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Post by Jenny on Dec 10, 2020 15:55:16 GMT -5
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Post by Jenny on Dec 10, 2020 16:51:14 GMT -5
Wonderful he's willing to answer questions...... So there is a hint to the 'Blaze' in the book? hmmmm..... and he does feel we all could discover the spot ourselves still?
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Post by goldhunter on Dec 10, 2020 17:53:59 GMT -5
Can you tell us the county it was found in?
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Post by goldilocks on Dec 13, 2020 16:16:16 GMT -5
I would like to ask Jack the following questions. I haven't been following his posts so some of these may have been answered.
At what point did you know you had the correct wwwh?
Did the key word unlock the poem for you?
Was TTOTC necessary in cracking the solve or could a person do it with the poem alone?
Was it obvious to you why the spot was special and relevant to Forrest before you left to retrieve the chest or did it become obvious once there?
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Post by davebakedpotato on Dec 16, 2020 14:09:38 GMT -5
Ok, so he may not answer these, but still: - Is the whole of the poem 'trail' within the same state? - Is it necessary to drive any part of the poem trail, or do you walk from beginning to end? - What is the damn solution?  |
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Post by zaphod73491 on Dec 16, 2020 15:45:56 GMT -5
Ok, so he may not answer these, but still: - Is the whole of the poem 'trail' within the same state? - Is it necessary to drive any part of the poem trail, or do you walk from beginning to end? - What is the damn solution? Hi DBP: Jack has recently stated that all of the clues were in Wyoming, though I suppose it's conceivable (though very unlikely) that the trail between clues could cross the Wyoming state border twice. (Personally, I find no evidence for any of the clues being in Wyoming, other than that most of Yellowstone is in that state. I still stubbornly think that either all the clues are in Montana, or that Forrest lied about the no-intentional-red-herrings). |
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Post by davebakedpotato on Dec 16, 2020 16:02:39 GMT -5
Ok, so he may not answer these, but still: - Is the whole of the poem 'trail' within the same state? - Is it necessary to drive any part of the poem trail, or do you walk from beginning to end? - What is the damn solution? Hi DBP: Jack has recently stated that all of the clues were in Wyoming, though I suppose it's conceivable (though very unlikely) that the trail between clues could cross the Wyoming state border twice. (Personally, I find no evidence for any of the clues being in Wyoming, other than that most of Yellowstone is in that state. I still stubbornly think that either all the clues are in Montana, or that Forrest lied about the no-intentional-red-herrings). Thanks Zaph, I'm not following this as obsessively as I did Maj. Fenn so I hadn't seen that. I know you heavily invested serious time and thought and found many things that confirmed your spot. You also know I rate you as a searcher, and as a very helpful contributor to the blogs. So, with great care, can I suggest that perhaps you are still in the 'denial' stage of the grief cycle. It's hard to let go, but it's over, probably Jack found it, there's probably no conspiracy, it was probably in Wyoming. IMO. |
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Post by zaphod73491 on Dec 16, 2020 17:08:00 GMT -5
Hi Dave -- oh, I haven't thought there is a chest to find since the pictures came out months ago. That ship has sailed, and I'm not deluded like some who think the chest is still out there, or that there were two chests, yada, yada. It was never really about the chest for me, it was about solving the poem. The intellectual challenge. Same reason I've work on Kryptos, D'Agapeyeff, Zodiac ciphers, unsolved problems in number theory, and so on.
Nothing in what Jack has revealed tells me he solved a single thing OTHER than that he's pictured with Forrest and the treasure and that the family (at least at one time) acknowledged that he was the finder. Don't get me wrong -- that's powerful proof that he is the "finder." But that reveals nothing about how. Irrespective of Jack's failure to provide any insight into his approach to poem decipherment, there is the simple matter of logistics that (as far as I know) has not been explained. He says he found the treasure on June 5th -- but then left it there. Overnight! Says he called Forrest to ask permission to remove it? I don't know about you, but there is no way I'd have left it there for 10 minutes, let alone leave it there and come back for it the next day.
Then there is the whole business of driving it down to Santa Fe during a pandemic. New Mexico was in lockdown at that time. Jack is photographed maskless indoors, less than 6 feet from an 89-year-old man with health issues. Yes, there is a mask on the table in front of him, so perhaps he briefly took it off for the photo and then put it back on. But there is no such mask on or visibly near Forrest. Yes, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but the alleged timing of that in-person meeting is certainly eyebrow-raising.
Then there is the photographic weirdness surrounding the dragon coat bracelet. The photos themselves introduce serious doubt about the timeline of the narrative. How is a bracelet wrapped in a rusty pouch or cloth somehow magically NOT wrapped in that cloth in the in situ outdoor image of the open chest shortly after it was found? Entropy does not allow you to open the chest, pull out the plastic bag with the dragon coat bracelet, remove the rusty cloth, put the bracelet back in the plastic bag, partially bury it under gold coins and nuggets, and THEN snap that photo.
Perhaps believable explanations will eventually be provided by Jack. Until then, I'll remain a skeptic, but I'm not grieving over the Chase. I have plenty of other unsolved challenges that are more interesting to me at this point. Perhaps next spring when the snow has thawed, I'll pay a visit to my (now) 15-month-old, still-unvisited location to completely close the book on the Chase for myself. But it's not a high priority.
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Post by grapette79or80 on Dec 16, 2020 18:15:39 GMT -5
Could Jack be «SmellTheSunshine»?
Loads of deep well recorded/edited professional videos come out during pandemic, after lawsuit. Fenn announces Chest found on 6/6 (F/F). Fenn dies. Peggy dies. Finder announced.
I just find it curious that the chest was found so close to Fenn’s death.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Dec 16, 2020 18:19:59 GMT -5
Could Jack be «SmellTheSunshine»? Loads of deep well recorded/edited professional videos come out during pandemic, after lawsuit. Fenn announces Chest found on 6/6 (F/F). Fenn dies. Peggy dies. Finder announced. I just find it curious that the chest was found so close to Fenn’s death. Hi Grapette: no, Smell the Sunshine (Matt) is not Jack. Matt was in West Yellowstone for the Fennale over Labor Day weekend -- you can see him in KPro's streaming video and he's not the same guy. |
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Post by goldilocks on Dec 17, 2020 8:08:27 GMT -5
Hi Dave -- oh, I haven't thought there is a chest to find since the pictures came out months ago. That ship has sailed, and I'm not deluded like some who think the chest is still out there, or that there were two chests, yada, yada. It was never really about the chest for me, it was about solving the poem. The intellectual challenge. Same reason I've work on Kryptos, D'Agapeyeff, Zodiac ciphers, unsolved problems in number theory, and so on. Nothing in what Jack has revealed tells me he solved a single thing OTHER than that he's pictured with Forrest and the treasure and that the family (at least at one time) acknowledged that he was the finder. Don't get me wrong -- that's powerful proof that he is the "finder." But that reveals nothing about how. Irrespective of Jack's failure to provide any insight into his approach to poem decipherment, there is the simple matter of logistics that (as far as I know) has not been explained. He says he found the treasure on June 5th -- but then left it there. Overnight! Says he called Forrest to ask permission to remove it? I don't know about you, but there is no way I'd have left it there for 10 minutes, let alone leave it there and come back for it the next day. Then there is the whole business of driving it down to Santa Fe during a pandemic. New Mexico was in lockdown at that time. Jack is photographed maskless indoors, less than 6 feet from an 89-year-old man with health issues. Yes, there is a mask on the table in front of him, so perhaps he briefly took it off for the photo and then put it back on. But there is no such mask on or visibly near Forrest. Yes, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but the alleged timing of that in-person meeting is certainly eyebrow-raising. Then there is the photographic weirdness surrounding the dragon coat bracelet. The photos themselves introduce serious doubt about the timeline of the narrative. How is a bracelet wrapped in a rusty pouch or cloth somehow magically NOT wrapped in that cloth in the in situ outdoor image of the open chest shortly after it was found? Entropy does not allow you to open the chest, pull out the plastic bag with the dragon coat bracelet, remove the rusty cloth, put the bracelet back in the plastic bag, partially bury it under gold coins and nuggets, and THEN snap that photo. Perhaps believable explanations will eventually be provided by Jack. Until then, I'll remain a skeptic, but I'm not grieving over the Chase. I have plenty of other unsolved challenges that are more interesting to me at this point. Perhaps next spring when the snow has thawed, I'll pay a visit to my (now) 15-month-old, still-unvisited location to completely close the book on the Chase for myself. But it's not a high priority. You forgot to mention how he slept-in the morning of retrieving the chest. He knew where it was and was going to go get it, yet slept in. His explanation of the bracelet bag was that it was actually a paper towel, wet in one photo, dry in the next. |
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Post by zaphod73491 on Dec 17, 2020 16:58:42 GMT -5
Hi Goldilocks: yes, I saw that update about the dragon coat bracelet. There is certainly no semi-transparent, wet paper towel between the plastic bag and the bracelet in the field photo. (I encourage anyone to try that experiment.) However, if it *was* paper towel (or really anything that doesn't have a pouch shape to it) then it's possible that it didn't completely enwrap the bracelet, and that the portion of the bracelet that we can see actually blocks the view of the wet paper towel (and scissors) underneath.
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