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Post by Jenny on Jun 25, 2018 7:44:50 GMT -5
Page 17
Border Phrases:
The Last in Line One of Four Tradition Carries All In A Name
Believed to be Stotesbury sitting in chair with Downeast Times
Red Letter Word: ECHO (Blue E and C)
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Post by stiparest on Oct 30, 2018 10:49:30 GMT -5
I just found this and put it next to the (reversed) illustration from page 17. Someone mentioned they thought it was supposed to be J.D. Rockefeller Jr. in the illustration because he was one of four children and the last in line. But there were five children, and he was the youngest. One of his older sisters died as a child, so he was one of four surviving children. Stotesbury was the owner of Wingwood House, shown in the background, so it's probably him on pg 17.
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Post by susb8383 on Oct 30, 2018 18:05:41 GMT -5
You know why I think it's Rockefeller?
1) The man has no mustache. If it's supposed to be Stotesbury, why draw him without one?
2) He looks more like Rockefeller. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_D._Rockefeller_Jr.)
3) Rockefeller was so instrumental in establishing Acadia and the carriage roads, you'd think he'd be in the book somewhere.
4) "some magistrate in-his-own-mind" Words connected with hyphens stand out to me. If you take the first letters, you get "his mom."
5) Guess what Rockefeller's mother's name was? Wait for it.....Celestia! (just discovered that a minute ago).
But as you mentioned, the building is clearly Wingwood. And then there's the thing under the table. I always thought it was a cannon, but I read that Stotesbury had a projector built into the house.
Someone on Tweleve also mentioned John Jacob Astor. He had a cottage on MDI, and his wealth was from a fur-trading company ("Everyone gets skinned!")
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Post by stiparest on Oct 30, 2018 18:23:06 GMT -5
sub8383 - Yes, Stotesbury had a mustache, but J.D. Rockefeller had hair & wore glasses, not shown in the illustration. And would either of them have worn pajamas out in public?! I doubt it. So really, neither fits perfectly, and I think who it is doesn't matter to the solution. I just think Pel used this image when painting the picture for this page. It is cool that his mother was Celestia!
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Post by ana on Oct 30, 2018 20:30:23 GMT -5
Very cool find both of you!
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Post by jonsey1 on Nov 1, 2018 0:22:49 GMT -5
Also interesting (I don't know who the person depicted is) but the house pictured is indeed the Wingwood, which was Stotesbury's. Prior to being the Wingwood it was "Four Acres"
Maybe-
All in a name+One of Four = Acre
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Post by ILLUMINATINPS on Nov 3, 2018 20:56:48 GMT -5
If "its all in the book" and all that is needed is the book, then I'm gonna say No to either Rockefeller or Stotesbury. Not to mention, Rockefeller is 5th if you count his dead sister. They both would require historical knowledge outside the book. Ive shifted on this one and feel way more confident in my current approach. I think the author made it pretty crystal clear in his Blog Talk interview that drawings of landmarks in the illustrations are there just for fun for when you actually go to visit the island. People made this same mistake in Masquerade because they recognized places in the illustrations and jumped to conclusions. Some even showed up on Kit William's doorstep with shovels covered in mud. Talk about confirmation bias.
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Post by astree on Nov 4, 2018 6:54:19 GMT -5
If "its all in the book" and all that is needed is the book, then I'm gonna say No to either Rockefeller or Stotesbury. Not to mention, Rockefeller is 5th if you count his dead sister. They both would require historical knowledge outside the book. Ive shifted on this one and feel way more confident in my current approach. I think the author made it pretty crystal clear in his Blog Talk interview that drawings of landmarks in the illustrations are there just for fun for when you actually go to visit the island. People made this same mistake in Masquerade because they recognized places in the illustrations and jumped to conclusions. Some even showed up on Kit William's doorstep with shovels covered in mud. Talk about confirmation bias. illuminatinps I was going to make this point anwhile ago but didnt want to dampen the enthusiasm. The authors did incorporate history (and landmarks) into the puzzle, per their interview, for fun, but everything you need should be in the book. the last in linE, could refer to the E (its one of four letters in “line”), as E and EAST is given in a number of ways on that and nearby pages ( like the multiple TO E on the nearby illustration ), as well as other meanings.
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Post by susb8383 on Nov 4, 2018 8:49:01 GMT -5
If "its all in the book" and all that is needed is the book, then I'm gonna say No to either Rockefeller or Stotesbury. Not to mention, Rockefeller is 5th if you count his dead sister. They both would require historical knowledge outside the book. Ive shifted on this one and feel way more confident in my current approach. I think the author made it pretty crystal clear in his Blog Talk interview that drawings of landmarks in the illustrations are there just for fun for when you actually go to visit the island. True, but this interview says, "Mr. Stockwell says the riddles can be solved without ever stepping foot on MDI, although a certain familiarity with the island’s interesting geography and history would be helpful."
If all of the things he put in the illustrations that are actual landmarks or people of MDI are just there for fun, then why would he say "a certain familiarity with the island’s ... history would be helpful"? I wouldn't consider those things helpful, just interesting.
I know most people think "can be solved with just the book" means that we should never go to Google or any other external reference. But...that's not how I interpret it. Unless you're born with a knowledge of how polybius squares work, or have morse code memorized, or know every constellation by heart, you've already had to go to something outside the book.
Kit Williams said the same thing about Masquerade, ""Williams announced publicly that his forthcoming book contained all clues necessary to decode the treasure's precise location in Britain..." Which was true, but you still needed to know that Catherine was the sixth wife of Henry the VIII, that Ampthill was a town in England, and the nearby park contained a monument to her. Unless you used external references, "close by Ampthill" wouldn't mean a thing unless you happened to live there.
I don't mean to get in to a big discussion about this because how to interpret "everything you need is in the book" is purely speculative, and there are good arguments to be made on both sides. IMO We're not going to know what exactly Pel meant until Thanksgiving, 2020.
But...personally, I think if all the assumptions we've made about this hunt were valid, the key would have been found by now.
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Post by susb8383 on Nov 4, 2018 8:52:02 GMT -5
Also interesting (I don't know who the person depicted is) but the house pictured is indeed the Wingwood, which was Stotesbury's. Prior to being the Wingwood it was "Four Acres" Maybe- All in a name+One of Four = Acre Interesting, BTW.
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Post by ILLUMINATINPS on Nov 4, 2018 15:28:29 GMT -5
If "its all in the book" and all that is needed is the book, then I'm gonna say No to either Rockefeller or Stotesbury. Not to mention, Rockefeller is 5th if you count his dead sister. They both would require historical knowledge outside the book. Ive shifted on this one and feel way more confident in my current approach. I think the author made it pretty crystal clear in his Blog Talk interview that drawings of landmarks in the illustrations are there just for fun for when you actually go to visit the island. People made this same mistake in Masquerade because they recognized places in the illustrations and jumped to conclusions. Some even showed up on Kit William's doorstep with shovels covered in mud. Talk about confirmation bias. illuminatinps I was going to make this point anwhile ago but didnt want to dampen the enthusiasm. The authors did incorporate history (and landmarks) into the puzzle, per their interview, for fun, but everything you need should be in the book. the last in linE, could refer to the E (its one of four letters in “line”), as E and EAST is given in a number of ways on that and nearby pages ( like the multiple TO E on the nearby illustration ), as well as other meanings. I agree 100%. It could be as simple as one of four directions. I got my money on North, and I have good reason
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Post by stiparest on Nov 4, 2018 17:38:49 GMT -5
If "its all in the book" and all that is needed is the book, then I'm gonna say No to either Rockefeller or Stotesbury. Not to mention, Rockefeller is 5th if you count his dead sister. They both would require historical knowledge outside the book. Ive shifted on this one and feel way more confident in my current approach. I think the author made it pretty crystal clear in his Blog Talk interview that drawings of landmarks in the illustrations are there just for fun for when you actually go to visit the island. People made this same mistake in Masquerade because they recognized places in the illustrations and jumped to conclusions. Some even showed up on Kit William's doorstep with shovels covered in mud. Talk about confirmation bias.
I agree. It's fun to research this stuff, but I don't think it plays any part in the master riddle.
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Post by goldhunter on Nov 16, 2018 20:53:50 GMT -5
Fwiw...he is wearing whale pajamas and Rockefeller is credited with saving the whales. At least some of them.
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Post by susb8383 on Nov 17, 2018 17:15:09 GMT -5
Wow, that's cool! The other thing I like about Rockefeller is that "Tradition Carries" could reference that fact that he was named after his father.
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Post by susb8383 on Nov 17, 2018 17:15:45 GMT -5
I also thought "All in a name" was a cryptic clue until I realized I was spelling Rockafeller wrong [sic].
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