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Post by Jenny on Jan 15, 2020 9:29:37 GMT -5
In another thread, Theoretical (username), mentioned how if we don't have the correct WWWH, Forrest says we don't have anything....
What helps us confirm WWWH?
Is it only the other clues falling into place or do you think there is something in the poem that helps identify it?
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Post by Jenny on Jan 15, 2020 10:15:17 GMT -5
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Post by davo on Jan 15, 2020 10:47:04 GMT -5
Indeed.
I've always thought that when Forest said the one who finds it will "move with confidence" that it is not because they are confident in the location, but rather confident in their journey. eg: find their wwwh and execute - actually go botg and explore.
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Post by theoretical on Jan 15, 2020 13:34:33 GMT -5
I think there has to be something in the poem that links to WWWH. FF has stated he put a lot of time into developing the poem. I believe he has said the clues are contiguous with one leading to the next. Why would he take such great care to develop the nine clues that we are supposed to marry to a map but put nothing in the poem as to the location of WWWH? That doesn’t make sense to me. In fact, I am wondering if there might not be several words in the poem, including the key word, that might help identify the location of WWWH.
It also makes sense to me that even with the identification of the correct WWWH, it is still necessary to go botg to follow the clues.
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Post by fundamentaldesign on Jan 15, 2020 14:09:12 GMT -5
My thought is the problem and answer is the same as for the other clues.
*If*you can’t figure out any of the following clues out on their own then why would one be able to figure out wwwh on its own?
The other clues answers hinges on having the correct answer to the clue before them.
Therefore, the first clue hinges on the correct interpretation of the first stanza.
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Post by CJ on Jan 15, 2020 14:11:03 GMT -5
So, I think that you have to figure out where warm waters halt in your mind - and I think the hints in the book kind of point you to that. Once you've done that, then I think you can start to figure out the clues in the poem and how/why they are "contiguous". I think the book also helps you to figure out the clues by hinting at the ORDER of the clues - once you've done that, you kind of have a start. I also think that some of the clues have really good hints in the book to help find them, but some other clues (in the poem) I don't think have ever been mentioned or hinted at in the book, the blogs, or scrapbooks - AT ALL.
This is why I think people have difficulty getting past the first 2-4 clues. I might have those - but I'm stuck now...and digging for what might come next.
I do still think that you figure out 8 of them, draw lines between them, and the 9th clue is the place where the lines cross. The 8 clues make an asterisk, or star shape on the map - THAT's the blaze....so driving around looking for it won't help.
I'll also say two more things about my thinking that may or may not be right in my opinion:
1. There may a really good reason why the poem starts with him being alone - and by the second line, he isn't.
2. There is one word in the poem that helps a lot more than others - and it should be obvious....because it's Brown - in my opinion - and that word is also why there's an important piece of the story that is missing.
I don't know if others are following this same line of thinking, and I kind of love and hate feeling like I'm on to something - frankly, this time it's making me nervous....about who else might have figured this out a long time ago, and almost more nervous thinking "what if I'm right?". If I'm right, the solution is simple and makes sense - and people are just looking in the wrong (clue) places - and in many cases, confining their search for clues to the search states, which I don't believe is where they are.
There are potentially some problems with my theory.
It does kind of baffle me that someone made it within 200' of the thing without knowing all of this. If I'm right, the poem leads you to exactly where it is, and there is no easy way to just "guess" or "figure out" where warm waters halt in the Rocky Mountains. So, I may be completely off base with this thing....but I have to wonder...maybe double meanings of these places? I'm not sure. I'm also not yet using all of the words in the poem, and not sure if I can figure out a way to do that...so my theory may be blown.
I'm also thinking that if someone before me had worked on this idea (and I'm sure that they have) - why didn't someone get it already....if my current thoughts are right, it's just a matter of time and effort to find the rest of the "points". I'm full of doubt about the thing, but at least I have a new way of thinking about it, so I'm still in the chase after a long respite.
That's all that I can say for now. I usually share nearly everything here - and hate when people post "I know where it is, but I'm not telling", but this time I fear I may be filling in too many of the blanks for someone else. I don't know where it is - I just think that I may have finally started to figure out the why of it all - and that may get me somewhere this time. Maybe some of those thoughts will spur someone else on to victory though.
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Post by rahrah on Jan 15, 2020 19:23:41 GMT -5
I think there has to be something in the poem that links to WWWH. FF has stated he put a lot of time into developing the poem. I believe he has said the clues are contiguous with one leading to the next. Why would he take such great care to develop the nine clues that we are supposed to marry to a map but put nothing in the poem as to the location of WWWH? That doesn’t make sense to me. In fact, I am wondering if there might not be several words in the poem, including the key word, that might help identify the location of WWWH. It also makes sense to me that even with the identification of the correct WWWH, it is still necessary to go botg to follow the clues. Based on what I'e worked out, I would say 'yes' something in the poem links to wwwh. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 8:47:10 GMT -5
I think there has to be something in the poem that links to WWWH. FF has stated he put a lot of time into developing the poem. I believe he has said the clues are contiguous with one leading to the next. Why would he take such great care to develop the nine clues that we are supposed to marry to a map but put nothing in the poem as to the location of WWWH? That doesn’t make sense to me. In fact, I am wondering if there might not be several words in the poem, including the key word, that might help identify the location of WWWH. It also makes sense to me that even with the identification of the correct WWWH, it is still necessary to go botg to follow the clues. Based on what I'e worked out, I would say 'yes' something in the poem links to wwwh. It's the entire poem as a whole. When you have the correct starting point every line in the poem automatically connects with the next, like a set of boxcars connected to the engine. For me the 200' and 500' searchers were only that close because it was early in the chase, fresh eyes and no clutter from the blog's distorting the correct solution, but hand in hand that works both ways, they missed a key clue that Forrest decided to give out at some point, and it's going to wind-up being that one thing nobody has thought about. |
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Post by CJ on Jan 16, 2020 9:28:01 GMT -5
Based on what I'e worked out, I would say 'yes' something in the poem links to wwwh. It's the entire poem as a whole. When you have the correct starting point every line in the poem automatically connects with the next, like a set of boxcars connected to the engine. For me the 200' and 500' searchers were only that close because it was early in the chase, fresh eyes and no clutter from the blog's distorting the correct solution, but hand in hand that works both ways, they missed a key clue that Forrest decided to give out at some point, and it's going to wind-up being that one thing nobody has thought about. I do agree with that....at least that all of the lines in the poem "connect" - and I think that's tied to the thing that everyone has missed - it's all "connected". |
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Post by Jenny on Mar 11, 2020 14:10:09 GMT -5
Top Six Quotes on WWWH/first clue and what they might tell us? (full list of WWWH quotes on MW: mysteriouswritings.com/forrest-fenn-quotes-on-where-warm-waters-halt-and-the-first-clue/Final thoughts from those top six quotes, I feel are: WWWH is first clue Warm waters is caused by a thermal feature Figuring out WWWH is the most important to having a successful solution You can’t find the Blaze before finding the Correct WWWH first You must start at WWWH, the first clue, and follow the other eight clues in order in the poem to find the treasure chest. |
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Post by theoretical on Mar 11, 2020 14:57:04 GMT -5
Top Six Quotes on WWWH/first clue and what they might tell us? (full list of WWWH quotes on MW: mysteriouswritings.com/forrest-fenn-quotes-on-where-warm-waters-halt-and-the-first-clue/Final thoughts from those top six quotes, I feel are: WWWH is first clue Warm waters is caused by a thermal feature Figuring out WWWH is the most important to having a successful solution You can’t find the Blaze before finding the Correct WWWH first You must start at WWWH, the first clue, and follow the other eight clues in order in the poem to find the treasure chest. Jenny - I have a question about the statement “warm waters is caused by a thermal feature.” I am aware of the FF question “Have you dipped your toes in it” But is there any evidence or proof that FF is not being facetious when he asks this? Perhaps he knows a yes answer would show the searcher has the wrong WWWH? I believe he has used that technique before on those who claim to have found the treasure. I don’t think saying there is no warm water under Cynthia’s bridge eliminates other warm water possibilities either. Am I missing something definitive here? |
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Post by Jenny on Mar 11, 2020 15:05:22 GMT -5
Please know I prefaced that list with " I feel "..... I didn't state them as fact, because all the things can't be said to be......
However, in the video and in the WWWH list on MW, we do have Forrest saying in a discussion on touching warm waters: (I just gave a clip)
Forrest asks: Did you ask her to show you the warm water?
Lady Reporter: Ah..no I didn’t touch the water… but she told us of the place.
Forrest answers: See there.. she wanted to find a place, so she manufactured a place where warm water halts… There’s no warm water under that bridge, I promise you.
This to me suggests the waters of the poem are 'warm to the touch'....... but I know it might not be...
And you make a great point....
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Post by harrytruman on Mar 11, 2020 15:23:09 GMT -5
Here is what I think I know about WWWH:
1) it is water (not tears or humidity or ice, etc.)
2) it is water that was moving just prior to the “halt” location (and might be moving beyond the halt location as well, if the “halt” is temporary and/or refers to a change in temperature)
3) it is not halted by or otherwise associated with a dam
4) it is warm to the touch (and thus might be considered “comfortable”)
5) it can be identified before going BOTG
6) it is a physical/geographical location that you can “marry” to a map
7) it is identifiable (and thus likely named) on a map of the entire US Rocky Mountains (which might rule out the special trout waters of any particular state)
8) it can be identified without reading TTOTC (though one or more of the good hints, subtle hints, and/or aberrations in the book might help)
9) it can be identified without knowing about or using “head pressures, foot pounds, acre feet, bible verses, Latin, cubic inches, icons, fonts, charts, graphs, formulas, curved lines, magnetic variation, codes, depth meters, riddles, drones or ciphers”
10) it is a location that an increasing number of searchers correctly identified each search season between 2012 and 2015, at least (though they didn't know they had done so correctly)
11) it is a destination at which non-searchers in the mid 2010s continually arrived (and thus probably still arrive at today), though they were/are oblivious to the location’s connection to Forrest’s poem
12) it is physically in or very near a canyon (into and “down” which a searcher can proceed some significant physical distance by some means other than walking)
To me, having a WWWH that checks all of these boxes is essential, but even then nothing will completely confirm that one's WWWH is correct short of holding the treasure chest. . . .
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Post by van on Mar 11, 2020 16:01:52 GMT -5
How can the little girl from India solve WWWH if she needs to touch the water to verify its warm at a specific location? I think when FF tells searchers to dip/stick their toes in the water, he means they need to start over. They should be wearing boots/shoes anyway.
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Post by goldilocks on Mar 11, 2020 16:26:47 GMT -5
I think when he said did you dip your toe in it he meant did you test out your theory.
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