The Center promotes excellence in research by furnishing housing, laboratory space, transportation, equipment and financial support for scientists.
From a Google satellite view, the Lewis River that one follows down to the field station (downstream and also south) by driving south on US 89/191/237 has a "canyon", although the road is mostly on the top and side of the canyon. Maybe "take it in" is not meant to be literal or maybe it refers to taking in a nice view of the canyon while traveling down along side it. Maybe it means that this portion of the drove is not going to have any immediate clues. (See below and compare to "put in.")
I also interpreted "home of Brown" as providing a specific place once we left far more generalized Yellowstone area. It helped with "canyon down" to mean travel south. It also seemed to be in retrospect that the "put in" meant that, after traveling about 20 miles with nothing but the road to guide you, there were going to be a number of upcoming important clues below "home of Brown." Maybe you "take in" your clue finder south of Yellowstone along the Lewis Canyon, but put in (get out) the clue finder when you get to "home of Brown."
From there it’s no place for the meek,
The end is ever drawing nigh;
There’ll be no paddle up your creek,
Just heavy loads and water high.
This collection of phrases seems to provide several clues as to where to park the car and start off on foot. The place to stop appears to be Pilgrim Creek area (not for the meek in the sense of the Pilgrims were risk takers and not meek and also from reports on the net of high Grizzly activity in that general area). Pilgrim Creek is about 3 to 4 miles south of "Brown." It is the first creek south of the University of Wyoming field research station ("Brown").
One could park on Pilgrim Creek Road or maybe, if allowed, off the side of the highway. I have never been these so I don't know all the details.
Pilgrim Creek seems unusual in the sense that it appears to have lots of sand, soil, rocks and is multistranded at least during low water times where it crosses under US 89/191/237. I saw one photo with no water in it and another when it was raging.
So, unless it is raging, and one is not padding upstream then, it is probably a no paddle creek anyway. It does seem to have heavy loads of sediment. The high amount of sediment "load" is evident from the nature of the creek, that the water appears to be cloudy, and also from looking at all the sediment suspended in Jackson Lake where Pilgrim Lake drains into the lake.
So, maybe Fenn led one to the Pilgrim Creek area. But were to go from here? It seems that the mention of not paddling upstream plus mention of the "end," maybe being the end of the creek as it drains into Jackson Lake, means that one is to look in the area of Pilgrim Creek between the highway and the lake shore and walk in that general direction towards the end of the creek.
Fenn said that the area might be wet, that there were tall pines and sage brush. This area looks from satellite like it may have wet or swampy/boggy areas in forested areas in this general area. They could have cold water Pilgrim Creek seems to divide into several other creeks as it gets close to the lake so maybe the idea is to follow the general creek bed even though it has dry spots, wet spots, steam courses etc. as one approaches the end of the stream at the lake shore.
There is another clue from below that may confirm this location: "tarry scant with marvel gaze." It appears that that area, when one comes out near the end of Pilgrim Creek in the open to look across Lake Jackson, has an incredible view -- probably one of those views commonly associated with that park for those of us who have not been there. It appears that the general pilgrim creek area between the main road and the lake can be full of flowers in the summer.
If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
Just take the chest and go in peace.
Could the word "wise" relate to the University of Wyoming field research station just up the main road from Pilgrim Creek? It least is plausible. Also note that one of the prior owners of the ranch before it became a research station was the owner of a pencil company. It does relate to academia and scientific research -- subjects of the wise.
The idea of a blaze is tough. You need to be there as Fenn said. Could it just be a tree blaze? Maybe the blaze of an incredible view once one emerges from the trees and sees across the lake to the mountains (a blaze of mountains across the lake?). Maybe the blaze is a blaze-shaped island offshore in the lake -- Donoho Point -- pointing toward where Pilgrim Creek drains into the lake.
If one were in the general area though, a very careful, detailed and timely brute force search might reveal the spot.
Keep in mind that Fenn would jhave wanted to protect the chest from fire damage (hence a wet area) but also from being swept downstream and into the lake never to be found -- maybe close ot th eedge of the marshy area with a good tree nook on the ground to make sure it does not move.
In any event, it seems as if Fenn assumed that you would first see the blaze some distance away from the actual blaze. You would see it before you actually arrived at the blaze. He seems to say so when he says "[l]ook quickly down," meaning don't go all the way to the blaze; instead when you first see that blaze, look quickly down and "cease" because you are there at the treasure spot. The blaze leads you there but the blaze is not the spot.
Also look down may mean that the chest is in the general area because there are multiple places by Pilgrim Creek to first see the blaze
This attempt to solve at least narrows down the area one might need to search to find the spot. The finder did report 25 days of looking.
So why is it that I must go
And leave my trove for all to seek?
The answers I already know,
I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak.
This does not seem to have locational clues. Perhaps this relates to his cancer diagnosis and eventual recovery and the initial thought he might just like to go to the spot to die in the presence of incredible beauty and peace.
So hear me all and listen good,
Your effort will be worth the cold.
If you are brave and in the wood
I give you title to the gold.
"[H]ear me all and listen good" seems to mean to take each and every word of the poem as being important and likely intertwined. Listen carefully to all words.
Your effort will be worth the cold.
If you are brave and in the wood
I give you title to the gold.
Searching in a woody wet area would seem to fit "cold" and "wood." "Brave" may relate to reported high bear populations in that general area.
Grant of title: This may be a legal issue Fenn inserted if he spoke with an attorney before doing this so the finder would be able to keep the treasure even if found on public land.