sfsean
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Post by sfsean on Nov 22, 2019 20:34:47 GMT -5
I think the 883 in the blue circles over her shoulder is another case of seeing what you'r looking for that is not there. Just round circles like water or Hydrangea blooms. Also GGP limited the number of dig permits they issue to 2 a week so there's a rush to reserve spots for future possible solves. 9 month waiting last time I heard. So sad that they're going to wait all that time just to dig up dirt.
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Post by SluggoZim on Nov 22, 2019 20:48:53 GMT -5
yeah, baby!!! perhaps the chimera knee depicts how much of the pyramid is visible from the dig spot?
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Post by canuck on Nov 22, 2019 22:57:20 GMT -5
If you look at Mira Chimera's chest and upper torso you can see the number "35". If you look at the bottom right corner of The West Ghost image you will again see the number "35". So obviously it's an important clue as it's repeated,but what does it mean? I'm looking at addresses, signs, etc....nothing. Then I go back to those speaker towers that we like so much and wouldn't you know it, they are 35 feet tall!!!
sfsean, we do need 1 shadow as it is shown in Image 1 where the pearl is located. I'm not talking about the White's shadow theory stuff...all we need is an object that casts a partial round shadow. If you look around Maritime Park the only object that will give you the needed round shadow are the speaker towers! Furthermore, the platform that The West Ghost has the "barrel" on looks like the base of the speaker towers. Based on the clues the casque will be buried at the base of the west speaker tower, most likely the middle of the front facing east. That would also explain the shadow on the clock/compass on the table. Hopefully those shrub roots won't be too problematic. Anyone able to go to that location and do some probing?
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Post by choice on Nov 22, 2019 23:07:02 GMT -5
Anyone able to go to that location and do some probing? My question too. Does anyone want to commit federal offense?!
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Post by SluggoZim on Nov 22, 2019 23:12:21 GMT -5
awesome, but i may have a shadow for your consideration. back to the alibi elf. look at the tie? upside down, not a tie to me, looks like an anchor or giant pole sticking up and casting a shadow. interesting knobs around it. i am looking hard for the speaker tower. and by the gods, those rose leaves will line up. i have plenty of data points to try.
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Post by sfsean on Nov 22, 2019 23:20:37 GMT -5
If you look at Mira Chimera's chest and upper torso you can see the number "35". If you look at the bottom right corner of The West Ghost image you will again see the number "35". So obviously it's an important clue as it's repeated,but what does it mean? I'm looking at addresses, signs, etc....nothing. Then I go back to those speaker towers that we like so much and wouldn't you know it, they are 35 feet tall!!! sfsean, we do need 1 shadow as it is shown in Image 1 where the pearl is located. I'm not talking about the White's shadow theory stuff...all we need is an object that casts a partial round shadow. If you look around Maritime Park the only object that will give you the needed round shadow are the speaker towers! Furthermore, the platform that The West Ghost has the "barrel" on looks like the base of the speaker towers. Based on the clues the casque will be buried at the base of the west speaker tower, most likely the middle of the front facing east. That would also explain the shadow on the clock/compass on the table. Hopefully those shrub roots won't be too problematic. Anyone able to go to that location and do some probing? You do realize that without the shadow, the pearl would likely blend into her skin and be unrecognizable, right? I feel like you guys are failing to realize how simple the other solves were. They don't require that level of analysis and measurement. Good luck in your hunt, though
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Post by canuck on Nov 22, 2019 23:25:31 GMT -5
awesome, but i may have a shadow for your consideration. back to the alibi elf. look at the tie? upside down, not a tie to me, looks like an anchor or giant pole sticking up and casting a shadow. interesting knobs around it. i am looking hard for the speaker tower. and by the gods, those rose leaves will line up. i have plenty of data points to try. I've always thought there was something off with the "tie" as well, could be one of the Bower anchors out front of the museum?
I found the architectural drawings online for the speaker towers and only the west one had the "cage" on it and the east one was open...confirms the west speaker tower as the casque location.
I hear you Choice, that's why I said "probing", might be able to do it without drawing too much attention? I'm not sure about GPR, you likely wouldn't get one of those cart style ones close enough with those shrubs...would need a handheld unit.
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Post by SluggoZim on Nov 22, 2019 23:40:27 GMT -5
i think the shadow under the pearl suggests the casque is not buried at all, but above ground and at or near water. The place the casque is kept. place kept. the speaker towers are hollow. are there openings at the base large enough to stuff the box through then cover? if he will dig under home plate....it could be anywhere. onward.
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Post by canuck on Nov 22, 2019 23:48:03 GMT -5
If you look at Mira Chimera's chest and upper torso you can see the number "35". If you look at the bottom right corner of The West Ghost image you will again see the number "35". So obviously it's an important clue as it's repeated,but what does it mean? I'm looking at addresses, signs, etc....nothing. Then I go back to those speaker towers that we like so much and wouldn't you know it, they are 35 feet tall!!! sfsean, we do need 1 shadow as it is shown in Image 1 where the pearl is located. I'm not talking about the White's shadow theory stuff...all we need is an object that casts a partial round shadow. If you look around Maritime Park the only object that will give you the needed round shadow are the speaker towers! Furthermore, the platform that The West Ghost has the "barrel" on looks like the base of the speaker towers. Based on the clues the casque will be buried at the base of the west speaker tower, most likely the middle of the front facing east. That would also explain the shadow on the clock/compass on the table. Hopefully those shrub roots won't be too problematic. Anyone able to go to that location and do some probing? You do realize that without the shadow, the pearl would likely blend into her skin and be unrecognizable, right? I feel like you guys are failing to realize how simple the other solves were. They don't require that level of analysis and measurement. Good luck in your hunt, though That's not accurate as the "blue ring" would still delineate the pearl from her skin. That round black shadow is VERY purposeful and I've already shown how important the jewel orientation in the images were in all the found casques.
I'll admit there have been a couple things discussed that are a bit of a stretch, but for the most part all we've done is follow the clues given to us in the image, verse, and fair folk...how is that complicated?
You want to see complicated and crazy go join the Facebook groups...those people don't understand how the puzzles work and are hopeless.
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Post by choice on Nov 22, 2019 23:48:31 GMT -5
Necktie looks like a hammer hatchet. The rays by that hot tub with genie is spotter lights. There's one right below Black point pier used to spot enemy fighters around the bridge. This was proposed as the moons in the painting by bbi or Durian. It's in that shed in the middle of the Google page below: tinyurl.com/qpscljjAlso some writings in the cage where the bird's feet are.
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Post by SluggoZim on Nov 23, 2019 0:00:21 GMT -5
sfean, i get it about simple. but in the case of these hunts, simplicity is a revelation and reward for overcoming relentless ambiguity. that is exactly what we did yesterday as a diverse team, just like a Battlefield squad.
lets do NYC next!!!!!
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Post by sfsean on Nov 23, 2019 0:17:28 GMT -5
I'm just saying, if you guys take a step back and look at what the Chicago teenagers did beginning to end. They recognized the painting they had as Chicago. Then they went and found M and B, and then followed step by step instructions that led to their cask.
They didn't analyze the sun and shadows. They didn't need to draw lines on maps (besides to map the area and figure out the trees, but this was handwritten and done on the ground) And in no step of the way did they ever need to reference anything outside of the verse - they received a couple visual confirmations via their obvious cues. They were a group of teenagers who walked around, used their intuition and followed the directions. THE CUES SHOULD BE OBVIOUS AND IN FRONT OF OUR NOSES.
The same exact things can be said for Cleveland and Boston even if Boston was more difficult. They didn't have to TRY to make an explanation, the surroundings explained themselves. I know you're all deadset on this Aquatic Park thing, but I'm still waiting to hear a comprehensive explanation, as simple as proven solves, that ONLY includes the painting and the verse. Fairy's secrets come in twos. Not threes, fours, or fives.
But the bottom line is, 99% of these little sidequests we're going on are going to be absolutely and completely irrelevant. Finding the hidden, subtle hints, that's like looking for a needle in a haystack. We have face-value, real hints that don't require any stretching. The cable car. The dragon. Rocks/hills. It means San Francisco.
Now, for what you guys are suggesting, it requires much, MUCH deeper levels of analysis and justification to make the arguments. Do you think "a stone wall's door" is just anything made out of stone? It's the first line of the riddle. It's supposed to be an orienting factor. That's why I've thrown out many of my guesses at this line, because none of them FIT THE PURPOSE.
I just don't understand why one would choose to spend their time analyzing the smallest nooks and crannies of pages that aren't even confirmed to be associated with the solution. They are either coincidences or figments of your imagination. I'm genuinely sorry to point that out, but maybe if and once we get past that, we can make some actual progress.
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Post by canuck on Nov 23, 2019 0:54:51 GMT -5
I'm just saying, if you guys take a step back and look at what the Chicago teenagers did beginning to end. They recognized the painting they had as Chicago. Then they went and found M and B, and then followed step by step instructions that led to their cask. They didn't analyze the sun and shadows. They didn't need to draw lines on maps (besides to map the area and figure out the trees, but this was handwritten and done on the ground) And in no step of the way did they ever need to reference anything outside of the verse - they received a couple visual confirmations via their obvious cues. They were a group of teenagers who walked around, used their intuition and followed the directions. THE CUES SHOULD BE OBVIOUS AND IN FRONT OF OUR NOSES. The same exact things can be said for Cleveland and Boston even if Boston was more difficult. They didn't have to TRY to make an explanation, the surroundings explained themselves. I know you're all deadset on this Aquatic Park thing, but I'm still waiting to hear a comprehensive explanation, as simple as proven solves, that ONLY includes the painting and the verse. Fairy's secrets come in twos. Not threes, fours, or fives. But the bottom line is, 99% of these little sidequests we're going on are going to be absolutely and completely irrelevant. Finding the hidden, subtle hints, that's like looking for a needle in a haystack. We have face-value, real hints that don't require any stretching. The cable car. The dragon. Rocks/hills. It means San Francisco. Now, for what you guys are suggesting, it requires much, MUCH deeper levels of analysis and justification to make the arguments. Do you think "a stone wall's door" is just anything made out of stone? It's the first line of the riddle. It's supposed to be an orienting factor. That's why I've thrown out many of my guesses at this line, because none of them FIT THE PURPOSE. I just don't understand why one would choose to spend their time analyzing the smallest nooks and crannies of pages that aren't even confirmed to be associated with the solution. They are either coincidences or figments of your imagination. I'm genuinely sorry to point that out, but maybe if and once we get past that, we can make some actual progress. The teens in Chicago had the benefit of finding a casque within the 1st year of the book being published AND they had Byron help them out AND they were dead wrong on some of the clues including "M and B". They thought it stood for man and beast, when it actually stood for Mozart and Beethoven!
We don't get those luxuries with Byron passed on and 40 years of change occurring around the burial sites. These casques aren't in a vacuum frozen in time, the world around them is constantly changing and with it our chances at finding them diminish.
As for the "sun and shadows", like I said we aren't going into the White's "shadow theory" nonsense. The ONLY reason we are taking about shadows is because the San Francisco image demands that we do as one is next to the pearl. In any of the other 11 images there is absolutely NOTHING to do with "sun and shadows"!
Again you are incorrect about the Chicago teens, they actually spotted the Chicago Water Tower disguised as a windmill in the IMAGE first. They used a few things from the image, it wasn't just follow the verse as you claim.
You don't think we made progress? We made more progress in one night than most people make in YEARS.
The reason so many of these casques haven't been found is because most people AREN'T willing to think like a kid in the 1980s. They are hellbent on using the internet for everything and going down some crazy rabbit holes.
I think its more crazy to just say that the fair folk images are just "filler" and have no place in the hunt for the casques. I've used the images in that part of the book to make connections with most of the casques and there is no way it is "coincidence or imagination". Sluggo just went and matched up the tail and the wings of Mira Chimera to Aquatic Park...no doubt about it and you just want to pretend that is nothing?
It seems to me that you don't want it to be Aquatic/Maritime Park, but there are tons of clues screaming that it's the casque burial site! Look I bounced around between Legion of Honor and Aquatic Park and up until a couple days ago Legion of Honor was still my #1 spot...things change and being open to possibilities is what gets you ahead with these puzzles. You will get to a point though where the evidence becomes so overwhelming that the general location is undeniable and I feel we are there with Aquatic Park. Sure the exact dig spot is up for debate, but until we get some actual probing and potentially digging we'll be stuck at that level of progress. That is why I asked if anyone could do some probing and either confirm or rule out the base of the west speaker tower.
You want a stone walls door in the vicinity? How about the Ghirardelli one at the corner of North Point Street and Larkin? You can also see Galileo High (Education) and Alcatraz (Justice) from that spot.
You are more than welcome to keep working with us, but if you are reddit user SFKeyOhmyGod it appears you may have already moved on and are looking for a group that you already had here.
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Post by sfsean on Nov 23, 2019 1:52:48 GMT -5
"Near ace is high Running north, but first across In jewel’s direction Is an object Of Twain’s attention Giant pole Giant step To the place The casque is kept."
Explain how the rest of this verse aligns with your theory without using the extraneous information from the book.
I don't have a horse in the race on this, but if you can't see how you have stretched then nothing I say is going to convince you of it
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Post by canuck on Nov 23, 2019 11:58:28 GMT -5
"Near ace is high Running north, but first across In jewel’s direction Is an object Of Twain’s attention Giant pole Giant step To the place The casque is kept." Explain how the rest of this verse aligns with your theory without using the extraneous information from the book. I don't have a horse in the race on this, but if you can't see how you have stretched then nothing I say is going to convince you of it Cmon sfsean, you wrote on reddit that you were new to The Secret, what is it now...3-4 days and you come in guns blazing on us?
Look you already posted a bunch of stuff about Chicago that wasn't even true, do yourself a favor and take the time to learn the history of The Secret.
So you like Ina Coolbrith Park because of "Of Twain's attention" right? Well I did something similar with "Giant pole, Giant Step" in regards to the El Cid statue at Legion of Honor and went down that rabbit hole. What I learned from that was not to fixate on one thing and then try and make the surrounding features fit with it.
As for the fair folk matches there is nothing "extraneous" about them, the puzzles have 3 elements: image, verse and fair folk type. In some cases, particularly with San Francisco and New York there are multiple fair folk types that go with those puzzles and that may explain why those 2 images have a different shape than the other 10 images. Just because the majority of people are unwilling to accept this does not make it untrue.
People have just been using image and verse because they are very obvious. There are examples of elements that have taken decades to come to light with The Secret. The best example is the lat/long co-ordinates hidden in the images and how they help narrow down which cities the casques are hidden in. That particular element has only been accepted by people for about 15 years, so it took about 25 years for that to be in play even though it was supposed to be from when the book came out!
I'm not a member of too many online Secret websites, but I did put this out there on the podcast page and the reception was lukewarm at best. The general attitude is that they've been working on the puzzles for decades and so nobody new is just going to come in and find something that they didn't already know about...it's all about ego and it's pretty sad really as it hinders any real progress on the puzzles.
The biggest issue in my mind is you have these types of people looking at The Secret and there is no getting through to them. The largest group are the people who watched EU, learned about the puzzle and now they are using the internet, going down crazy rabbit holes that are super complicated and just peppering the Facebook pages and other resources with their insanity.
Then you have the other group who have been looking at The Secret for decades and have become so arrogant about the puzzle and act like there is nothing new to learn that they immediately shut down anything new that is presented to them. The end result is that this group just keeps looking at the same thing again and again and never make any progress on the puzzles.
Then you have this tiny group of people like choice, sluggozim and myself who are taking the time to analyze these puzzles from a 1980s perspective using only the tools that would have been readily available and actually looking at the clues presented in The Secret. Back in the early 80s your biggest resource for finding these casques would be a copy of The Secret and yet you really think a big portion of said book is going to be "extraneous information"? Give your head a shake!
I'll demonstrate with the Chicago fair folk type, which is "The Hounds of News" on pages 180-181.
You have the dog sitting at the bar with a monocle, so that is a hint about the Loop neighborhood in Chicago. You have the other dog on a typewriter and the top of the typewriter is shaped like a giant "C", so that is a hint for Chicago.
You have the guy laying on the ground and the way all the items are placed it looks like he's a football player clutching a ball near a yard line. He also bears a bit of a resemblance to Mike Ditka who was Bears head coach at the time. Also of note is that he has the number "34" in his hair, which just happens to be Walter Payton's number and he was the star athlete in Chicago when The Secret was published. It's also noteworthy that Soldier Field is right next to Grant Park.
You have the bartender with a rag draped over his arm that is in the exact shape of Grant Park.
There may well be other clues in there as well, but those are some of the more obvious ones.
The teenagers in Chicago didn't need "The Hounds of News" in order to find the casque, but that doesn't mean that it's not important. It just means they were oblivious to its existence. That's not a knock on them, they just honestly had no clue that resource was available to them. The fair folk matches don't make or break whether you will find a casque, they provide additional clues for the city and general area you need to search. Can you find a casque without them? Obviously, as its been done 3 times. Do they help you narrow down the search area? Absolutely they do!
This is why when sluggo made those tail and wing matches with Mira Chimera to Maritime/Aquatic Park the other day there was no doubt in my mind we had the correct park for San Francisco.
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