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Post by johnwayne11 on Nov 23, 2019 13:12:14 GMT -5
His intro to Once Upon a While. When Forrest assured him the clues were reliable but might take 900 years to solve. Perhaps - just supposing...... that zero's meant nothing to Forrest so - that would mean it might take 9 years to solve instead of 900.
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Post by astree on Nov 23, 2019 13:38:42 GMT -5
Awesome post...... I feel it will take a deep understanding of 'what Forrest thinks and who he is' to discover the final location. I think this idea is such a critical element of many searchers' approach to the puzzle, that it probably could be the subject of many threads. It seems that this is why many spend much time on Forrests' history, scrapbooks, books, and blog. Not familiar with that quote at all. Sounds interesting, would like to know the context, if you can recall where you read it (or heard it).
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Post by npsbuilder on Nov 23, 2019 16:43:20 GMT -5
I guess part of trying to answer that is to consider the hunt-setter. How creative/imaginitive is Forrest? We have free access to his writings (scrapbooks etc), while these are mostly factual his creativity comes out in using unusual phrases and even making up words. Let's call this 'creative with language'. He has also created his own bronzes, and found ways to solve casting problems e.g. the threaded lids on his jars. He doesn't rate himself as an artist and interestingly got into the art business for the money. His creativity here comes out in other, more practical ways. Let's call this 'practical creativity'. Then there is the hunt itself, from assembling the treasure, to the poem, TTOTC, hiding the treasure and not giving too much information away subsequently. This is his masterpiece imo, although building up Fenn Galleries was a heck of an achievement. Note he chose to use a) words, b) in a poem as the delivery mechanism for the clues, combined with a book. There is no encryption in the classic sense, and there are hundreds of alternative methods he could have used. He chose a poem. Literate creativity. His mind often wanders to other places, particularly when handling ancient artifacts. He wonders who last shot that arrowhead, who is buried under that grave marker, what his special spot will be like in a hundred years, who will find his bells. He's a time-traveller. He's a practical, literate, time-traveller with a particular creativity in written language. Any others? Awesome post...... I feel it will take a deep understanding of 'what Forrest thinks and who he is' to discover the final location. Isn't it interesting what Forrest had said about the searcher who came close-- something like-- I didn't think they knew me that well..... (have to find the source link/precise wording for that)... What did they 'know about him?' Why did Forrest say the searcher came close because of that reason? They knew him. How were they able to understand 'his words' and 'follow a map' to get so close to the treasure? Was it a close friend....someone who related on a more intimate level with him and understood him that way? The statement you mentioned - I didn't think they knew me that well - makes good sense to me. I not read any of his books with the exception on what was included in his Press Release. Of course, over time I have a decent understanding of his past mostly related to his military career and what other searchers has posted about his life as a gallery owner and archaeologist. The "redneck" from Texas most likely will not know anything about him either and has just as good a chance or better to find the treasure than someone who knows every detail in all the books and his life. My first solve took me to a SWA just South of Colorado Springs and a pet cemetery in same location. My "redneck" thinking took me there and even after just over a year of researching I still think that area has great potential using visual interpretations of what I see in my mind's eye reading the poem. My current thinking, however, has evolved somewhat using what I see in my head and the Bible to pinpoint what the real intent of the poem is. The Treasures I have found is somewhat troubling for me personally. Reading the Bible and listening to sermons on the radio has made me reflect on who I am personally and how God will judge me. Even though I am a good person and have never done anything to hurt others and live a good moral life I am questioning who I really am. Back to the the point here; Books, chapters and verses can be used to draw your map. Begin it where warm... my first thought is the rainbow, a desert, Noah's Ark, tears in the corner of the eye. Using this I eventually landed on Aten (Egyptian deity) which took me to C. S. Lewis and Psalms 104 which gives a longitude to start from possibly 104:1-ff More to continue if any interest here...
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Post by davebakedpotato on Nov 24, 2019 2:36:38 GMT -5
There are some interesting things to be found down the Egyptian deity route, but I suspect it's a rabbit-hole on the grounds of specialist knowledge. I went down this route based on wondering about 'riches (new and) old', the most famous I could think of was Tutankhamun.
Back to imagination, it is closely linked to flexibility I think. Having the mental skills to let go of previous ideas and come up with new ones, or new combinations of old ones. Forrest must like the quote 'Imagination is more important than knowledge' as he has mentioned it a number of times and it appears on one of his castings (restated, and with a humourous typo). Definitely an area to concentrate on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 9:54:05 GMT -5
All that will be needed is the poem some resolve and a little imagination.
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Post by richard on Nov 25, 2019 13:33:22 GMT -5
All that will be needed is the poem some resolve and a little imagination. And lots of time with this method. There are just too many possibilities to solve and not enough time in the world to do it with out researching the man who wrote the poem. You must first understand Forrest to understand his thinking. To do that you need to read how he writes, listen how he talks, and what he talks about. Then you will improve your chances of being the one who finish's The Chase. IMHO To start with, there are thousands of places in the Rocky's where you'll find warm water sources, have you though the warm waters may not be describing a physical thing, but maybe a place? Think about how Forrest has used the words in the past.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 16:07:24 GMT -5
All that will be needed is the poem some resolve and a little imagination. And lots of time with this method. There are just too many possibilities to solve and not enough time in the world to do it with out researching the man who wrote the poem. You must first understand Forrest to understand his thinking. To do that you need to read how he writes, listen how he talks, and what he talks about. Then you will improve your chances of being the one who finish's The Chase. IMHO To start with, there are thousands of places in the Rocky's where you'll find warm water sources, have you though the warm waters may not be describing a physical thing, but maybe a place? Think about how Forrest has used the words in the past. Richard, Your absolutely correct, a deep understanding of where he's coming from. The riddle will give the correct WWWH once understood correctly, one place and the right place, it's there for everyone to see. He didn't make it a guessing game, once found everyone will say,"why didn't I think of that?" What is your opinion on what nobody's thought about? is a special place? Or a recipe or technique to cracking the riddle? I believe it's simple that it really is in front of everyone to see but, simply disguised behind the fog.
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Post by tom on Nov 25, 2019 17:45:06 GMT -5
Tommy that comment along with “what took me so long” is why I think the spot is special to him in a way not many have considered. He can say what he wants about not caring about a legacy, but anybody that cool, that guy, there’s gonna be a oh man now I see it finale. Whatever it is, wherever it’s at, it’s gonna be pretty big and it’s gonna be something everyone else didn’t see but him.
I’m hoping I see it because I really want to trade my watch in for that bracelet and go fishing. I just have to understand the poem and walk to it from where I know to start.
Forrest, I know what you mean by too far to walk. That’s a big beautiful clue.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 20:56:47 GMT -5
Tommy that comment along with “what took me so long” is why I think the spot is special to him in a way not many have considered. He can say what he wants about not caring about a legacy, but anybody that cool, that guy, there’s gonna be a oh man now I see it finale. Whatever it is, wherever it’s at, it’s gonna be pretty big and it’s gonna be something everyone else didn’t see but him. I’m hoping I see it because I really want to trade my watch in for that bracelet and go fishing. I just have to understand the poem and walk to it from where I know to start. Forrest, I know what you mean by too far to walk. That’s a big beautiful clue. I totally agree, And Far,far
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 21:00:55 GMT -5
I believe the imagination starts on line 10. The end is ever drawing nigh The "drawing" as in artwork and "nigh" also means virtually. Virtually drawing. This is where you look on Google Earth or BOTG to find the geological art formations that guide you down the path. This makes "paddle" an imagination, an art formation if you will. The creek that has a paddle formation, you do not go up. It will be one of the other creeks on the left or right in the path. It is my firm belief that 4 of the clues are creative thoughts, as the paddle.
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