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Post by Jenny on Dec 7, 2020 10:35:13 GMT -5
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Post by susb8383 on Dec 8, 2020 18:16:55 GMT -5
I guess Michigan is "Back East" if you're from New Mexico. I assumed it meant someone from the East Coast.
I had a feeling we'd be reading the person's name because of the lawsuit. I hope someone convinces him to reveal the solution.
Anyway, congrats to Jack.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Dec 8, 2020 18:56:23 GMT -5
I hope he never reveals the solution, myself. The location would get trampled and ruined. Plus, if he figured it out, then that means it's solvable. There are many who would prefer to figure it out for themselves, which theoretically should be easier since the search area has been drastically reduced, and Jack has ruled out a number of popular strategies (e.g. not a puzzle, no GPS, etc.) That is... if you believe him. ;-)
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Post by Jenny on Dec 9, 2020 9:32:08 GMT -5
I hope he never reveals the solution, myself. The location would get trampled and ruined. Plus, if he figured it out, then that means it's solvable. There are many who would prefer to figure it out for themselves, which theoretically should be easier since the search area has been drastically reduced, and Jack has ruled out a number of popular strategies (e.g. not a puzzle, no GPS, etc.) That is... if you believe him. ;-) What can 'confirm' a solution now though? Even if someone were to discover 'a location', without the treasure chest being there to 'confirm' it is correct, it is nothing more than a theory....a person's 'believed solution', like the GPS solution was. It seems possible 'Jack' might say 'no' to a 'solution' sent to him, since he has done so for the GPS location..... but will he say 'yes' to a correct solution? or a correct WWWH? etc..... |
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Post by zaphod73491 on Dec 9, 2020 15:45:08 GMT -5
I hope he never reveals the solution, myself. The location would get trampled and ruined. Plus, if he figured it out, then that means it's solvable. There are many who would prefer to figure it out for themselves, which theoretically should be easier since the search area has been drastically reduced, and Jack has ruled out a number of popular strategies (e.g. not a puzzle, no GPS, etc.) That is... if you believe him. ;-) What can 'confirm' a solution now though? Even if someone were to discover 'a location', without the treasure chest being there to 'confirm' it is correct, it is nothing more than a theory....a person's 'believed solution', like the GPS solution was. It seems possible 'Jack' might say 'no' to a 'solution' sent to him, since he has done so for the GPS location..... but will he say 'yes' to a correct solution? or a correct WWWH? etc..... Hi Jenny: the only hope for confirmation, it seems to me, is if the field photos of the chest on the ground, reportedly taken very near (within a few feet of) where it was hidden, are legitimate. If they are, then there is forensically enough in those pictures that a searcher at the right location would be able to prove it -- at least for a couple years (assuming no forest fires). Longer than that, the pine litter may be sufficiently different that positive ID will be more difficult. The dead log's distinctive wood grain and adjacent sedges definitely help. |
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Post by zaphod73491 on Dec 10, 2020 19:24:31 GMT -5
Hi Jenny -- it seems Jack, in answering Ty, has answered my question as far as a searcher being able to prove they have correctly solved the poem:
"Why is there a stick on the surface of the treasure chest? Ty"
"Ty, it was a windy day when I found it, and that twig probably either snapped off a branch above and fell into the chest or I somehow knocked it in at some point without realizing it. I took those photos at the spot so Forrest could confirm for me it was the real treasure, and if so, to prove to him that I had found it. I wasn’t looking ahead of that. I didn’t notice the twig until after I pressed the button to take the photo, then tossed it aside and didn’t bother to take another photo of the same thing. If I had known the twig would become so famous, I would’ve kept it."
So at least for 2021, I think a searcher correctly solving the poem can find confirmation at the site. If they're really meticulous, they may even be able to find the infamous twig that caused so much (needless) speculation.
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Chouetteur
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Post by Chouetteur on Dec 11, 2020 11:23:36 GMT -5
I hope he never reveals the solution, myself. The location would get trampled and ruined. Plus, if he figured it out, then that means it's solvable. There are many who would prefer to figure it out for themselves, which theoretically should be easier since the search area has been drastically reduced, and Jack has ruled out a number of popular strategies (e.g. not a puzzle, no GPS, etc.) That is... if you believe him. ;-) Congratulations to Jack! However, I am anxious about the fact of him revealing the solution of the hunt and where the chest was found, because the site might be vandalized. I remember a similar situation that happened in the 1980s when TISOTGH (Treasure In Search of the Golden Horse), a rather controversial hunt, was confirmed to be at Tennessee pass, Colorado. It's a long story, but even today incensed treasure hunters that put in so much for finding the golden horse continue to destroy and mar the site because they think the hunt was a scam. Will the same happen to this hunt? |
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Post by jakob on Dec 12, 2020 10:33:31 GMT -5
I hope he never reveals the solution, myself. The location would get trampled and ruined. Plus, if he figured it out, then that means it's solvable. There are many who would prefer to figure it out for themselves, which theoretically should be easier since the search area has been drastically reduced, and Jack has ruled out a number of popular strategies (e.g. not a puzzle, no GPS, etc.) That is... if you believe him. ;-) What can 'confirm' a solution now though? Even if someone were to discover 'a location', without the treasure chest being there to 'confirm' it is correct, it is nothing more than a theory....a person's 'believed solution', like the GPS solution was. It seems possible 'Jack' might say 'no' to a 'solution' sent to him, since he has done so for the GPS location..... but will he say 'yes' to a correct solution? or a correct WWWH? etc..... Jack writes "I believe there is more than enough evidence sitting in front of us and publicly available, in concert with the poem and by connecting the dots, to prove beyond a reasonable doubt where that special place is. So I do think that thrill of discovery is still available to everyone" Source: dalneitzel.com/2020/12/10/jack-mail-01/ |
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Post by davebakedpotato on Dec 16, 2020 15:27:16 GMT -5
I have mentioned in an email to Jack that some feel leaving a geocache or visitors book at the site might be a way to keep the secret but help searchers who still want to crack the code. He sent a brief response to say he'd read the email, but no word either way on the above suggestion. I guess it only takes one indiscreet subsequent finder to release the secret to the world, so I'll not push it further.
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Post by annie on Dec 21, 2020 13:54:30 GMT -5
After reading Jack’s story, and digesting it over the past few weeks, happy and sad - I have decided to start my search again. I realise that Montana (which was my original solve) is now out of the picture and my solve was wrong. The chest is found well done Jack! I found some interesting points that Jack made, which made me - go back in time - and re open one of my original solves which was in Wyoming, I will centre around the geography of this state, I believe we need a little bit more research and background information, my reading of the poem will also be different, so all is not lost, I enjoy a good conundrum, here we go again.
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