Scrapbook 229

[heidini]

dalneitzel.com/2019/11/10/scrapbook-two_hundred-twenty-nine/

[Jenny]

Forrest knows how to make everything an entertaining story.....

[heidini]

The scrapbook gave me a headache. lol There’s so much stuff in it. But I did find something. German silver is also known as nickel. (I have to know this because I have a nickel jewelry allergy.) Aren’t nickels, to Forrest, considered magical? 😊

[Jenny]

Nov 10, 2019 21:19:06 GMT -5 heidini said:

The scrapbook gave me a headache. lol There’s so much stuff in it. But I did find something. German silver is also known as nickel. (I have to know this because I have a nickel jewelry allergy.) Aren’t nickels, to Forrest, considered magical? 😊

Buffalo Nickel in SB 230!

[zaphod73491]

"Buffalo" is relevant to the solution, not that this is surprising since it's Forrest's favorite animal.

[astree]

Nov 14, 2019 2:53:27 GMT -5 zaphod73491 said:

"Buffalo" is relevant to the solution, not that this is surprising since it's Forrest's favorite animal.

It surprses me, zaphod.  Are you referring to something that doesnt actually contain the word buffalo, like Cody?

[Apple]

Nov 14, 2019 5:42:31 GMT -5 astree said:

Nov 14, 2019 2:53:27 GMT -5 zaphod73491 said:

"Buffalo" is relevant to the solution, not that this is surprising since it's Forrest's favorite animal.

It surprses me, zaphod.  Are you referring to something that doesnt actually contain the word buffalo, like Cody?

Hi Astree, one of my (several) (yet unfavored) interpretations of the poem does involve a buffalo:

1. Forrest has a big pointer finger aimed at Yellowstone.  It's prominent in TTOTC and Forrest tells us he "absolutely loved that place."

2. Yellowstone is widely known for its hot springs and geysers.  Its full of hot water.  It's a short hop to "Yellowstone = warm waters."
3. Where Yellowstone halts is along the border of Yellowstone.  Borders and edges are mentioned several times in TTOTC, including "learning where the edges were."  Learned.

4. "Begin it" also refers the reader to the beginning of words and the beginning of the poem.
5. Collecting some letters from the beginning of words from the beginning of the poem (...gone alone in there and with my treasure...) yields "galitan w mt" which can be translated to "Gallatin with Montana."

6. The Gallatin River flows out of Yellowstone and forms the border of Yellowstone at the southwestern border with Montana.

7. The first clue is WWWH.  The answer is the Gallatin River at Yellowstone's northwestern border.  It soon goes down a canyon (as rivers tend to do).

8. Collecting more letters from the beginning of the beginning gives the intersecting acrostics "horn" and "horn," vertically and horizontally (...hint of riches new...).

9. Next to the Gallatin River at Yellowstone's northwestern border are various features containing "Horn," including Buffalo Horn Creek which intersects (like the acrostic) with the Gallatin River not too far away.

10. It's an interesting area up there with the Gallatin Petrified Forrest and also lots of mineral hounding.  Lots to imagine!

Of course, buffalo can be found in every search state and, depending on how far you zoom in, in most search areas within the search states.

[zaphod73491]

Well, Jeff has a bit surprisingly let the cat out of the bag. Yes, that is WWWH. I guess at this point I don't care if everyone knows, since that is just the barest beginning of the problem, and over a half-dozen searchers have been using it for several years. Forrest has hinted at Gallatin over 100 times in his books, Scrapbooks, and even MW Q&A's and Six Questions.

[astree]

Guys, thank you for your responses. Im on a phone at the moment so a lengthy redponse will not come out pretty. Will come bsck and parse remarks later.

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Nov 14, 2019 16:50:38 GMT -5 Apple said:

Nov 14, 2019 5:42:31 GMT -5 astree said:

It surprses me, zaphod.  Are you referring to something that doesnt actually contain the word buffalo, like Cody?

Hi Astree, one of my (several) (yet unfavored) interpretations of the poem does involve a buffalo:

1. Forrest has a big pointer finger aimed at Yellowstone.  It's prominent in TTOTC and Forrest tells us he "absolutely loved that place."

2. Yellowstone is widely known for its hot springs and geysers.  Its full of hot water.  It's a short hop to "Yellowstone = warm waters."
3. Where Yellowstone halts is along the border of Yellowstone.  Borders and edges are mentioned several times in TTOTC, including "learning where the edges were."  Learned.

Hi Jeff,

Yellowstone was my first real solve, beginning around (former?) Totem Cafe in W. Yellowstone with it Canyon and Boundary roads, and traveling too far to walk to the park, and the up river to the colorfully named geysers.  ( i also liked that gold could be considered a yellow stone ).  I found that I couldnt get enough coherent and precise points in the poem  to convince myself, and wasnt getting good confirmation in the poem.  As well, I asked myself, “Does Forrests known love of Yellowstone and mentions of it make it more or less likely to be a hiding location?” ( the answer could go either way for me ).

4. "Begin it" also refers the reader to the beginning of words and the beginning of the poem.
5. Collecting some letters from the beginning of words from the beginning of the poem (...gone alone in there and with my treasure...) yields "galitan w mt" which can be translated to "Gallatin with Montana."

Many think this might violate a supposed “no codes” approach to the poem; i like what youre doing with it.  The issue for me would be application, and the way youve done it looks fairly tight, but are sometimes taking one, sometimes two letters, and the spelling isnt exact but could still be close enough, imo.  Ima think about it some more.  Why wouldnt we take the first letter of each line to get BANdalier (sp?) Park?  Or perhaps some other names? 

6. The Gallatin River flows out of Yellowstone and forms the border of Yellowstone at the southwestern border with Montana.

7. The first clue is WWWH.  The answer is the Gallatin River at Yellowstone's northwestern border.  It soon goes down a canyon (as rivers tend to do).

The 6. fact seems to be connective, and tied to Gallatin.  Fact 7. matches up with the poem, as far as i can see, but is far from exclusive, as “most rivers do”.  What Im trying to do is to identify the points youve made which strongly support Gallatin.

8. Collecting more letters from the beginning of the beginning gives the intersecting acrostics "horn" and "horn," vertically and horizontally (...hint of riches new...).

9. Next to the Gallatin River at Yellowstone's northwestern border are various features containing "Horn," including Buffalo Horn Creek which intersects (like the acrostic) with the Gallatin River not too far away.

10. It's an interesting area up there with the Gallatin Petrified Forrest and also lots of mineral hounding.  Lots to imagine!

Of course, buffalo can be found in every search state and, depending on how far you zoom in, in most search areas within the search states.

I thought the two HORNs were interesting when i saw them, but couldnt strictly apply them.  Your suggested spot does have a tie-in.  I had noted that Forrests website had the two buffalo (?) horns, and that there is also something called a spelling horn.  Again, acknowledging this is code, which im ok with.

I think your points create a more definite use of the poem to tie to a specific place than the majority that ive seen, which seem to guess at a starting point and see if it can be made to fit.

[zaphod73491]

Nov 14, 2019 17:59:51 GMT -5 astree said:

Guys, thank you for your responses. Im on a phone at the moment so a lengthy redponse will not come out pretty. Will come bsck and parse remarks later.

Astree: now you know the significance of an alligator.

[astree]

Nov 14, 2019 18:20:03 GMT -5 zaphod73491 said:

Nov 14, 2019 17:59:51 GMT -5 astree said:

Guys, thank you for your responses. Im on a phone at the moment so a lengthy redponse will not come out pretty. Will come bsck and parse remarks later.

Astree: now you know the significance of an alligator.

Ive got to say, as well, the parts that werent red, have even more significance tome.

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Nov 14, 2019 16:50:38 GMT -5 Apple said:

Nov 14, 2019 5:42:31 GMT -5 astree said:

It surprses me, zaphod.  Are you referring to something that doesnt actually contain the word buffalo, like Cody?

Hi Astree, one of my (several) (yet unfavored) interpretations of the poem does involve a buffalo:

1. Forrest has a big pointer finger aimed at Yellowstone.  It's prominent in TTOTC and Forrest tells us he "absolutely loved that place."

2. Yellowstone is widely known for its hot springs and geysers.  Its full of hot water.  It's a short hop to "Yellowstone = warm waters."
3. Where Yellowstone halts is along the border of Yellowstone.  Borders and edges are mentioned several times in TTOTC, including "learning where the edges were."  Learned.

4. "Begin it" also refers the reader to the beginning of words and the beginning of the poem.
5. Collecting some letters from the beginning of words from the beginning of the poem (...gone alone in there and with my treasure...) yields "galitan w mt" which can be translated to "Gallatin with Montana."

6. The Gallatin River flows out of Yellowstone and forms the border of Yellowstone at the southwestern border with Montana.

7. The first clue is WWWH.  The answer is the Gallatin River at Yellowstone's northwestern border.  It soon goes down a canyon (as rivers tend to do).

8. Collecting more letters from the beginning of the beginning gives the intersecting acrostics "horn" and "horn," vertically and horizontally (...hint of riches new...).

9. Next to the Gallatin River at Yellowstone's northwestern border are various features containing "Horn," including Buffalo Horn Creek which intersects (like the acrostic) with the Gallatin River not too far away.

10. It's an interesting area up there with the Gallatin Petrified Forrest and also lots of mineral hounding.  Lots to imagine!

Of course, buffalo can be found in every search state and, depending on how far you zoom in, in most search areas within the search states.

Just east of the south gate of Yellowstone is "Forest lake" it's more of a pond than a lake and if you continue east a little farther there's forest creek and very close to that if you Ford the river and get on the south bank, there is a tree stump there left when a small military battalion found Jim bridger's initials blazed with an X on a tree, they fell the tree and cut the section off to bring it back to show someone,I can't recall who in this moment,but they lost the section of the tree with the JB X and said of reports it was like over 100 years old at that time. Anyways I've had a suspicion for awhile that the chest may be hidden at the forest lake or Forest Creek or possibly in that tree stump I bet the stump is still sitting where the tree grew planted in the ground by it's dead roots. I have a ----- where the Southgate is the "below the home of brown"

[Apple]

Zaphod, I'm not entirely sold on the solve as presented, so I'd say "a" WWWH rather than "the" WWWH.  I doubt you'll see significant increase in foot traffic in this area (if it's still your area).  If I had it, I bet I could post the outline of the correct solve and no one would follow it (or be able to follow it) to the end in a timely manner.

In TTOTC, it is "the alligator;" I'm sure you have found "an alligator" somewhere in Fenn's game related writings.  It's an odd coincidence (or is it?) that SB232, published soon after your post (I think), ends with the line directly from TTOTC: "don’t make the alligator mad until you’ve crossed the river."  I suppose we've learned that he heard it on that "Amos 'n Andy radio show" when he was at least 9 years old although he references it in TTOTC at age 13.

As at least I've pointed out on this forum before, Looking for Lewis and Clark is tied to Blue Jeans and Hush Puppies Again through the theme of experiential learning and through the near-synophones Gallitan National Forest and Gilbert Gaul and all the plays on that word (saddle sores, jaundice, bitterness, French, etc.).

Astree,

I think it's a reasonable argument for WWWH but I agree that it isn't very tight.  I expect something better (disappointment is a close acquaintance, my shadow/reflection).  It does explain some things like all the overt and covert horns/tusks/teeth and stone references (if edging from there into the Gallitan Petrified Forest from there).  It's perhaps a notch higher than Madison Junction in appeal.  I wouldn't put all my eggs in that basket.

[zaphod73491]

Nov 15, 2019 10:14:43 GMT -5 Apple said:

Zaphod, I'm not entirely sold on the solve as presented, so I'd say "a" WWWH rather than "the" WWWH.  I doubt you'll see significant increase in foot traffic in this area (if it's still your area).  If I had it, I bet I could post the outline of the correct solve and no one would follow it (or be able to follow it) to the end in a timely manner.

In TTOTC, it is "the alligator;" I'm sure you have found "an alligator" somewhere in Fenn's game related writings.  It's an odd coincidence (or is it?) that SB232, published soon after your post (I think), ends with the line directly from TTOTC: "don’t make the alligator mad until you’ve crossed the river."  I suppose we've learned that he heard it on that "Amos 'n Andy radio show" when he was at least 9 years old although he references it in TTOTC at age 13.

As at least I've pointed out on this forum before, Looking for Lewis and Clark is tied to Blue Jeans and Hush Puppies Again through the theme of experiential learning and through the near-synophones Gallitan National Forest and Gilbert Gaul and all the plays on that word (saddle sores, jaundice, bitterness, French, etc.).

Astree,

I think it's a reasonable argument for WWWH but I agree that it isn't very tight.  I expect something better (disappointment is a close acquaintance, my shadow/reflection).  It does explain some things like all the overt and covert horns/tusks/teeth and stone references (if edging from there into the Gallitan Petrified Forest from there).  It's perhaps a notch higher than Madison Junction in appeal.  I wouldn't put all my eggs in that basket.

Jeff and Astree: it's tighter than you realize. I've used it for over 3 years and am 100% sure it's correct. Just be a little more creative with the acrostic spanning the first two lines of the poem:

As I have gone alone in there and with my treasures...

Replace "one" with the digit 1 (which is a lower case L on old typewriters). You then have a better homophonic version of Gallatin. For a little confirmation, scan further down into the poem:

go and leave my trove

As for the missing N of "the alligator" in TTOTC, Forrest probably supplies it with the aberration Amos 'n Andy. (There should be an apostrophe both before and after the N.) Apostrophe misuse as a clue-pointer also occurs with the Border's/Borders inconsistency, tripling down in the same chapter with borderline biddies.

[astree]

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Thanks, zaphod and Jeff. Definitely interesting. I believe there was a Forrest aquaintance with a name something like Hinrich ... would you put the Gallitan approach in the same neighborhood as "HINt of RICHes"? Id put Gallitan above, because it is more generally available knowledge.