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Post by fennster on May 13, 2019 20:24:05 GMT -5
Ok heading out for a little over a week starting on July 5th. Unfortunately going at that time means I'll have to take an indirect route to my search area that will take a bit longer to reach.
I'm thinking I may try to camp for a few days out there, but that's a lot to take on. What do you all think? Should I go for it or deal with the 3 mile hike each way?
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Post by heidini on May 13, 2019 21:33:21 GMT -5
Ok heading out for a little over a week starting on July 5th. Unfortunately going at that time means I'll have to take an indirect route to my search area that will take a bit longer to reach. I'm thinking I may try to camp for a few days out there, but that's a lot to take on. What do you all think? Should I go for it or deal with the 3 mile hike each way? First of all July 5 means that you’re not going to go to the Fennboree? Second of all, 3 miles each way? So you think Forrest hiked 12 miles at 79 or 80 years old? Holding on to over 20 pounds to get to the spot? |
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Post by fennster on May 13, 2019 23:42:49 GMT -5
Ok heading out for a little over a week starting on July 5th. Unfortunately going at that time means I'll have to take an indirect route to my search area that will take a bit longer to reach. I'm thinking I may try to camp for a few days out there, but that's a lot to take on. What do you all think? Should I go for it or deal with the 3 mile hike each way? First of all July 5 means that you’re not going to go to the Fennboree? Second of all, 3 miles each way? So you think Forrest hiked 12 miles at 79 or 80 years old? Holding on to over 20 pounds to get to the spot? No it's only the route I have to take during the early summer months. Somewhere between mid August to mid September the river is normally low enough that I could cross where the poem leads. That way it is only a mile and a half each way. Nothing too crazy. As for Fennboree, I just may have to do that. It is only about two extra hours out of the way from my normal route. I would really like to meet some folks. |
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Post by zaphod73491 on May 14, 2019 1:20:06 GMT -5
Fennster: okay, a river crossing. I've done it, so I will tell you it is very dangerous. Imagine doing it with a 25-pound backpack at 79 years old. Tally that against Forrest's pretty tame warning that a 3-year old would "need some help." (I can provide the exact quote if you want.) The proper takeaway should be that the correct route to the treasure should be reasonably hazard-free. Also be mindful of the fact that Forrest did NOT hide the treasure between mid August and mid September; he hid it in either June or the first half of July.
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Post by zaphod73491 on May 14, 2019 1:22:01 GMT -5
Oh, forgot to say: Heidini is absolutely right: 3 miles one way is absolutely absurd. The distance Forrest traveled is far, far less than that.
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Post by fennster on May 14, 2019 7:59:00 GMT -5
Oh, forgot to say: Heidini is absolutely right: 3 miles one way is absolutely absurd. The distance Forrest traveled is far, far less than that. I've seen this river at lower levels and I would think that a man that spent his life wading into waters when he was fly fishing would be able to cross a river when it's a few inches deep. June and July window I would not say is confirmed by any stretch. I've seen one person somewhere try to reason that and I'm sorry I don't think it is compelling. Unless you can link me to something of convince me. On the other hand I have seen a few things in the books to suggest that Forrest did this right before his birthday. Lastly, even though during those later summer months when the river is low, it is a much easier hike at about 1.5 miles each way, I still worry about the relative difficulty. Honestly that is my biggest concern with my solve. I would prefer it to be a half a mile instead. I think it is doable for sure, but not easy. We'll see how it goes. |
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Post by zaphod73491 on May 14, 2019 12:39:11 GMT -5
"June and July window I would not say is confirmed by any stretch. I've seen one person somewhere try to reason that and I'm sorry I don't think it is compelling." I researched this about a year ago and reported what I think is the most compelling evidence on this forum as well as THOR. Perhaps you didn't see it, so I will repeat the gist of it here. 1. Forrest took Doug Preston into his vault in August 2010 -- prior to Forrest's birthday (Aug. 22) -- and the chest was gone. This eliminates September 2010. 2. In the KBCO-FM Podcast on November 18, 2010, Irene Rawlings talks about gallery owner and author Forrest Fenn and his new book "The Thrill of the Chase." Here is the link: player.fm/series/kbco-fm-podcast/forrest-fennIn it, Irene (who knows Forrest VERY WELL, btw) mentions having lunch with Forrest in July 2010, and during the lunch Forrest tells her he has "... hidden a treasure box -- a box full of gold -- and was just finishing up a memoir of clues and how to find it." This eliminates August 2010 from hide date consideration. 3. I decided last year to see if I could pin it down even further. A little detective work revealed that Irene was in Santa Fe on Tuesday, July 13th, for a book signing at 5 pm at Garcia Street Books, so it's likely that the lunch with Forrest was on that day, or a day either side of it. I was able to determine this because Irene was on Mary-Charlotte's Santa Fe Radio Cafe show by phone on Friday, July 9th, 2010, talking about her new book "Sisters on the Fly: Caravans, Campfires, and Tales from the Road." This means the treasure was already hidden by July 14th, but realistically probably at least a day earlier than this, since we know Forrest finished hiding the treasure in the afternoon. (In other words, he couldn't have had lunch with Irene the same day that he hid the treasure.) 4. Forrest has said he hid the treasure in summer, and by summer I think he means meteorological summer (June 1 - August 31), not astronomical summer (summer solstice to autumnal equinox). So the hiding window was somewhere from June 1st to July 13th. 5. There is one loophole for an August hiding date, but it is narrow and virtually no one believes he hid it then: August 22 - August 31, *2009*. |
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Post by fennster on May 14, 2019 14:50:58 GMT -5
Interesting stuff. Definitely seems like this would preclude those dates if Forrest was being one hundred percent truthful that he had already hid it and she is remembering the dates correctly.
I've heard the bit about Douglas Preston and there's no reason to question that because he's been so connected with FF and his chest and could confirm the chest was gone.
As for number 4, I don't think I would count that conjecture of what summer months are. I think anyone would consider August as a summer months. Honestly being from South Florida originally I consider September to still be a part of summer. I will say, I for some reason thought his birthday was in September instead of August so it probably wasn't September.
Why do you think it couldn't have been in 2009 and only during that window in August?
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Post by kaotkbliss on May 14, 2019 15:09:36 GMT -5
I wish I had enough of a solve to justify BOTG. Don't want to take vacation time and plan a trip until I know where I'm going LOL
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Post by fennster on May 14, 2019 15:17:04 GMT -5
I hear ya. I did a huge amount of research and kept working on it. Just keep trying. Keep exploring.
At the very least you should get a really beautiful trip out of it.
I'll be camping/sleeping in my car while eating pb and j sandwiches to keep my costs low.
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Post by zaphod73491 on May 14, 2019 15:38:20 GMT -5
Interesting stuff. Definitely seems like this would preclude those dates if Forrest was being one hundred percent truthful that he had already hid it and she is remembering the dates correctly. I've heard the bit about Douglas Preston and there's no reason to question that because he's been so connected with FF and his chest and could confirm the chest was gone. As for number 4, I don't think I would count that conjecture of what summer months are. I think anyone would consider August as a summer months. Honestly being from South Florida originally I consider September to still be a part of summer. I will say, I for some reason thought his birthday was in September instead of August so it probably wasn't September. Why do you think it couldn't have been in 2009 and only during that window in August? Hi Fennster: as an amateur astronomer, I certainly consider anything up through the fall equinox (around September 23) to be "summer," but if Forrest keeps his mind at about age 13, then September = school and the end of summer. So that's why I think when he says summer, he means June, July and August.
The reason he technically could have hidden it in that narrow sliver of August 2009 is that he turned 79 on 8/22/09, so that is the absolute earliest he could have hidden the chest (since he said he was 79 or 80 when he hid it). And we now know he was 79, not 80, thanks to both Doug and Irene. I exclude September 2009 only because of the hid-it-in-summer statement. If one wanted to be safe and cover the bases, I suppose August 22 - September 22 would be in play. But I really think he hid it in 2010 not 2009, since I don't think he would have waited until mid August 2010 to tell Doug if he had hidden it nearly a year earlier.
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Post by fennster on May 14, 2019 17:37:20 GMT -5
Yeah I would think summer is through to the September time frame. Him describing himself as a young man doesn't seem to be enough to call him a It is difficult to cross the river on foot during July but it isn't impossible. Plus he could easily have taken a raft across during that time, I just likely will have to hike around it.
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