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Post by mcb on Jan 18, 2019 5:26:08 GMT -5
Correct sequence confirmed:
S V R W Y U L O K K O Z M I E A Y U L F U T I I T Y W B L B H K A V C A Z U A U M W X C L L Q F R M J M Y P J L S V L C U S O K L L I C T X B X A C U H R B V G
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Post by ironwill on Jan 18, 2019 7:17:11 GMT -5
Correct sequence confirmed: S V R W Y Well that's good. I sent her the same string last night to ask for confirmation. I don't have to wait for a reply now lol
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Post by fennster on Jan 18, 2019 9:38:34 GMT -5
I guess that puts to rest any ideas of the pieces being placed in a vertical orientation after transcription.
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Post by ironwill on Jan 18, 2019 12:13:13 GMT -5
I guess that puts to rest any ideas of the pieces being placed in a vertical orientation after transcription. Not really. It just confirms the string up to that point. It could still be pre-transposed. I flirtingly asked Jenny if I was supposed to make "Alphabet Soup" with that character string earlier. Hope she finds it funny enough to give some shred of advice. If its Vigenere, then its just a matter of finding the key. I have tried all of these to no success.... KEY THRILLOFTHECHASE THETHRILLOFTHECHASE WORD SPECIALWORDS JENNYKILE FORRESTFENN FORRESTBURKEFENN MYSTERIOUSWRITINGS GETYOURQUESTONWITHMW GETYOURQUESTONWITHMYSTERIOUSWRITINGS TREASURETHEADVENTURE THIRTYFOUR DISCOVER SECRET VIGENERE I don't know what else to do
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Post by harrytruman on Jan 18, 2019 12:31:31 GMT -5
Correct sequence confirmed: Wow, so how did you know that this was the correct sequence? There were multiple possibilities using the TOTC grid, and following a sequencing of the letters in "Thrill of the Chase" that produced a magic square in which the rows, columns, AND diagonals produced equal sums seemed the most logical. This sequencing produces a magic square in which the rows and columns produce equal sums but the diagonals are way off. Was there some hint that indicated we should be looking for a flawed magic square, instead of the more elegant (and obvious) option? If not, I think I can understand Genetic Blend's frustration...
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Post by ironwill on Jan 18, 2019 12:36:00 GMT -5
Correct sequence confirmed: Wow, so how did you know that this was the correct sequence? There were multiple possibilities using the TOTC grid, and following a sequencing of the letters in "Thrill of the Chase" that produced a magic square in which the rows, columns, AND diagonals produced equal sums seemed the most logical. This sequencing produces a magic square in which the rows and columns produce equal sums but the diagonals are way off. Was there some hint that indicated we should be looking for a flawed magic square, instead of the more elegant (and obvious) option? If not, I think I can understand Genetic Blend's frustration... Because Jenny said she would confirm any correct character strings, so he must've asked her. I asked the same string to her, before I saw his post, and she replied "yes, as noted on thread" so there ya go.
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Post by harrytruman on Jan 18, 2019 12:49:59 GMT -5
Wow, so how did you know that this was the correct sequence? There were multiple possibilities using the TOTC grid, and following a sequencing of the letters in "Thrill of the Chase" that produced a magic square in which the rows, columns, AND diagonals produced equal sums seemed the most logical. This sequencing produces a magic square in which the rows and columns produce equal sums but the diagonals are way off. Was there some hint that indicated we should be looking for a flawed magic square, instead of the more elegant (and obvious) option? If not, I think I can understand Genetic Blend's frustration... Because Jenny said she would confirm any correct character strings, so he must've asked her. I asked the same string to her, before I saw his post, and she replied "yes, as noted on thread" so there ya go. Yeah, I got that from McB's use of the word "confirmed." What I'm curious about is whether all of the stages in this puzzle have (or follow) an internal logic, or if the solutions to one or more steps are random (and thus likely reliant on hints/confirmations outside the puzzle), if that makes sense.
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Post by mcb on Jan 18, 2019 12:59:49 GMT -5
Because Jenny said she would confirm any correct character strings, so he must've asked her. I asked the same string to her, before I saw his post, and she replied "yes, as noted on thread" so there ya go. Yeah, I got that from McB's use of the word "confirmed." What I'm curious about is whether all of the stages in this puzzle have (or follow) an internal logic, or if the solutions to one or more steps are random (and thus likely reliant on hints/confirmations outside the puzzle), if that makes sense. Unfortunately, here is my limit. I believe the answer to the next step is in the book. I'd like to know more about "The Forgotten Word". Jenny said the resolution is similar. So solving one, gets easier to solve the other.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jan 18, 2019 13:09:35 GMT -5
Correct sequence confirmed: Wow, so how did you know that this was the correct sequence? There were multiple possibilities using the TOTC grid, and following a sequencing of the letters in "Thrill of the Chase" that produced a magic square in which the rows, columns, AND diagonals produced equal sums seemed the most logical. This sequencing produces a magic square in which the rows and columns produce equal sums but the diagonals are way off. Was there some hint that indicated we should be looking for a flawed magic square, instead of the more elegant (and obvious) option? If not, I think I can understand Genetic Blend's frustration... Hi Harry -- I think you are misinterpreting how to APPLY the magic square provided by the anagram. This is the magic square:
8-11-14-1 13-2-7-12 3-16-9-6 10-5-4-15
34 across every row, column and the two major diagonals. Out of the 48 permutations that spell out THRILL OF THE CHASE, this is the only one that is a magic square. Now *I* would have laid out the puzzle pieces in this order: 8th puzzle piece in upper left, then 11th piece next to it, and so forth. Jenny didn't. She laid them out sequentially like this:
1-2-3-4 5-6-7-8 9-10-11-12 13-14-15-16
and then extracted them from the square in the order that spells out THRILL OF THE CHASE: 4th puzzle piece first, then 6th, 9th and so forth. Like IronWill, I still think there is ambiguity about whether SVRWYULOKKOZMIE... is the correct final order, or whether we must take the vertical orientation of the codes/letters within each key into consideration. At least it's only two possibilities, which is manageable.
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Post by mcb on Jan 18, 2019 13:21:25 GMT -5
Wow, so how did you know that this was the correct sequence? There were multiple possibilities using the TOTC grid, and following a sequencing of the letters in "Thrill of the Chase" that produced a magic square in which the rows, columns, AND diagonals produced equal sums seemed the most logical. This sequencing produces a magic square in which the rows and columns produce equal sums but the diagonals are way off. Was there some hint that indicated we should be looking for a flawed magic square, instead of the more elegant (and obvious) option? If not, I think I can understand Genetic Blend's frustration... Hi Harry -- I think you are misinterpreting how to APPLY the magic square provided by the anagram. This is the magic square:
8-11-14-1 13-2-7-12 3-16-9-6 10-5-4-15
34 across every row, column and the two major diagonals. Out of the 48 permutations that spell out THRILL OF THE CHASE, this is the only one that is a magic square. Now *I* would have laid out the puzzle pieces in this order: 8th puzzle piece in upper left, then 11th piece next to it, and so forth. Jenny didn't. She laid them out sequentially like this:
1-2-3-4 5-6-7-8 9-10-11-12 13-14-15-16
and then extracted them from the square in the order that spells out THRILL OF THE CHASE: 4th puzzle piece first, then 6th, 9th and so forth. Like IronWill, I still think there is ambiguity about whether SVRWYULOKKOZMIE... is the correct final order, or whether we must take the vertical orientation of the codes/letters within each key into consideration. At least it's only two possibilities, which is manageable.
Reading the letters horizontally on each line, as listed below, is incorrect. S U O A U Y H A M L J L U L B H V L Z Y T W K Z W Q M S S I X R R O M U I B A U X F Y V O C A B W K I L I L V A C R P L K T C V Y K E F T B C U L M J C L X U G
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Post by mcb on Jan 18, 2019 13:28:01 GMT -5
The question now is, "What do you do with these letters?" It should be methodical. From what I've noticed, Jenny follows a certain logical line in the puzzle she develops. She used Vigenere in one sentence on page 07. It was quite easy to find the key. But in this case ... there is nothing in the result of the magic square that gives any hint.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jan 18, 2019 13:57:25 GMT -5
Hi Harry -- I think you are misinterpreting how to APPLY the magic square provided by the anagram. This is the magic square:
8-11-14-1 13-2-7-12 3-16-9-6 10-5-4-15
34 across every row, column and the two major diagonals. Out of the 48 permutations that spell out THRILL OF THE CHASE, this is the only one that is a magic square. Now *I* would have laid out the puzzle pieces in this order: 8th puzzle piece in upper left, then 11th piece next to it, and so forth. Jenny didn't. She laid them out sequentially like this:
1-2-3-4 5-6-7-8 9-10-11-12 13-14-15-16
and then extracted them from the square in the order that spells out THRILL OF THE CHASE: 4th puzzle piece first, then 6th, 9th and so forth. Like IronWill, I still think there is ambiguity about whether SVRWYULOKKOZMIE... is the correct final order, or whether we must take the vertical orientation of the codes/letters within each key into consideration. At least it's only two possibilities, which is manageable.
Reading the letters horizontally on each line, as listed below, is incorrect. S U O A U Y H A M L J L U L B H V L Z Y T W K Z W Q M S S I X R R O M U I B A U X F Y V O C A B W K I L I L V A C R P L K T C V Y K E F T B C U L M J C L X U G McB: you don't know that unless you EXPLICITLY asked Jenny. From my exchange with her, all she confirmed was that the ordering of the puzzle pieces was correct. She was silent on whether horizontal or vertical letters within each puzzle piece was important. While I believe that SVRWYULOKKOZMIE... is more likely correct, nothing that Jenny has told me rules out the other possibility. If no one has put that exact question to her, then perhaps someone should.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jan 18, 2019 14:02:33 GMT -5
The question now is, "What do you do with these letters?" It should be methodical. From what I've noticed, Jenny follows a certain logical line in the puzzle she develops. She used Vigenere in one sentence on page 07. It was quite easy to find the key. But in this case ... there is nothing in the result of the magic square that gives any hint. McB: it is almost certainly Vigenere since she used it on pages 7, 54 and 100. It is absolutely polyalphabetic substitution, and since Vig is the only example of that type that she uses in her book, anything more complicated than that (e.g. Quagmire III) would be unfair to her readers.
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Post by mcb on Jan 18, 2019 14:13:42 GMT -5
Reading the letters horizontally on each line, as listed below, is incorrect. S U O A U Y H A M L J L U L B H V L Z Y T W K Z W Q M S S I X R R O M U I B A U X F Y V O C A B W K I L I L V A C R P L K T C V Y K E F T B C U L M J C L X U G McB: you don't know that unless you EXPLICITLY asked Jenny. From my exchange with her, all she confirmed was that the ordering of the puzzle pieces was correct. She was silent on whether horizontal or vertical letters within each puzzle piece was important. While I believe that ... is more likely correct, nothing that Jenny has told me rules out the other possibility. If no one has put that exact question to her, then perhaps someone should. It was asked. SVRWYULOKKOZMIE is the correct.
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Post by mcb on Jan 18, 2019 14:29:10 GMT -5
The question now is, "What do you do with these letters?" It should be methodical. From what I've noticed, Jenny follows a certain logical line in the puzzle she develops. She used Vigenere in one sentence on page 07. It was quite easy to find the key. But in this case ... there is nothing in the result of the magic square that gives any hint. McB: it is almost certainly Vigenere since she used it on pages 7, 54 and 100. It is absolutely polyalphabetic substitution, and since Vig is the only example of that type that she uses in her book, anything more complicated than that (e.g. Quagmire III) would be unfair to her readers. I also think it's Vigenere. But... There is also the possibility to use the reverse order of the letters or of keyword, or key-phrase. (23 -13... Remember?)
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