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Post by fennzenn on Feb 6, 2020 22:11:48 GMT -5
What would possibly be cold in the search (and presumably treasure hiding) months? If he's referring to a creek which we know doesn't require a paddle, is it an admission that you may have to cross ankle, shin or knee high water to get to the spot?
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Post by Jenny on Feb 7, 2020 7:37:22 GMT -5
We are told by Forrest there are subtle hints in the TTOTC. These are used to understand the poem.
For me, the line, 'Your effort is worth the cold' relates to the section of TTOTC where Forrest shares the story of how touching bronze is cold to the touch.
We know the chest is made of bronze. It will be cold to the touch. Our effort is worth that cold touch.
Forrest shared that story in TTOTC.... Teaching the children was something that was memorable and important to him. I can see how he would want to use that line or association in the poem.
I think the story of bronze being cold to the touch is one of the subtle hints Forrest talks about.
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Post by chesttroll on Feb 7, 2020 14:24:25 GMT -5
Cold: Characterized by repeated failure, especially in a sport or competitive activity: The team fell into a slump of cold shooting.
I prefer this definition since "No one is going to happen upon that chest"
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Post by theoretical on Feb 7, 2020 15:59:03 GMT -5
We are told by Forrest there are subtle hints in the TTOTC. These are used to understand the poem. For me, the line, 'Your effort is worth the cold' relates to the section of TTOTC where Forrest shares the story of how touching bronze is cold to the touch. We know the chest is made of bronze. It will be cold to the touch. Our effort is worth that cold touch. Forrest shared that story in TTOTC.... Teaching the children was something that was memorable and important to him. I can see how he would want to use that line or association in the poem. I think the story of bronze being cold to the touch is one of the subtle hints Forrest talks about. Jenny - this line has always bothered me. And made me question what am I missing. I really like your thinking on this. Very possible this is one of those lines less valuable than others. |
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Post by edgewalker on Feb 13, 2020 21:10:35 GMT -5
Bronze is not the only substance that has that cold feel. Having said that bronze is a recurring theme. The Shishoni foundry is north of Santa Fe and works in Bronze.
Not to sound like I am 13 (or maybe exactly for that reason) a urinal also has that cold feel. It is where the warm water halts. In the gallery with the kids Forrest is resting his arm on the "head", a nickname for urinal. In the brave hearted men song they are "shoulder to shoulder and bolder and bolder". There are other references that fit as well. Wouldn't that be something if warm waters and cold referred to a urinal. Ha! I wouldn't know whether to laugh or cry.
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Post by thrillchaser on Feb 16, 2020 20:46:14 GMT -5
to keep it simple. I agree bronze chest is cold to the touch. the chase is worth the effort.
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Post by flyjack on Feb 17, 2020 1:20:05 GMT -5
Definition of cold (Entry 3 of 3)
1 : with utter finality : ABSOLUTELY, COMPLETELY
turned down cold
also : ABRUPTLY
stopped them cold
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Post by thrillchaser on Mar 1, 2020 21:02:15 GMT -5
what effort are we all putting forth for? our effort is to find the chest. after reading ttotc that the chest would be cold to the touch makes that line straightforward and without subterfuge. finding the chest is worth our effort.
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Post by fennzenn on Mar 1, 2020 21:08:05 GMT -5
what effort are we all putting forth for? our effort is to find the chest. after reading ttotc that the chest would be cold to the touch makes that line straightforward and without subterfuge. finding the chest is worth our effort. It's sort of just a footnote question I had...I never thought of the chest as being the object of the cold , but that does seem likely. Especially since he had a paragraph in TTOTC about the students touching a bronze statue and it being cold to the touch I think.. |
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Post by gnossos on Mar 3, 2020 17:35:41 GMT -5
What if by 'cold' he means remote? and cold rhymes better with gold.
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Post by Jenny on Mar 25, 2020 12:04:23 GMT -5
From page 111 of TTOTC: (for maybe those who don't have it and may wonder what we are talking about)
"Some of the students giggled when I casually rested my bare arm on the head of a bronze Indian. 'Who can tell me what this is?' I would ask. Someone would usually reply, 'It's an Indian' another would say, 'It's an art', a third might blurt out, 'It's a bronze' and a fourth, "It's a sculpture.' I always congratulated the class for being so attentive. Then I asked, 'Is it hot or is it cold?'. Well, that always stumped them, so I'd ask each student to come forward and feel the bronze. They couldn't understand why it was cold to the touch when it was in a warm room."
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Post by Jenny on Mar 30, 2020 7:14:18 GMT -5
With Forrest giving attention to the 'Smell the Sunshine' videos, and the type of thinking demonstrated in them, it seems more and more Forrest is hinting that the poem can be solved by more of the way of logical thinking and not so much the use of 'Imagination'...... (not sure why Forrest puts so much emphasis on imagination then)
We have multiple comments from Forrest in the past leaning to such as well.....
His advice to simplify, get back in the box, logic used to determine an important clue in the poem, etc.
Is the issue of finding the chest just that BOTG is needed to search the different 'areas' the poem leads to. Interpretations to the stanzas are many....and so then are 'solutions'... Someone 'eventually' will hit upon the correct 'area'.... but maybe as Forrest says, you won't know you have WWWH correct until you search and find the chest....and this just takes time....
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Post by voxpops on Mar 30, 2020 8:06:51 GMT -5
Is the issue of finding the chest just that BOTG is needed to search the different 'areas' the poem leads to. Interpretations to the stanzas are many....and so then are 'solutions'... Someone 'eventually' will hit upon the correct 'area'.... but maybe as Forrest says, you won't know you have WWWH correct until you search and find the chest....and this just takes time.... Jenny, I don't believe that this is either a guessing game or a process of elimination. I think, instead, it's a process that is designed to fail - in the sense that there is something that FF is searching for, which can only be provided by a specific individual who is also being hunted. The poem will only reveal its secrets to that person. The rest of it is exactly what FF has said - namely a means to get people off their texting devices and out into the mountains, with the enormous benefits to physical, mental, and spiritual health that can provide. Of course, none of us can know whether we are the fox dressed as a hound who is being sought until the end. In order to "earn" the gold, a very important service must be rendered. |
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Post by goldilocks on Mar 30, 2020 8:19:55 GMT -5
With Forrest giving attention to the 'Smell the Sunshine' videos, and the type of thinking demonstrated in them, it seems more and more Forrest is hinting that the poem can be solved by more of the way of logical thinking and not so much the use of 'Imagination'...... (not sure why Forrest puts so much emphasis on imagination then) We have multiple comments from Forrest in the past leaning to such as well..... His advice to simplify, get back in the box, logic used to determine an important clue in the poem, etc. Is the issue of finding the chest just that BOTG is needed to search the different 'areas' the poem leads to. Interpretations to the stanzas are many....and so then are 'solutions'... Someone 'eventually' will hit upon the correct 'area'.... but maybe as Forrest says, you won't know you have WWWH correct until you search and find the chest....and this just takes time.... ...like a scavenger hunt. The poem is the “list” of clues we have to follow. Once we get to the search area we use our imagination to find what we are looking for to solve the clue riddle. The “marker” aka confirmation on site, will then allow us to move to the next. Maybe this is why we won’t know we are right until we are on location. The clues are contiguous. No shortcuts. We can go to general location with confidence from home but fine tuning must be done on site. |
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Post by astree on Mar 30, 2020 8:29:50 GMT -5
but maybe as Forrest says, you won't know you have WWWH correct until you search and find the chest....and this just takes time.... I see it differently. That is an interpretation of something he said which does not seem to be in agreement with other statements from Forrest, which claim that the person who solves the puzzle will go directly to the treasure, with confidence. |
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