Image 1 Verse 7

[SluggoZim]

l like Golden Gate. Farthest joint in GG........I believe Cliff House, an object of Twains attention. onward.

[choice]

Any idea what those letters are on top and bottom of the gate?

[SluggoZim]

try this. and what the heck is that last one?

[canuck]

The litany of the jewels quote for San Francisco is quite interesting. It reads: “From far Cathay, the dragon’s Pearl: Chaste, perfect as the silver moon.”

“perfect as the silver moon” – the official song commemorating the opening of the Golden Gate Bridge is called “There’s a Silver Moon on the Golden Gate”. Most likely where Byron got the idea to use it in the book.

“Chaste” – although this would fit my Joan of Arc at Legion of Honor theory, it also applies to the Virgin Mary.
Some interesting ideas on the images came out after the Boston find. The pig head next to the polo stick – pua’a means pig and then the polo stick gives you Puopolo was one that was mentioned. So I figure why not try this technique on Image 1?
How about just for argument sake it’s Mary in image 1 and you put her with the clock on the table – so “Mary” and “time” – that would give you Maritime National Historical Park.
Just to show you this theory has serious legs, is anyone familiar with a Hans Memling painting called Allegory with a Virgin? You need to look at this painting as I feel it was JJP’s inspiration for Image 1. It has a woman standing with her arms crossed surrounded by similar looking rocks.

Thoughts?

[choice]

Eventhough I like the idea of the rebus in the images, it should be with objects around the subject or main character of the paintings. Like the pig and polo stick or millstone (i think a watermill wheel) walking stick and key. Pig is actually a negative space and not an object; so maybe use the same formula with the table leg. There are a couple of fish looking things, one on each side of top of the table leg. Mouths mouthing on the leg with a dot for eye where it belongs. Similar to a pair of koi fish. Flip the table over and you have a couple of koi sucking on a tower; koi tower!

[SluggoZim]

canuck, choice. thanks. all the talk about Joan of Arc, The Cid, Thinker.....on and on and on......hey, they form a triangle. so do the green rose leaves. yep, they sure do! flip the image horizontal so the hG shows G h. now, green leaves from left to right.....Joan of Arc, Thinker, The Cid. i have tears in my eyes at this point, just sayin'. the dark leaf below the table points to......the Lincoln Hwy Western Terminus cement marker, at least where it was before it was moved in the 90s, per george. yikes. right by the bus stop. every darn GE pic has a bus blocking the view. aaarrrrghh!

please do the alignment work and let me know your thoughts. i am working on the visual : for this solve, the giant pole is the iron lampost at the busstop, with three lamps, which i found and posted earlier. working to make that a lot clearer as it will help with view angle, the lazy lion statue behind the lampost in the background.

onward.

[SluggoZim]

i love the memling reference. i am a da vinci, madonna of the rocks, battle of anghari -ist. in image 1, looking thru the vertical lines of the rocks there are plenty of deliberate shapes or scenes underneath. onward.

[canuck]

One thing about the Alibi Elf drawing on page 127 that bugs me is the shape on his forehead. To me that looks like one of the speaker towers at Aquatic Park. The scribble inside that which presumably is his "eyebrow" sure looks like the word "mono" to me. Back in the 70s and early 80s the word mono was definitely used when talking about speakers and audio equipment. I believe if both Aquatic Park speaker towers ran off the same signal that would be considered a "mono" setup?

Then of course there are Alibi Elf's fingers on the left hand with "A" and "P", which could stand for Aquatic Park...

If someone could identify "giant pole, giant step" for this area I could get behind it over Legion of Honor. Both Legion of Honor and Aquatic Park have a lot going for them, still looking for that clue to push it definitively one way or the other. For the record I don't understand the fascination the majority have with Golden Gate Park.

[SluggoZim]

giant pole, giant step. i was thinking Candlestick Park but nothing else gets me there. i remember driving down to the stadium and on the left was a giant bat/pole with Giants on it. no reason to look there now.

[sfsean]

Woo I'm approved! Hey guys, I'm going to join you in helping to find this thing.

First, I'm coming into this from a practical, simplistic perspective. I've seen a lot of threads here where you guys make awesome connections that I feel are on the right track, others I simply don't agree with but that's fine, it's all guesswork and speculation anyways. I hope to respectfully bring up a couple concerns in the interest of either reaching your level of understanding, or finding more likely theories.

Sluggo - I gotta read more on your ideas but I like where your head is at. You sparked a couple ideas in me for sure.

Choice - I saw on another forum that you are the only person apart from myself to consider the Ina Coolbrith connection and find the stone wall door one block to the west of her namesake park, with a perfect line of sight to Alcatraz. I'm having such a difficult time escaping from that part of the map. That general area seems so practical, since the possible final locations of that area seem realistic (smaller, out of the way parks vs. Golden Gate Park, Legion of Honor, The Presidio, or places that would have been a logistical nightmare even in the early 80s).

Frankly, I'm deadset on the final solution being in that relative area. You just can't have a puzzle connected to immigration be anywhere outside of the Wharf-Marina/North Beach/Chinatown corridor - it has to at least start, pass through, or end there in my opinion.

I appreciate the theory about the moons and landmark alignment, a part of me finds it a bit too elaborate compared to the simplicity of the confirmed solves though. Also, the inclusion of Joe DiMaggio has me concerned even though Marilyn Monroe makes an appearance in the Japanese version - merely because the park was named for him in the 1981 and that would be cutting it very close - then add in the fact that they didn't officially change the name until well after The Secret's publication. I know JP was more native to SF than other locales, but I don't know how publicized the renaming was - maybe one of you do?

I don't mean to be malicious in this critique, because I want very badly for the core concept utilizing the moons to be true - I just struggle to see how you can jump to the conclusion that each moon represents a landmark, and then to assume that we must go from smallest moon to the biggest....it creates an interesting angle, but look at Chicago, Cleveland, or Boston. Once solved, they're all incredibly straightforward. Why would ours be any different?

I'll go ahead and answer that question, then forward the real question I have - I find Image #1 to be the most complex mostly due to the symbols on the bottom portion of the dress. I think I read you guys talking about what they mean in navigational sense? Are there any solid explanations for these? I feel like they are the missing link that so many people ignore, and I think it's more than just visual cues you'll see on the path.

Feel free to rip my introduction here. I've got a bunch of likely BS theories, mixed in with a couple good ones, that I'm excited to have debunked.

[choice]

Nov 21, 2019 7:03:07 GMT -5 sfsean said:

I appreciate the theory about the moons and landmark alignment, a part of me finds it a bit too elaborate compared to the simplicity of the confirmed solves though. Also, the inclusion of Joe DiMaggio has me concerned even though Marilyn Monroe makes an appearance in the Japanese version - merely because the park was named for him in the 1981 and that would be cutting it very close - then add in the fact that they didn't officially change the name until well after The Secret's publication. I know JP was more native to SF than other locales, but I don't know how publicized the renaming was - maybe one of you do?

I like to point out that the magazine images in the book are from April and May of 1982. 

i.imgur.com/5JLu14x.jpg

i.imgur.com/NpFeEcf.jpg

[sfsean]

I believe it, but where in the book are these magazine references? I’ve been dealing with a rough online copy as I wait for Amazon.

It’s definitely possible Joe D is involved, Priess seemed to enjoy baseball and sports. I know Mark Twain sure did

[choice]

Page 117. As I posted earlier somewhere in this forum, 12treasures.com/ had all pages of the book posted + additional references including Japanese edition hints. You will not be happy with Amazon copy. Click on [English Ed.] and you can read or download all pages. This particular page is around page 123 of the upload I believe.

[sfsean]

Oh wow, that's direct. I've not seen many of the "real" pictures.

One in particular immediately jumped out, the fairy that is playing a saxophone on a back porch. The hills/architecture are very SF-esque, but I just can't place exactly where he is....

Or the one of two dice on top of a newspaper showing snake eyes, or "Ace"s.......oh man. I don't know if I wanted to see these haha. Even more worrisome is that it says Meadowlands above it, making it NY...

[SluggoZim]

that looks like the south san francisco hills looking from the south.