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Post by robjohnson on Feb 1, 2018 11:29:27 GMT -5
Search google "Repatriation of French Indochina Graves" Found www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83077Mang Yang Pass, Vietnam was the site of a battle in 1954. The French were routed and a post digger was used to make the graves. No reason to doubt the post by Rotorwash 15 Sep 09 @21:28, because I found corroborating information. Rotorwash explains the buried were standing up, facing France. Page 57 ttotc - "We should have buried him standing up." Skippy The repatriation was made to Memorial des Guerres en Indochine, Route du General Callies 83600, Frejus, France. The rows point to the sea, in the direction of Indochina. IMO, keep on the lookout for a place where things are buried standing up in the Rockies - it might help you understand some things. I say this because ff stated on the Nightline episode, "The treasure is where I put it." and page 82 ttotc, "It was a funeral!!!" But as Jenny recently reminded us in her thread "Treasure Facts", the treasure is not in a graveyard. My solutions look to find a grave metaphorically. |
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Post by heidini on Feb 2, 2018 8:51:27 GMT -5
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Post by robjohnson on Feb 2, 2018 10:09:13 GMT -5
Interesting.
Did the book help you with your thinking?
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Post by heidini on Feb 2, 2018 10:39:20 GMT -5
I didnt read it but I read the synopsis. It is awfully ironic that this is an existing gypsy saying AND an existing book that existed prior to TTOTC. And ironic that forrest mentions gypsies. Just hard to make a real world connection to the information.
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Post by nkown on Feb 2, 2018 14:41:06 GMT -5
Here's a question:
Where will ff be buried once he passes?
What's around there... name 10+ things that tie to TTOTC that are also mentioned in the SB's...
Then connect those to comments made on Dal's site and also are mentioned on the website of that burial place.... especially as it relates to bells and a blaze.
I've got that spot and it fits very well... but still not exactly to the TC
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Post by lookinup on Feb 2, 2018 15:26:26 GMT -5
A 'special' section of his beloved San Lazaro, in New Mexico would be my guess.
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Post by robjohnson on Feb 2, 2018 16:07:12 GMT -5
I didnt read it but I read the synopsis. It is awfully ironic that this is an existing gypsy saying AND an existing book that existed prior to TTOTC. And ironic that forrest mentions gypsies. Just hard to make a real world connection to the information. I think I might give the book a try, but not immediately - other things on my plate. I'll respond after I read. I read the synopsis also but it left me with questions. Years ago, I guess I was in an "Oh" line of thinking, and Gypsy Magic helped me to figure ff's bday (maybe it was partially). I can't remember all the details of that solution. But I remember looking for a bday cake with a blaze of candles, like the fire and gypsies dancing. And then afterwards, ff published his b-day in tftw. But now my thinking looks to the other, end of life, because the blaze is near or at the end of the quest. (I hope I navigated this post correctly - maybe it will show up somewhere else?) |
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Post by Jenny on Feb 2, 2018 16:38:29 GMT -5
I didnt read it but I read the synopsis. It is awfully ironic that this is an existing gypsy saying AND an existing book that existed prior to TTOTC. And ironic that forrest mentions gypsies. Just hard to make a real world connection to the information. I think I might give the book a try, but not immediately - other things on my plate. I'll respond after I read. I read the synopsis also but it left me with questions. Years ago, I guess I was in an "Oh" line of thinking, and Gypsy Magic helped me to figure ff's bday (maybe it was partially). I can't remember all the details of that solution. But I remember looking for a bday cake with a blaze of candles, like the fire and gypsies dancing. And then afterwards, ff published his b-day in tftw. But now my thinking looks to the other, end of life, because the blaze is near or at the end of the quest. (I hope I navigated this post correctly - maybe it will show up somewhere else?) ..that made me imagine of an interesting possibility for the blaze-- the end (like the end of one year, and beginning of one year on a b-day cake)--(so like a dead end canyon)-- if you've been wise to find the blaze... the end... well if I'm ever on a search and happen upon one, I'll be sure to 'look quickly down'....lol... |
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Post by robjohnson on Feb 3, 2018 5:45:16 GMT -5
I think I might give the book a try, but not immediately - other things on my plate. I'll respond after I read. I read the synopsis also but it left me with questions. Years ago, I guess I was in an "Oh" line of thinking, and Gypsy Magic helped me to figure ff's bday (maybe it was partially). I can't remember all the details of that solution. But I remember looking for a bday cake with a blaze of candles, like the fire and gypsies dancing. And then afterwards, ff published his b-day in tftw. But now my thinking looks to the other, end of life, because the blaze is near or at the end of the quest. (I hope I navigated this post correctly - maybe it will show up somewhere else?) ..that made me imagine of an interesting possibility for the blaze-- the end (like the end of one year, and beginning of one year on a b-day cake)--(so like a dead end canyon)-- if you've been wise to find the blaze... the end... well if I'm ever on a search and happen upon one, I'll be sure to 'look quickly down'....lol... Let's hope someone soon has the benefit and elation of looking quickly down. And your post about first bday reminds me of a statement in ttotc, pg 23, "It was there that my life really began, but for the first ten years I figured that if it weren't for my name I wouldn't have anything at all." Age 13 less 10 = 3 years. Pg 4 - "... and if any readers over the age of twelve (my insert, 13, but it could be 12 and a half, 12.6, and on and on) don't see a little of themselves in this mirror..." I guess it's time to simplify. |
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Post by goldwatch on Feb 6, 2018 15:36:27 GMT -5
Does that name, "rotorwash", remind anyone else of Skippy's washing machine helicopter?
("My Brother Being Skippy", TTOTC, page 50)
And Forrest said in his most recent Six Questions that he wanted to be a helicopter pilot.
Plus "buried standing up" and that Skippy died at age 50, same as the page I listed above.
And also, Forrest went to that place with the French graves in a helicopter.
This is a lot of coincidences.
Worth more investigation.
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Post by CJ on Feb 6, 2018 16:13:26 GMT -5
Since gypsies were mentioned...I had my "Alamo" solve, which maybe isn't valid, but in that line of thinking, the dancing Gypsy was Pilar Pallete (John Wayne's wife) in the movie "Green Hell"....she was dancing around a fire barefoot....there's (more than one) Hemingway reference in there as well...that may not help, but the links are interesting.
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Post by robjohnson on Feb 6, 2018 18:11:05 GMT -5
Does that name, "rotorwash", remind anyone else of Skippy's washing machine helicopter? ("My Brother Being Skippy", TTOTC, page 50) And Forrest said in his most recent Six Questions that he wanted to be a helicopter pilot. Plus "buried standing up" and that Skippy died at age 50, same as the page I listed above. And also, Forrest went to that place with the French graves in a helicopter. This is a lot of coincidences. Worth more investigation. And Skippy went back for Forrest, like a rescue, pg 57. And maybe Forrest going to the French grave is a recue of the soldier's life in memory and respect, because he stated pg 95, "Those who fell there....are forever forgotten, save by me." So just thinking, maybe the quest is a rescue mission  |
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Post by robjohnson on Feb 10, 2018 14:28:40 GMT -5
I didnt read it but I read the synopsis. It is awfully ironic that this is an existing gypsy saying AND an existing book that existed prior to TTOTC. And ironic that forrest mentions gypsies. Just hard to make a real world connection to the information. I read Bury Me Standing Up, by Isabel Fonseca, and will give a very brief synopsis of what I took from the book. The book was extremely informative as to the plight of Gypsies in Europe, especially in Eastern Bloc countries. They were enslaved, tortured, persecuted, murdered, despised, reviled and to this day many horrible atrocities against them still occur. There was almost no mention of American Gypsies. The author compares the plight of the gypsies to African-Americans in the United States and Jewish People around the world. The term “Gypsy” may offend some people in it’s use, as I read on the Internet, but the author of the book uses the word to explain. Etymologically, Gypsy means “Egyptian”. And the author says that this may have come about one time because a group of gypsies, or Roma as they call themselves in Eastern Europe, said they were from Egypt because it literally served them a purpose in survival. And the author continually points out that gypsies will state many things to people outside their community, if it serves them in their business or survival. The author goes into further immense detail of how the Roma are very wary of gadje, non-gypsies, and the contamination that gadje bring to their society. The author is very explicit that gypsies will lie and will lie a lot to gadje. And she further states that that their language can be difficult to understand, so be careful in translation. Fonseca explores the true roots of the Rom back to Persia and India {little girl from India?}, about 950 AD. But there were other European scholars who used a biblical explanation to say that gypsies were the cursed descendants of Cain, condemned to wander the world (cain means blacksmith in Semetic languages and a major profession of gypsies in Europe). {ttotc blacksmith pg 136.} Millions of Rom live in Europe. They live on the borders of countries {pg 9 ttotc Borders}, or the edges of towns and cities, in close-knit communities where family is supreme. They do not assimilate into their surrounding societies, do not speak the language of the gadje as their language and expressions are unique, very infrequently are educated by gadje, shun gadje vaccines and doctors, and are isolated. They have no country, no nationalism, purposely burn identification documents because the documents are used to persecute them, generally can’t read or write and live independently away from gadje. In the 17th century, France deported gypsies to Louisiana. “Been gypped” is American slang. Roasting a chicken properly by a Gypsy – catch the fastest chicken, cover with clay, and roast for a very long time. The feathers will be stuck to the clay upon peeling the clay off. No need to pull the feathers off before cooking. {ttotc pgs 35 & 37}. Gypsy Proverb – “Bury me standing, I’ve been on my knees all my life.” Some attribute the proverb to the severe treatment their people have received from the gadje, a plea for redress, like when 500,000 gypsies, maybe way more, were put to death in the Holocaust. The proverb can speak of all the ills the gypsy society can suffer from the outsiders. I thought the book was very well written, but it was a chore to read and depressing. But that’s not to say I didn’t learn. |
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Post by heidini on Feb 11, 2018 19:15:55 GMT -5
The proverb can speak of all the ills the gypsy society can suffer from the outsiders. I thought the book was very well written, but it was a chore to read and depressing. But that’s not to say I didn’t learn. Learning is the best part. Sorry the book was depressing. It is good to learn about the bad stuff so maybe history won’t be repeated. Maybe people will learn that humans are are more alike than different. Sometimes my imagination runs away from me. I imagine that Forrest actually did kiss a young gypsy girl. I think maybe his first kiss. Maybe that is why it lingers in his mind. |
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Post by lookinup on Feb 15, 2018 11:45:00 GMT -5
War is hell -
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