New Comment from Niamo Speck

[eeple]

It looks like Niamo Speck has somewhat revised their previous hints based on some of our speculation. They posted a new comment on the YouTube video five days ago:

"I have recently discovered the mysterious writings pro board forums and would like to clarify some things. From this moment on whatever you have heard maybe disregarded to limit confusion.

This video contains a piece of paper with a phrase and string of numbers. I am not too knowledgeable in the different types of cyphers so I will not compare this one to any that currently exist even though this style may already have a name.

You will need a source material, found on the internet or elsewhere to decipher the string of numbers into a written phrase.

The source material is not random, and can be revealed through hints included within the phrase, images, and string of numbers.

Once the source material has been located it will be clear where and how to begin your decoding process. The message will then be revealed, containing directions to the location of a $2,500 prize.

The prize is not $2,500 cash but an item of this value.

So study the video, locate the clues to the source material, find the source material and decode the string of numbers.

Follow the instructions to the treasure."

Any thoughts on this new comment? Personally, I don't think it changes much for me, but I see how it could really change someone's approach.

[eeple]

Actually, thinking about it a bit more, the phrase "The source material is not random, and can be revealed through hints included within the phrase, images, and string of numbers" would seem to indicate that the background music isn't significant, at least not for figuring out the source material. Anyone disagree?

[zaphod73491]

Nov 15, 2021 14:24:42 GMT -5 eeple said:

Actually, thinking about it a bit more, the phrase "The source material is not random, and can be revealed through hints included within the phrase, images, and string of numbers" would seem to indicate that the background music isn't significant, at least not for figuring out the source material. Anyone disagree?

I agree that this strongly suggests the background music does not contain any information necessary (or even helpful) in identifying the source material. Furthermore, that it is absolutely pointless to attempt decipherment of the integers without first identifying the source material -- something that apparently no one (at least posting publicly) has successfully done. So the whole focus here, in my opinion, should be to solve the identity of that source material. Niamo Speck has enumerated the clues necessary to that task:

1. Within the phrase (presumably "A Piece Of the New World")

2. Within the images: two opals standing in for the two instances of the letter O, and a stand alone larger opal, with each opal different from the others; possibly the parchment-like background

3. Within the string of numbers: larger font for the middle two lines of numbers, four small glyphs (one per each line of numbers), and perhaps the locations of those glyphs within each line and/or the digits they are associated with

That's not a lot of raw material to work with. It seems like most of the focus has been on figuring out how (or even if) the four glyphs are somehow interrelated and whether their identities or collective association combine to reveal the likely source document.

Niamo long ago backtracked on initial claims that this is a Beale cipher, and his/her description of the decryption process clearly shows it isn't. It is a form of book cipher, one letter per line, meaning the source material must have at least 73 lines, and some lines must contain at least 65 letters. Not very helpful in identifying the source material, but very helpful in eliminating a lot of candidates.

[astree]

Nov 15, 2021 14:24:42 GMT -5 eeple said:

Actually, thinking about it a bit more, the phrase "The source material is not random, and can be revealed through hints included within the phrase, images, and string of numbers" would seem to indicate that the background music isn't significant, at least not for figuring out the source material. Anyone disagree?

Thats my interpretation of Niamo’s recent comment.  In an earlier comment, Niamo declined to comment when asked if music was part of the clues.

Now,  others have already Attributed the music to jaz of earth ( although I’ve only found it to be the same in the first measure), And there have been a background 11 and 11 beats added.  The question is, why add that if it’s not useful As a hint?

there are 11 sentences in the NS comment, and the last letters of each sentence, starting at end are

E SEES SEES NS

just thought that was interesting

Also, in he comments, all the capital letters anagram to 

ITS FIFTY TO(T) .... IT'S 50 to "T"

and the prize is said to be worth FIFTY squared

[noticing how the author changed the spelling of cipher / cypher] in various comments- somewhat eyecatching as of the 666, and Lu-cifer]

[astree]

Nov 16, 2021 0:12:48 GMT -5 zaphod73491 said:

Niamo long ago backtracked on initial claims that this is a Beale cipher, and his/her description of the decryption process clearly shows it isn't. It is a form of book cipher, one letter per line, meaning the source material must have at least 73 lines, and some lines must contain at least 65 letters. Not very helpful in identifying the source material, but very helpful in eliminating a lot of candidates.

Maybe interesting that the comment that Jenny posted said “Beil”, perhaps backing up that Niamo was not too knowledgable about ciphers. As well, in the youtube comments, Niamo said “If its not a Beale cipher, we shall call it a Speck cipher” ... which could be a play on the Speck cipher, and indicate knowledge of ciphers. Also, see the capital letters in that quote ( ?... )

Interestingly, in this recent comment by the Niamo, it is mentioned that the mysterious writings website was recently found. However ever since I’ve been looking at this puzzle, maybe three months, the link to the mysterious writing website has been in the info section of the video.

73 lines .... this should not be dependent on the display  (word wrap) settings of the computer display, then.  So perhaps looking for an original document image, or put some interpretation on “lines”

From this moment on whatever you have heard maybe disregarded to limit confusion.

Are there spelling errors in this ... “maybe” disregard the previous comment about “lines”?  Heard means read?  So, the ostensible meaning is to throw out the previous comments, includong the one about lines?

[zaphod73491]

Hi Astree: yes, the source document is probably not some random book that can be found in both hardcover and paperback since those two forms rarely maintain the same word layout per line / per page. The exception would be if the source text is in verse form, with hard returns on each line of verse (e.g. a poem, song lyrics, etc.) Trouble is, poems/lyrics rarely have that many letters (words) per line. So I'm thinking something like a historical document that is nearly always shown in the same layout.

[astree]

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As an example... the 9 is a special character in the cipher ( and reminds of Forrests 9 clues). The 9th position, including phrase

t
(O)

10
40
9
16

The 2016 US tax form 1040 has enough fixed, numbered lines to meet your requirements.  Maybe interesting that line 9 is for dividends and Niamo said “time to divvy”.  Also, 9=i, and 9 is part of Income section.

(understood that the above sequence could be route numbers, etc)

Niamo long ago backtracked on initial claims that this is a Beale cipher, and his/her description of the decryption process clearly shows it isn't. It is a form of book cipher, one letter per line, meaning the source material must have at least 73 lines, and some lines must contain at least 65 letters.

not sure what to thing about the authors various somewhat conflicting statements, including “maybe” discount previous statents

[susb8383]

Nov 16, 2021 7:44:28 GMT -5 astree said:

Now,  others have already Attributed the music to jaz of earth ( although I’ve only found it to be the same in the first measure), And there have been a background 11 and 11 beats added.  

I disagree that anything was added to the music. Someone else used that same music on youtube as background music to a video about meditating (link is somewhere on this forum} and it was exactly the same including the weird beats. So either that person is also Niamo Speck or it's just random music that you can choose when creating a video. My guess is the latter.

The only things new in Niamo's comments, to me, are:
1. The string of numbers is a component to identifying the source material.
2. The prize is valued at $2,500. Jewelry of some kind? A gemstone? 

[astree]

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This is what I found now, not sure if its the same i listened to before. The music doesnt sound the same at the beginning to me, but around 1:28 maybe. But the background beats have different tempo. And the instrument toward end of measure sounds different. What time in the video did you find the line up?

youtu.be/xRrVfTBYKZc

Niamo would need to strip out the verbal affirmations if using from this source.

[susb8383]

This is the one I was thinking of.
youtu.be/r5YF1LBmJb0

Same YT poster, basically the same, but for some reason she posted a different video.

I don't think Niamo used this and stripped out the verbal, I think both people got the music from the same source.

[astree]

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Thanks, susb. I’m be interested in that original music source.

If your source is the alphabet, and youre number four, then your letter is D

.... Nov 19 in response to question from D about doing a “hard reset” (this may give some second thoughts regarding interpretation of previous comments)