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Post by nkown on Feb 4, 2019 10:33:08 GMT -5
I've been gone a while from the blogs. Before reading this you might want to review my Giant Summary of Methods and Thoughts post from June, 2018.http://mysteriouswritings.proboards.com/thread/2156/giant-summary-methods-thoughts-long
Knowing that very specific information must be embedded in the poem and that TTOTC is not really a memoir I've spent a ton of time looking for mechanisms to unlock the poem. However, I've not had much time to work on it the last year. So I'd like to team up. I think it's important that this is solved while FF is still with us.
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A note to newcomers: one of the biggest challenges with The Chase imo is that it requires a very deep dive in order to even begin to figure out a solve. I have tried to get smart people interested only to find that they didn't want to spend the initial time diving into this very broad and deep puzzle. You will not get far by simply treating the poem like a metaphor or symbolism for locations. You must read the book, the scrapbooks, and more... then go back through.
OK... here's my proposal.
Each of 24 chapters of TTOTC is itself a puzzle that unlocks a line of the poem. Some are doable, some I have no idea where to begin. Here's an example:
I started with the most absurd chapters wondering why they would be included in a memoir if not to serve as part of the puzzle. First among them -- No Place for Biddies -- a completely useless chapter that does not move any narrative along. But, FF hints to us that spelling does not matter... if knowlege means the same as knowledge then perhaps we need to read phonetically. Maybe that's also why he said a child might have more success... they are learning to read. No place for biddies... no place for bee-dees. No place for b / d. Removing the b's and d's from the poem did nothing for me -- at first. However, once I looked at things similarly and phonetically it clearly leant meaning to a single line of the poem. One down, 23 to go.
Me in the Middle. That chapter is one page and states the obvious, he is a middle child. "I was in the middle and that was significant." Well, 'i' is indeed dead in the middle of the poem. And in this case ME = I . Another line down, 22 to go.
You can see where this is headed. Tea with Olga? That's a good next step for you all. T. PM me if you figure that one and we can begin to work as partners.
I should add that there is one very important thing you need to do with the poem in order for anything at all to work. FF tells us what to do on the very first page of the book and if you don't do that, then you should start over.
I do believe this can be solved discretely and unambiguously just as FF has said. Almost no one is treating it like the puzzle it is.
-- nkown
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Post by npsbuilder on Feb 4, 2019 23:45:12 GMT -5
I've been gone a while from the blogs. Before reading this you might want to review my Giant Summary of Methods and Thoughts post from June, 2018.http://mysteriouswritings.proboards.com/thread/2156/giant-summary-methods-thoughts-long Knowing that very specific information must be embedded in the poem and that TTOTC is not really a memoir I've spent a ton of time looking for mechanisms to unlock the poem. However, I've not had much time to work on it the last year. So I'd like to team up. I think it's important that this is solved while FF is still with us. [sidenote] A note to newcomers: one of the biggest challenges with The Chase imo is that it requires a very deep dive in order to even begin to figure out a solve. I have tried to get smart people interested only to find that they didn't want to spend the initial time diving into this very broad and deep puzzle. You will not get far by simply treating the poem like a metaphor or symbolism for locations. You must read the book, the scrapbooks, and more... then go back through. OK... here's my proposal. Each of 24 chapters of TTOTC is itself a puzzle that unlocks a line of the poem. Some are doable, some I have no idea where to begin. Here's an example: I started with the most absurd chapters wondering why they would be included in a memoir if not to serve as part of the puzzle. First among them -- No Place for Biddies -- a completely useless chapter that does not move any narrative along. But, FF hints to us that spelling does not matter... if knowlege means the same as knowledge then perhaps we need to read phonetically. Maybe that's also why he said a child might have more success... they are learning to read. No place for biddies... no place for bee-dees. No place for b / d. Removing the b's and d's from the poem did nothing for me -- at first. However, once I looked at things similarly and phonetically it clearly leant meaning to a single line of the poem. One down, 23 to go. Me in the Middle. That chapter is one page and states the obvious, he is a middle child. "I was in the middle and that was significant." Well, 'i' is indeed dead in the middle of the poem. And in this case ME = I . Another line down, 22 to go. You can see where this is headed. Tea with Olga? That's a good next step for you all. T. PM me if you figure that one and we can begin to work as partners. I should add that there is one very important thing you need to do with the poem in order for anything at all to work. FF tells us what to do on the very first page of the book and if you don't do that, then you should start over. I do believe this can be solved discretely and unambiguously just as FF has said. Almost no one is treating it like the puzzle it is. -- nkown --nkown I have been working on the solve for only 5 months and made 1 trip that was a bust for reasons not related to my solve at the time. Primarily I have thought of the poem as a road map and have dug into who knows how many rabbit holes working on his point of view. I have a couple directions that works with the hints from tonight's answers. Grapette and stamina (comes to mind and may be other hints I missed due to distractions while watching) are major parts of my thinking. WWWH is the city to start. Take....not far..... is the next city. Below... is name of street (Brown relates to a specific type of paper). So on and on.. For all reading, this is IMO. I have made a couple private offers to team up and still interested to do so with someone. |
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Post by nkown on Feb 5, 2019 8:59:27 GMT -5
In my opinion if you are reading the poem like a poem... ie reading the words in order to solve... you will get as far as anyone else has, which is to say nowhere at all. I do believe the poem will make sense once it is found, but that reading it as a metaphor or series of instructions is not helpful. There is a crucial step which ff hints at but which I've only seen a few mentions of in the blogs over the years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 11:20:10 GMT -5
I've been gone a while from the blogs. Before reading this you might want to review my Giant Summary of Methods and Thoughts post from June, 2018.http://mysteriouswritings.proboards.com/thread/2156/giant-summary-methods-thoughts-long Knowing that very specific information must be embedded in the poem and that TTOTC is not really a memoir I've spent a ton of time looking for mechanisms to unlock the poem. However, I've not had much time to work on it the last year. So I'd like to team up. I think it's important that this is solved while FF is still with us. [sidenote] A note to newcomers: one of the biggest challenges with The Chase imo is that it requires a very deep dive in order to even begin to figure out a solve. I have tried to get smart people interested only to find that they didn't want to spend the initial time diving into this very broad and deep puzzle. You will not get far by simply treating the poem like a metaphor or symbolism for locations. You must read the book, the scrapbooks, and more... then go back through. OK... here's my proposal. Each of 24 chapters of TTOTC is itself a puzzle that unlocks a line of the poem. Some are doable, some I have no idea where to begin. Here's an example: I started with the most absurd chapters wondering why they would be included in a memoir if not to serve as part of the puzzle. First among them -- No Place for Biddies -- a completely useless chapter that does not move any narrative along. But, FF hints to us that spelling does not matter... if knowlege means the same as knowledge then perhaps we need to read phonetically. Maybe that's also why he said a child might have more success... they are learning to read. No place for biddies... no place for bee-dees. No place for b / d. Removing the b's and d's from the poem did nothing for me -- at first. However, once I looked at things similarly and phonetically it clearly leant meaning to a single line of the poem. One down, 23 to go. Me in the Middle. That chapter is one page and states the obvious, he is a middle child. "I was in the middle and that was significant." Well, 'i' is indeed dead in the middle of the poem. And in this case ME = I . Another line down, 22 to go. You can see where this is headed. Tea with Olga? That's a good next step for you all. T. PM me if you figure that one and we can begin to work as partners. I should add that there is one very important thing you need to do with the poem in order for anything at all to work. FF tells us what to do on the very first page of the book and if you don't do that, then you should start over. I do believe this can be solved discretely and unambiguously just as FF has said. Almost no one is treating it like the puzzle it is. -- nkown --nkown I have been working on the solve for only 5 months and made 1 trip that was a bust for reasons not related to my solve at the time. Primarily I have thought of the poem as a road map and have dug into who knows how many rabbit holes working on his point of view. I have a couple directions that works with the hints from tonight's answers. Grapette and stamina (comes to mind and may be other hints I missed due to distractions while watching) are major parts of my thinking. WWWH is the city to start. Take....not far..... is the next city. Below... is name of street (Brown relates to a specific type of paper). So on and on.. For all reading, this is IMO. I have made a couple private offers to team up and still interested to do so with someone. All I can do is give ideas to a question. No book smarts here. |
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Post by rahrah on Feb 5, 2019 17:53:34 GMT -5
In my opinion if you are reading the poem like a poem... ie reading the words in order to solve... you will get as far as anyone else has, which is to say nowhere at all. I do believe the poem will make sense once it is found, but that reading it as a metaphor or series of instructions is not helpful. There is a crucial step which ff hints at but which I've only seen a few mentions of in the blogs over the years. ^^^This is important. Fenn just said it again in his last six questions. ..."studying the clues is tantamount to using a road map" tantamount - equivalent to, parallel, spit and image, balanced, equal So, as a start, what is tantamount - equivalent to - the words 'studying' (study) and 'using' (use)? Fenn doesn't expect anyone to be a wordsmith with a huge vocabulary, but he does expect some semblance of understanding words and word usage, and he seriously likes to taunt with his use of words! So we're looking for a word that is parallel in meaning or equivalent in meaning that communicates our study of the clues (the poem is a map) or our use of a map......what do we do with a map that we also are expected to do with the clues in the poem? Fenn has hinted at this before (repeating himself) - when he said no one had given the clues in the right order. With that in mind, do you have a word yet? Fenn wants us to think.....think, think, think.....what is your word, or word options to consider here? |
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Post by npsbuilder on Feb 5, 2019 20:59:52 GMT -5
In my opinion if you are reading the poem like a poem... ie reading the words in order to solve... you will get as far as anyone else has, which is to say nowhere at all. I do believe the poem will make sense once it is found, but that reading it as a metaphor or series of instructions is not helpful. There is a crucial step which ff hints at but which I've only seen a few mentions of in the blogs over the years. ^^^This is important. Fenn just said it again in his last six questions. ..."studying the clues is tantamount to using a road map" tantamount - equivalent to, parallel, spit and image, balanced, equal So, as a start, what is tantamount - equivalent to - the words 'studying' (study) and 'using' (use)? Fenn doesn't expect anyone to be a wordsmith with a huge vocabulary, but he does expect some semblance of understanding words and word usage, and he seriously likes to taunt with his use of words! So we're looking for a word that is parallel in meaning or equivalent in meaning that communicates our study of the clues (the poem is a map) or our use of a map......what do we do with a map that we also are expected to do with the clues in the poem? Fenn has hinted at this before (repeating himself) - when he said no one had given the clues in the right order. With that in mind, do you have a word yet? Fenn wants us to think.....think, think, think.....what is your word, or word options to consider here? What I am about to say, is something I didn't want to fully reveal until now. I have hinted at it in a few threads the last week or so and had no nibbles. This is the solve for Stanza 2 IMO. Tantamount is close to or almost as close...breaking things apart into equal parts...equal grouping size Take Mountains of Wyoming and Colorado and use the 2 states as equal groupings. Throw out Montana and New Mexico due to not part of equal groupings. The letters of MOUNTAIN on the map now breaks into MOU and NTAIN between the 2 groupings. MOU-Box basically has same meaning as Tantamount (see Wiki link below) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOU_Box For NTAIN, think of the N's as Xs and now use TAI which means deep red-brown Pacific bream (just so happens to be a part of the MOU 74 Box fishery) With all that said, ff DID put X marks the spot on the map twice. Think of the Ns as the Xs indicating WWWH (1st N) and HoB (2nd N) leaving Tai as the 2 middle lines of Stanza 2. All said, Stanza 2 is now solved and should focus on Stanza 3. When I had this (almost 2 weeks ago), the rest fell in place for me AND OF COURSE THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION but fits ff's TANTAMOUNT. |
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Post by nkown on Feb 5, 2019 21:46:14 GMT -5
I will say over and over that he has hinted at, both in his book and in online scrapbooks, that a change of mindset needs to happen to solve the poem. I believe that it is fairly obvious what to do.... 'smarter every day' is the key hint to a method. Once one does that then you can begin to read the poem anew. Metaphorically the solve will work. But specifics are buried behind a method that is so simple (and hinted at constantly by ff) then it will seem absurd when the final solve is made.
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Post by npsbuilder on Feb 6, 2019 0:27:30 GMT -5
I will say over and over that he has hinted at, both in his book and in online scrapbooks, that a change of mindset needs to happen to solve the poem. I believe that it is fairly obvious what to do.... 'smarter every day' is the key hint to a method. Once one does that then you can begin to read the poem anew. Metaphorically the solve will work. But specifics are buried behind a method that is so simple (and hinted at constantly by ff) then it will seem absurd when the final solve is made. I agree that a change of mindset is needed for the solve that is correct. The 'smarter every day' part I am not sure if I follow correctly. If you will, define how to use for the correct approach to the solve. |
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Post by zaphod73491 on Feb 6, 2019 0:58:56 GMT -5
You're overcomplicating. "Tantamount" is simply a fairly obvious clue for MONTANA. Tantamount = Montana with "Tut" left over. Think of King Tut's golden sarcophagus. Or "casket" if you prefer, given the recent discussions about the second bronze chest in Detroit.
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Post by heidini on Feb 6, 2019 9:11:23 GMT -5
You're overcomplicating. "Tantamount" is simply a fairly obvious clue for MONTANA. Tantamount = Montana with "Tut" left over. Think of King Tut's golden sarcophagus. Or "casket" if you prefer, given the recent discussions about the second bronze chest in Detroit. This is awesome! tut is awesome. He has an affinity for ancient Egypt. |
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Post by npsbuilder on Feb 6, 2019 22:35:03 GMT -5
You're overcomplicating. "Tantamount" is simply a fairly obvious clue for MONTANA. Tantamount = Montana with "Tut" left over. Think of King Tut's golden sarcophagus. Or "casket" if you prefer, given the recent discussions about the second bronze chest in Detroit. The etymology of Tantamount from French origin is as much. Much etymology used as verb is bury. Bury is to hide, raise a mound, grave, tomb, protect and more meanings. Maybe I am over complicating... |
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Post by nkown on Feb 6, 2019 23:27:57 GMT -5
no but wrong direction. literally.
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