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Post by diceycat on Dec 27, 2023 22:45:46 GMT -5
In the post I suggested that the image / pattern,( what some call the “Laureate”), was in my opinion, a harp in the lions face ( girls hair). Of course it’s the girls hair but it also looks like a lions face to me. Canuck wrote back “ Harp in the hair? I find the laureate in downtown Milwaukee as a more plausible match, but each to his own” Maybe the creator of the lion statues, bridge, park received some sort of award or achievement thus the “laureate” in the hair. Different ways to look at it. So what your saying is a suggestion is different from a hint?
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Post by choice on Jan 21, 2024 22:16:37 GMT -5
I was doing my garage organizing this weekend and I came across my old NOLA coffee table book from 1985. This is a large book with large glossy pictures taken in 1983. There is only one picture of Louis Armstrong park near the end of the book. However it is a large, clear birds-eye view of the park. The eagle is visible, however there is no planter or dirt/bed near it. Jackson Square, the flagpole was at near 7 o'clock position. It's near 5 o'clock now. Washington Artillery Park used to have 2 rows of 4 square planters and no cannon in the middle. Now there are a bunch of round bowl planters with the cannon in the middle. I don't see the two globe light-poles by the metal fence on each side either. The picture is large but covers the whole JAX area so the WAP corner is small and low resolution.
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Post by diceycat on Jan 22, 2024 14:09:26 GMT -5
Can you post those pics?
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Post by choice on Jan 22, 2024 15:11:42 GMT -5
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Post by diceycat on Jan 22, 2024 15:28:48 GMT -5
Thanks for posting those pics. Lots of changes in both parks. There may not have been a flower bed in that location in 1980, but there appears to be grass / crushed stone/ dirt?. So I still wouldn’t rule it out that the casque is by the Eagle.
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Post by choice on Jan 22, 2024 16:41:14 GMT -5
It looks to me like consistent concrete all around from the overhead image.
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Post by diceycat on Jan 22, 2024 18:13:44 GMT -5
You can see the concrete walls , boarders and steps are white in colour, so it has to be something else like crushed stone maybe, for drainage or some type of shorter grass. We see that there is grass in the areas by the “7” fence today. Can’t see why anyone would concrete up all those areas then rip it out and install grass later on. The pic that I posted above looks more grass or stone like ( worn out spots), not like the concrete
On page 20 of the book where it talks about the Fay’s of France it says , (this is a clue),” Turquoise the Fays of France keep:stone” The next line it mentions ,”Rare as a blue midsummer’s day” From the first line we get the word “ keep” as in a fortress, ( a fortified place), and “stone” so this could imply that the casque is below stone ( crushed) protected by concrete walls and an Eagle, which is why it could be by that Eagle in Armstrong park or it may pertain to that stone museum that holds the jewels by Jackson park. From what I’ve read though is that the jewels were in a different location in 1980. Rare as a blue midsummer’s day kind of points to something one of a kind ( rare), and blues …..music perhaps.
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Post by choice on Jan 22, 2024 18:31:59 GMT -5
The white colors are whitewash that is done even now. It's aesthetically pleasing since it creates contrast with regular gray concrete. Even today the concrete borders have different color than the pathway concrete color and the walls are whitewashed. [Added] BTW that image you posted is mid construction prior to opening of the park. The walkways have not been paved yet. Even the lakes are not filled yet. Look at the lamp posts base visible under the bridge. Eagle
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Post by diceycat on Jan 22, 2024 19:18:09 GMT -5
The park was dedicated on April 6 1980 . So no telling of the exact date that the photo was taken, could be a few months prior. The photo could also have been enhanced to give more contrast, “ white”. Not saying that there isn’t any whitewash being done but I don’t see that much evidence of whitewashed concrete today, it just may be the type of concrete used or even power washed in someway (big waste of resources), and I doubt they would have done this in the past, ( park opening 1980). Just my opinion unless someone knows for sure. The entire area where the Armstrong statue now resides is white in the photo and I doubt they whitewashed that as well. Still sticking with the crushed stone theory or possibly asphalt . Then again if it’s asphalt then that could have been something that was added in 1983 after the casque was buried perhaps. BP probably buried it at the time when the park was under construction not knowing that it might get covered over. An area still worth checking out.
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Post by diceycat on Jan 25, 2024 14:16:36 GMT -5
Let’s look at the timeline. Louis Armstrong statue created 1978, later moved from its initial location by the East gate Park dedicated April 6 1980 Secret book published 1982 Photo submitted by Choice dated 1983. No Armstrong statue in its current location So when exactly was the casque buried? If all that white that we see in the 1983 photo is whitewash then this might explain the white face of the individual in the painting ,( Louis Armstrong) or it represents the lamp globe. Plan “B” is that the casque is in the planter as shown in the pics. The image on pg. 19 is used , ( flipped) and superimposed onto the park map. Again the girl might equate to a bird aka birds eye view.
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Post by choice on Jan 25, 2024 21:59:43 GMT -5
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Post by diceycat on Jan 26, 2024 10:08:32 GMT -5
Correct me if I’m wrong. The image of the Armstrong dedication shows the east gate bridge on the left side of the pic and the globe lamp on the right side with the peak roof of the Fire House in the background. Now this just may have been a place where the placed the statue for the ceremony then moved it to the octagon site. Let’s assume 1980 is the date and would have made the local news, ( one of the things the gift giver mentioned, it’s in the News).
Your image of Armstrong is now in the octagon with a broad side view of the Fire House in the background . Photo from sometime in 1980. What do we see but grass and bushes surrounding the statue growing in between the spokes. The grass looks poor. Now I highly doubt that they would remove the grass and shrubs from around the statue and place asphalt in between the spokes of the octagon wheel, ( see 1983 photo). The tonal shade of these in between sections match the other areas that I originally called short grass. I presume that is the Armstrong statue was in the Octagon in 1983. Further more his face is getting bleach from the bird droppings. Now we also see from that photo (1980?) ,the concrete across the front of the octagon but judging by the width of the outer portion this area( 1983 photo) , we see that this is just part of the octagon itself and not part of a walkway.
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Post by choice on Jan 26, 2024 13:06:14 GMT -5
The grassy field with "tall grass" is across the lake in front of the firehouse. Camera perspective. i.imgur.com/0xVXSwg.jpeg
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Post by diceycat on Jan 26, 2024 13:47:23 GMT -5
So the 1983 aerial photo shows no bushes in the octagon . So is that recent BW photo you posted, 1983 or later? I can see changes between the two photos . Why landscape around the statue then tear it all out? Unless this had to do with hurricane damage. No obvious signs of white wash on the concrete octagon yet it looks pretty white in the 1983 photo.
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Post by choice on Jan 26, 2024 14:11:07 GMT -5
Back of the black and white picture reads 1982. The color image is most likely much later, perhaps 2000s. Here's March 2006 view:
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