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Post by Jenny on Aug 13, 2019 13:55:06 GMT -5
Scrapbook 179: dalneitzel.com/2017/04/15/scrapbook-one-hundred-seventy-nine/"I wrote this someplace a few years ago and maybe you’ll think it’s worth remembering, Imagination isn’t a technique, it’s a key. f"
It seems to me that when Forrest thinks about 'what is key', imagination comes to his mind...... Is it the Key to his poem? It seems to me that in no way does he want his life, or his thoughts and endeavors, to be considered 'ordinary'. |
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Post by Jenny on Aug 13, 2019 14:04:50 GMT -5
And I should add...... and it seems he encourages others to look beyond the ordinary as well.....
Imagination is key... now whether for the poem or the solution can be debated... but for life.... I think it is a certainty....
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Post by goldilocks on Aug 13, 2019 14:30:23 GMT -5
Imagination as it pertains to an author’s written words (including punctuation) and how a reader interprets those words may be what he’s pointing us to. He mentions Cormac McCarthy in this SB and his use of punctuation,much like in the Dizzy Dean chapter where Forrest removed all of the commas. Cormac McCarthy was from the East Coast but interestingly lived in Tesuque NM of all places.
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Post by omni on Aug 13, 2019 15:05:58 GMT -5
If the poem solve involves heavy use of imagination then it'll never be solved except by sheer luck. It just opens up too many possibilities, too many variables.
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Post by voxpops on Aug 13, 2019 15:37:56 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that quote, Jenny. I'd not seen it before, and to me it makes a lot of sense.
What follows is written as if it were fact, when (in fact) it's just my opinion. Please forgive me if it offends.
Many people have tried to engineer a solution to the poem, but it cannot be done. Yes, it is deeply logical and "technique" must be used but, first and foremost, it REQUIRES imagination. Why? Because the only way to move beyond the early stages is to penetrate the deepest recesses of your mind and then apply what you find there to the outside world. Even that by itself is insufficient. Awareness of your surroundings - and that includes the internet, books, your interactions with others, even what you might find walking down the street - is important, as it forms part of the requirement to "listen." There is a chasm between where you start your search and where you are expected to finish. To bridge the gap it's necessary to adopt a new mindset.
Recently, before it went offline and the domain changed hands, the WWW-H site contained references to Apollo 11, along with some cryptic messages; it served (among other things) as a useful reminder. When Kennedy first committed the US to putting a man on the moon within a decade, the science and technology was hopelessly inadequate. No one knew how to meet such an extreme challenge. The chasm could only be bridged through imagination and intense focus. Then, and only then, could the tools be developed that would allow Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins to complete that amazing mission. The Chase is designed to work on similar principles. The poem does not tell you where to go, but it does tell you how to apply what your imagination generates. And unfortunately there really are no shortcuts: yes, you might make a lucky guess as to the area where the chest is located, but since there are no obvious features to guide you, unless you've taken the "full course" it's pretty much impossible to pin the final spot down. You need to learn the techniques as you progress, and each one is likely to reappear in a slightly different guise further down the line. If you haven't taken on board the lessons, you'll not know how to adjust and readjust so that the penny eventually drops.
People can pick any WWWH and hoB they like, they can try anagrams, acrostics, numbers, homophones - you name it - but without imagination on a "cosmic" scale, it will all come to nought. That is not to say that some of the aforementioned techniques aren't important, simply that by themselves they are insufficient. Forrest has said (quoting Longfellow) that things are not what they seem; we all need to take that on board.
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Post by davebakedpotato on Aug 13, 2019 16:56:44 GMT -5
"My habit when writing something short, is to decide on a subject, then start gathering sentences together with some kind of focus, but not much direction. They need to stay close to the topic and carry my theme or plot to the end of the story. Often, the thoughts come rushing out as I think along. One notion propagates the next. Sometimes I can’t type fast enough."
Can't imagine what he's on about...
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Post by zaphod73491 on Aug 13, 2019 20:41:07 GMT -5
Most of the solutions I've seen have been pretty heavy on the imagination side of the logical-imaginative spectrum. A lack of attention to logic is just as great a hindrance to success as insufficient creativity.
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Post by omni on Aug 13, 2019 23:31:42 GMT -5
Most of the solutions I've seen have been pretty heavy on the imagination side of the logical-imaginative spectrum. A lack of attention to logic is just as great a hindrance to success as insufficient creativity. Yep. This is what Fenn was talking about when he said something like people acted like the solution was 'somewhere out there'. |
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Post by Bownarrow on Aug 14, 2019 20:30:10 GMT -5
If the poem solve involves heavy use of imagination then it'll never be solved except by sheer luck. It just opens up too many possibilities, too many variables. ff |
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Post by Jenny on Aug 15, 2019 5:50:09 GMT -5
If the poem solve involves heavy use of imagination then it'll never be solved except by sheer luck. It just opens up too many possibilities, too many variables. ff Hi bownarrow...... where does that quote originate? Thanks for sharing it.... |
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Post by Bownarrow on Aug 15, 2019 6:19:09 GMT -5
Hi bownarrow...... where does that quote originate? Thanks for sharing it.... Hi Jenny,
vagabond108 on May 26, 2013 at 6:13 pm said:
In response to Dal from blog #22:
My intensions were not to confuse anyone or spread misinformation… After re-reading the email exchange with Forrest, I wanted to share a bit, because as some of you noted… there are some interesting parts in it. It is my understanding that Dal received this exact email on October 10. This is NOT the email that was posted on the blog, but rather a note saying Forrest was sending it to Dal to use as he would. Below is the entire SECOND email we(me and my own band of pirates) received from Forrest:
>———- Forwarded message ———-
>From: Forrest Fenn
>Date: Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 3:27 PM
>Subject:
>To: Forrest Fenn
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>**
>Dal, you may find a place to use this in your writing travels. It was
>written in response to an email I received from someone who is searching
>for the treasure and feels dead-ended. He will receive a blind copy.
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>Occasionally I forward parts of emails to Dal for use in his blog to
>add human interest for others who are in the search, but I never would if
>it made a difference or in any way might point someone toward or away from
>the treasure. Dal is also a searcher. I am determined to stay aloof of
>providing any additional clues that are useful. Everyone has the same
>information to work with. Some few have stopped within several hundred feet
>of the correct location, and then passed it by. I said in my book that
>the solution will be difficult but not impossible. If it was easy anyone
>could do it. Whoever finds the treasure will mostly earn it with
>their imagination. I have done only a few things in my life that were truly
>planned. Hiding the treasure chest is one of them. And at the end, the one
>who finds the gold will not feel lucky, but instead, will ask himself,
>”what took me so long?”
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Post by Jenny on Aug 15, 2019 7:45:46 GMT -5
Thanks bownarrow..... 2012! I like those early quotes.... While imagination seems to be certainly important.....there is still keeping it in check and not over cooking it ..... Whoever finds that balance...might be the one to find the Treasure....  |
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Post by voxpops on Aug 15, 2019 12:41:29 GMT -5
Thanks bownarrow..... 2012! I like those early quotes.... While imagination seems to be certainly important.....there is still keeping it in check and not over cooking it ..... Whoever finds that balance...might be the one to find the Treasure.... Jenny, I'm not sure "...keeping it in check..." fits very comfortably with "...will mostly earn it with their imagination." Teasing out the information buried in the poem and applying it without any clear reference points to guide you requires a tour-de-force of imagination, IMO. And by making that supreme effort, you are beginning to open your mind to greater awareness and positive influences that can provide feedback to help you in your quest. Then you can make use of the hard info that's in the poem. |
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Post by Jenny on Aug 15, 2019 13:34:26 GMT -5
I agree mostly with that....
I was just saying that I feel Imagination left wild might have a tendency to wander too far from where the chest actually rests........
It sort of goes with the quote--- follow your heart, but take your brain with you.
I feel the poem can be found WITH imagination, not solely......
It may be 'Key', but it is nothing without a lock for which to use it on...so to speak...
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Post by voxpops on Aug 15, 2019 14:06:19 GMT -5
I agree mostly with that.... I was just saying that I feel Imagination left wild might have a tendency to wander too far from where the chest actually rests........ It sort of goes with the quote--- follow your heart, but take your brain with you. I feel the poem can be found WITH imagination, not solely...... It may be 'Key', but it is nothing without a lock for which to use it on...so to speak... Yes, focus is essential! |
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