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Post by diceycat on Mar 21, 2022 19:06:16 GMT -5
I think the lion is just the symbol of Africa. It's large mane is a good place to hide coordinates numbers and "liberty" in. Similar to other paintings. In Boston painting the woman was a witch to symbolize Boston. If you're not familiar with The Gold Bug, short story by Poe, it's about a treasure on Sullivan's Island. How the treasure was discovered is interesting. There was a "skull" hanging off a tree branch. So to pinpoint the spot they dropped a bug from one eye socket. It's a fun read. pinkmonkey.com/dl/library1/gold.pdfEveryone is entitled to their beliefs. JJP already told us that the hair of the girl represents the baseball diamond, and the last time I saw a picture of a Witch she was green with a big hooked nose. The way I see it , if your park or park system doesn’t connect to water then your in the wrong park.The immigrants landed on the shores first. Then again BPs goal may have been to expand one’s knowledge of America and wether or not your in the wrong park you always learn something new along the way.
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Post by theo on Mar 21, 2022 19:22:11 GMT -5
A bar, by one definition, can be a rigid cylinder, usually made of metal. A capstan is also a rigid cylinder, usually made of metal. Neither of those definitions is controversial.
But the other word in the phrase from our verse is "bind." A capstan binds rope by holding it in place (via friction). I don't know of any other way in which a single metal cylinder or rod can be said to "bind." Multiple bars can bind, as in bars across a prison window binding someone in jail, and a single bar can be bound in place, as with your cannon bar that appears to be bound to a wooden frame. But for a bar (singular) to do the binding, it requires something flexible (like rope) to be wrapped around it. And then we're describing a capstan.
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Post by choice on Mar 21, 2022 19:38:41 GMT -5
Mar 20, 2022 18:38:27 GMT -7 diceycat said: last time I saw a picture of a Witch she was green with a big hooked nose. May be so but JJP himself said in the prize ceremony that she was a witch.
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Post by diceycat on Mar 21, 2022 20:17:42 GMT -5
A bar, by one definition, can be a rigid cylinder, usually made of metal. A capstan is also a rigid cylinder, usually made of metal. Neither of those definitions is controversial.
But the other word in the phrase from our verse is "bind." A capstan binds rope by holding it in place (via friction). I don't know of any other way in which a single metal cylinder or rod can be said to "bind." Multiple bars can bind, as in bars across a prison window binding someone in jail, and a single bar can be bound in place, as with your cannon bar that appears to be bound to a wooden frame. But for a bar (singular) to do the binding, it requires something flexible (like rope) to be wrapped around it. And then we're describing a capstan.
The line says “ below the bar that binds” .So the bar could actually bind the cannon to the metal walls or it could be a bar that holds “ binds” the walls together. The function / purpose of the bar is to bind , to hold together. Would you write something like “ the staple bind the paper together “ or “the staple binds the paper together “ . I think the latter. Again you could look at it as an action. A lot of different ways to look at it. Now show me the capstan in the painting. Sorry could not find where it says a bar is a capstan by definition .Could you post that source.
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Post by theo on Mar 21, 2022 20:53:06 GMT -5
Meh. I don't think there's any real need to convince you. It's not as if the thing can be proven, anyway. If the casque was buried at the base of the Maine monument, it was destroyed in 2007 when the monument was replaced. People will probably keep searching in other places for eternity.
I don't know much about Byron Preiss, but just from his social circles we can guess that he spent a few lazy summer weekends sailing in New York Harbor or on Long Island Sound. He knew what a capstan was and he knew how to use it to bind or secure a rope. The use of the word "bar"? Who knows? Maybe he just liked the alliteration, and what else would he say if he didn't want to make it completely obvious? ("The barrel that binds"?) In any case, dig away.
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Post by diceycat on Mar 21, 2022 20:56:33 GMT -5
Mar 20, 2022 18:38:27 GMT -7 diceycat said: last time I saw a picture of a Witch she was green with a big hooked nose. May be so but JJP himself said in the prize ceremony that she was a witch. If that’s supposed to be a Witch , then WOW. What ever JJP says I take with a grain of salt anyways. Didn’t he say that there wasn’t a casque in one of those cities when there actually was. He’s not going to tell the truth. This keeps the hunt going .
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Post by diceycat on Mar 21, 2022 21:05:47 GMT -5
Meh. I don't think there's any real need to convince you. It's not as if the thing can be proven, anyway. If the casque was buried at the base of the Maine monument, it was destroyed in 2007 when the monument was replaced. People will probably keep searching in other places for eternity. I don't know much about Byron Preiss, but just from his social circles we can guess that he spent a few lazy summer weekends sailing in New York Harbor or on Long Island Sound. He knew what a capstan was and he knew how to use it to bind or secure a rope. The use of the word "bar"? Who knows? Maybe he just liked the alliteration, and what else would he say if he didn't want to make it completely obvious? ("The barrel that binds"?) In any case, dig away. True enough. Im just posting a possible dig site that makes sense to me. If it’s not there so what. If someone wants to give it a shot then make sure you follow all the rules and regulations out there when digging ( pretty much a no dig site anyways). Thinking about the line again “ below the bar that binds” . So don’t you think the bar is above the sand? Or is the bar that binds below the 2 arms extended. I doubt he is using the word below to dig in the sand . You already know it’s in the sand so exactly where? If the capstan is a bar then there is a very large area to checkout . It’s not impossible and you would have to wait for the shadow at 4pm. It still could be there if it was far enough away. Not saying that it wasn’t buried by the capstan , that’s always a possibility since 40 years and much changes. It’s difficult to confirm or deny. I’m sure JJP knows and he’s not telling. Japanese hints below
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Post by diceycat on Mar 22, 2022 8:10:01 GMT -5
If we look at the lions mane ( USS Maine capstan) it is north of the centre point in the painting and the capstan is north of my dig site. It could be inches north or miles north but it’s still north of. The fact that the lion intersects with the white point of the butterfly wing is also a clue as to the location for the capstan of the USS Maine at the tip of the White point garden. The other thing which may play a part is that I think the woman’s breast also represent cannons ( a slang term used in the 60s) so why that little triangle on the lower edge of her left side bra? It’s a bird beak more specifically a parrot ( for the Parrott cannon). So now you have the Parrott cannon the palm shadow and the mortar cannon all together. Just more image confirmation in pic below
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Post by theo on Mar 22, 2022 9:31:24 GMT -5
Totally irrelevant, but did anyone spot the error in the capstan clipart I posted yesterday? In its earliest form, the capstan consisted of a timber mounted vertically through a vessel's structure which was free to rotate. Levers, known as bars, were inserted through holes at the top of the timber and used to turn the capstan. A rope wrapped several turns around the drum was thus hauled upon. A rudimentary ratchet was provided to hold the tension. The ropes were always wound in a clockwise direction (seen from above). The illustration has the guys walking in the right direction and it even includes the ratchet at the bottom to keep the capstan from turning backwards, but the rope is wound the wrong way! The ratchet wouldn't work at all with the way the rope is wound there. Maybe the artist didn't want to mess up his nice picture of a sailor by having him step over a rope? The clipart below shows how it should really look.
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Post by diceycat on Mar 22, 2022 9:34:38 GMT -5
You see , artists do make mistakes
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Post by diceycat on Mar 26, 2022 16:48:33 GMT -5
Again just more confirmation to the casque location ( the way I see it). Not to say one should do this but , If I had the legal opportunity to check this area out I would use a cordless rechargeable power drill with an 18 inch narrow drill bit ( maybe something like a masonry bit), to easily punch through the ground . I doubt he buried it deep and should you happen to hit the casque you would know it since you would drop into an empty space. There would be a risk of damage to the casque and contents though. Now even though I called her hair “ Burr Oak” I think it’s more likely Sawtooth Oak. Both nuts are similar looking. Looking at the root system of that tree , it looks like it’s been there for 100 years.
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I have several solves but need someone like Josh Gates to get permission to dig for one of them.
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Post by wbgrimesii on Mar 27, 2022 6:58:59 GMT -5
That park seems to be very popular.. So it would be hard to do that without permission.. And it doesn't seem like that is easily obtained.
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Post by diceycat on Mar 27, 2022 7:50:47 GMT -5
There are plenty of risk takers out there. I’m sure someone will try it. The only problem is if one wants to claim the gem or make it public then the park authorities would track you down.
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Post by diceycat on Mar 27, 2022 11:08:11 GMT -5
I called them risk takers but for some ,you might be looked at as a “bad guy” if you happen to dig in a park that doesn’t allow it. Unless you get permission first.
I don’t think anyone considers someone bad if they happen to find the casque in a different setting where probing/digging is allowed. The times have changed, parks policies have changed. Even the Chicago casque finders kept quiet about their adventures till they uncovered it, probably thinking someone would stop them.
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Post by diceycat on May 23, 2023 9:10:07 GMT -5
Just adding more the the possibility that the Mortar gun plays a part in the casques location.
The shape of the white stones that surround the monument might play a part in the Diamond or painting itself.
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