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Post by seannm on Jul 18, 2018 16:46:39 GMT -5
I'm not real savvy on forums but like to follow along sometimes. This blog seems quiet in comparison to others and more my speed. This thread seems interesting and not really in line with what Mr. Fenn has said about how to solve the poem. Why do folks put so much time in on the comments and scrap books looking for hints? This seems like it may be the reason the treasure has not been found thus far. I don't post comments anywhere...but have read everything there is to read @ Dal Neitzel's site; there is a lot there. Xfactor, I personally believe that there is just too much noise out there, too much information. And it may be impossible for one to isolate, with any level of certainty, any information that leads to the treasure out of all that is out there from Forrest: TFTW, OUAW, scrapbooks, featured Q & A’s , random questions, special questions, weekly words, interviews, articles and so on and so on, without ones personal beliefs or biases making them belief that what they see and or read is in fact a hint or some sort of pattern that may may not help you with a clue. I am of the opinion that sticking with the basic evidence provided: TTOTC, which contains the poem, may be the best way to mitigate confirmation bias, and possibly even going to the extreme of focusing solely on the mere 166 words contained within the poem, to lead you to the end of his rainbow and the treasure. Just anothers opinion. Seannm |
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Post by xfactor on Jul 19, 2018 11:35:11 GMT -5
Like I said...adding all of the info since the beginning seems to make a big jumbled mess that is counter- productive to how Fenn said the best way to solve his poem is. I've read every comment on Dal's site since the beginning...and the same players keep saying the same things with minor adjustments to compensate for later things Fenn has said. I will continue to evaluate and remain mum. There is no sense in trying to be in the limelight...
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jul 19, 2018 20:36:36 GMT -5
I would say, if you don't have a strong candidate solution covering at least the first few clues, then reading the Scrapbooks and MW Q&A's, watching Forrest's videos and interviews, or going through the books with a fine-toothed comb is not going to help one iota. BUT: once you DO have a good start, those resources can pay dividends -- provided you've got the correct WWWH.
Forrest has created an original form of treasure hunt: one in which he maintains active participation. From a puzzle-designing perspective, this is smart if you want the puzzle to be both solvable but last a long time (years rather than months). You start by making it a bit too hard to solve (as best as you can estimate), and then monitor progress for awhile. Then trickle out a few hints or clues to gently steer folks in the right direction. In the past (I think on this board?) I've called this "tickling the dragon's tail," to borrow from the Manhattan Project. It's dangerous: say the wrong thing, and the whole thing gets solved in a matter of days. A bit of a game of cat and mouse.
Forrest had over a decade to think this through and come up with a hint system that is helpful to those on the right track, but utterly useless (and even counterproductive) to those who haven't because those folks will endlessly be pursuing rabbit holes.
WWWH is a puzzle -- a riddle to be solved. That's step one. But it doesn't isolate the precise starting point; that's the main filter to progress.
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Post by xfactor on Jul 20, 2018 5:10:34 GMT -5
I believe that Forrest Fenn is ambivalent as to when or even if his poem is solved. If people do not believe this is true it then becomes a mind game with themselves and they can convince themselves of anything. His riddle has stumped everyone and those that have gotten close did so unknowingly. If a searcher discovers where the first clue is I think they have to stay focused on the poem and not the years of ambiguous statements and stories. The clues are in the poem and not outside of it.
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Post by goldwatch on Jul 20, 2018 8:14:28 GMT -5
I would say, if you don't have a strong candidate solution covering at least the first few clues, then reading the Scrapbooks and MW Q&A's, watching Forrest's videos and interviews, or going through the books with a fine-toothed comb is not going to help one iota. BUT: once you DO have a good start, those resources can pay dividends -- provided you've got the correct WWWH. Forrest has created an original form of treasure hunt: one in which he maintains active participation. From a puzzle-designing perspective, this is smart if you want the puzzle to be both solvable but last a long time (years rather than months). You start by making it a bit too hard to solve (as best as you can estimate), and then monitor progress for awhile. Then trickle out a few hints or clues to gently steer folks in the right direction. In the past (I think on this board?) I've called this "tickling the dragon's tail," to borrow from the Manhattan Project. It's dangerous: say the wrong thing, and the whole thing gets solved in a matter of days. A bit of a game of cat and mouse. Forrest had over a decade to think this through and come up with a hint system that is helpful to those on the right track, but utterly useless (and even counterproductive) to those who haven't because those folks will endlessly be pursuing rabbit holes. WWWH is a puzzle -- a riddle to be solved. That's step one. But it doesn't isolate the precise starting point; that's the main filter to progress. That's an interesting comment, Zaphod. I never heard that "tickling the dragon's tail" before and looked it up. Flirting with the possibility of a nuclear chain reaction, critical mass and all that stuff I vaguely understand. But I agree that Forrest has a system for the hints so that he doesn't accidentally spill the whole can of beans. A wall of sorts, built into this system to prevent that from happening. But it doesn't matter to the search until you get into the several precise systems under that umbrella. Which I think I only see the edges of the architecture. |
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Post by xfactor on Jul 21, 2018 13:17:28 GMT -5
We believe^^^ wolf, I have watched the forums since the beginning of Fenn's Treasure Hunt. First Dal's and then the others that began to appear and disappear. Some have thrived and lived on in some fashion or other. I have paid close attention to the cast of characters and their ideas. It is interesting to note that the revolving door still has every searcher in exactly the same place as the original group of searchers, no closer than the first two clues. I think Fenn may have added the maybe four clues comment to bolster some hope. There are a lot of searchers that still hold on to the hope that maybe they are correct in their assumptions even though it is quite possible they are not even close. It is certainly not my position or inclination to offer any advice on how any searcher should proceed. My opinion will not change the cycle. My original comment still stands, the clues are in the poem and not outside it. Solve the riddle in the poem that starts with learning where the first clue is. Good luck.
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Post by mikemarcum879 on Jul 21, 2018 16:25:47 GMT -5
At Moby Dickens video - Mr. Fenn says: "They're contiguous. I knew where I wanted to hide the treasure chest. So it was easy for me to put one foot down and then step on it to get to the next foot. " Ok, we have used this to justify how the clues must be followed in order, but put that aside for a second. The master puzzle maker always embeds a subtle surprise within the intended message. Something much more important but almost invisible until it use becomes obvious we are on the path of discovery. This statement has always bothered me. Mr. Fenn is fairly good at articulating his points, but this statement is explained very awkwardly (kind of what I am doing right now  ). If one looks at it the way he intended, it will make perfect sense. Can anyone else see the significance of this awkward contiguous statement? Is the answer printed on the treasure chest full of gold coins? "Fortunately, I talked a museum friend into selling me his beautiful cast bronze chest that had three-dimensional female figures on its four sides and on the lid. I know I paid way too much for it but once in a while something comes along that is so special as to discount all logical rules of value."~TOTTCIs it coincidence that we have "coined" a new phrase, form where those " coins" are hidden... Let’s coin a new phrase. You can’t have a “correct solve” unless you can knowingly go to within several steps of the treasure chest. Otherwise you have a “general solve.” What do you think? f [MW]What about the bottom of the TC We haven't seen what it had on it. |
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Post by The Wolf on Aug 5, 2018 13:25:00 GMT -5
Someday we will see the bottom of that treasure chest. I enjoyed returning for a short visit, but I am going to check out now, perhaps I will return someday when the time is right. Take care.
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Post by heidini on Aug 6, 2018 21:43:25 GMT -5
Someday we will see the bottom of that treasure chest. I enjoyed returning for a short visit, but I am going to check out now, perhaps I will return someday when the time is right. Take care. What? You are checking out? |
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Post by The Wolf on Sept 25, 2018 10:27:01 GMT -5
To get this thread back on topic, I have published the technique for unlocking the poem at www.findingfenn.com (searcher's blog) for those who have access, which allowed me to solve the two riddles in clues one and two. There is more to the contiguous clues statement than what meets the eye. Following this unique method could lead the finder to the 9th clue by removing all the noise and vagueness within the clues. 1000 places where warm waters halt can easily be narrowed to one, with the right method. The Wolf |
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). If one looks at it the way he intended, it will make perfect sense.