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Post by miracleman on Apr 20, 2020 13:09:15 GMT -5
Is it possible that one goes right past the blaze before they actually get to that clue in the solve? For instance you might drive past it, park your car and walk back towards it (and the rest of the clues)?
For me this appears to be a good possibility. This brings up two questions - at the end of the solve are you actually near the blaze? And is it possible that the 500 foot searchers were physically at the blaze - that was the problem. They should’ve been at the TC location viewing the blaze.
Just some recent thinking.
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Post by miracleman on Apr 21, 2020 4:18:09 GMT -5
This could also account for the “no shortcuts” phrase. It might very well be possible to find the blaze on its own if you’re in the area but that won’t help you. If you go straight to the blaze without following the other clues, you’ll be in the wrong spot and unable to find TC. Maybe if you’re in the right spot you only see the blaze from a distance. This would prevent someone from just going straight to the blaze. Could this also be what makes the spot special? A beautiful view of the blaze?
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Post by longfellow on Apr 21, 2020 7:37:14 GMT -5
This could also account for the “no shortcuts” phrase. It might very well be possible to find the blaze on its own if you’re in the area but that won’t help you. If you go straight to the blaze without following the other clues, you’ll be in the wrong spot and unable to find TC. Maybe if you’re in the right spot you only see the blaze from a distance. This would prevent someone from just going straight to the blaze. Could this also be what makes the spot special? A beautiful view of the blaze?
Miracleman,
The following statement was made by Forrest during the post-screening Q&A for "The Lure." This was in Albuquerque, NM on 5/18/2017:
"If you find the correct starting point and follow the poem to the blaze, you will find the treasure chest. The treasure is at the blaze, if you follow the correct first clue."
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Post by miracleman on Apr 21, 2020 11:38:31 GMT -5
Thanks Longfellow. I like this quote because I think it’s just artfully vague enough to include my scenario.
For instance, if you were giving directions to a deli in New York City you could say to someone “go to the end of the street until you get to the Statue of Liberty and the deli is right there.” Of course this would be accurate AND the deli and SOL would not be located anywhere near each other, SOL would be in view but not close to deli.
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Post by locolobo on Apr 21, 2020 14:15:49 GMT -5
Thanks Longfellow. I like this quote because I think it’s just artfully vague enough to include my scenario. For instance, if you were giving directions to a deli in New York City you could say to someone “go to the end of the street until you get to the Statue of Liberty and the deli is right there.” Of course this would be accurate AND the deli and SOL would not be located anywhere near each other, SOL would be in view but not close to deli. mm, I would suggest that you go to www.tarryscant.com/ and do a search for: 'The Lure Q&A'. There were eight (8) questions and answers. Tarry Scant has a good transcription of them. Also, they provide a link to each so you can listen to them yourself......it does not appear that Fenn made the comment that 'longfellow' provided to you?
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Post by longfellow on Apr 21, 2020 20:21:30 GMT -5
Thanks Longfellow. I like this quote because I think it’s just artfully vague enough to include my scenario. For instance, if you were giving directions to a deli in New York City you could say to someone “go to the end of the street until you get to the Statue of Liberty and the deli is right there.” Of course this would be accurate AND the deli and SOL would not be located anywhere near each other, SOL would be in view but not close to deli. mm, I would suggest that you go to www.tarryscant.com/ and do a search for: 'The Lure Q&A'. There were eight (8) questions and answers. Tarry Scant has a good transcription of them. Also, they provide a link to each so you can listen to them yourself......it does not appear that Fenn made the comment that 'longfellow' provided to you?
Locolobo, I grabbed this quote from Cynthia’s blog, trusting that she had it right. I’ve asked her for assistance in verifying it’s authenticity based upon the original full video. What some may not know or remember is that the original video(s) that were recorded by Toby Younis, were pulled from the internet within hours of their original posting, based upon Fenn’s request that they be taken down. The videos that are currently available are only very, very short snippets of the full interview. The original video I watched was actually fairly long and Forrest was getting questions from audience members and responding to those. I watched the full interview before it was pulled and remember him saying something very much like this, if not this identical quote. There was supposedly a transcript made available which people could request through Toby’s site back in 2017. I’ve asked Cynthia if she has a copy of that transcript and if she would be willing to share it. In summary, what is available on TarryScant and A Gypsy’s Kiss YouTube channel isn’t even close to the full extent of the original video content. If I can get my hands on any additional resources I will provide them. |
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Post by miracleman on Apr 21, 2020 20:35:29 GMT -5
What some may not know or remember is that the original video(s) that were recorded by Toby Younis, were pulled from the internet within hours of their original posting, based upon Fenn’s request that they be taken down. Thanks Loco and Longfellow, I did not know this. Any idea why Forrest requested the videos be taken down? |
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Post by longfellow on Apr 21, 2020 20:44:41 GMT -5
What some may not know or remember is that the original video(s) that were recorded by Toby Younis, were pulled from the internet within hours of their original posting, based upon Fenn’s request that they be taken down. Thanks Loco and Longfellow, I did not know this. Any idea why Forrest requested the videos be taken down? Because his hearing is bad and he was not understanding, or fully understanding, some of the questions being asked of him. In a nutshell, I think he was a little bit embarrassed by his “performance.” I can understand. I’m only 49, but my hearing is getting pretty bad. Lots of guns and airplanes in my life. Both can lead to early hearing loss. |
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Post by miracleman on Apr 21, 2020 21:02:29 GMT -5
Thanks Longfellow for the info,, but I was kind of hoping it was because he possibly revealed something he wished he hadn’t!  |
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Post by longfellow on Apr 21, 2020 21:14:40 GMT -5
Thanks Longfellow for the info,, but I was kind of hoping it was because he possibly revealed something he wished he hadn’t! Maybe he had a little of that too, who knows  I will say, I remember it being the first time I heard him clarify (for me) that the blaze and treasure are collocated. It was a new piece of confirmation for the search community. Kind of like Forrest’s recent interviews with KPro, Cowlazars, Cynthia where he confirmed the “word that is key” is a word that is in the poem. For me, these are comments that are rare and they “stand out,” like the blaze itself. |
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Post by locolobo on Apr 22, 2020 1:06:44 GMT -5
mm, I would suggest that you go to www.tarryscant.com/ and do a search for: 'The Lure Q&A'. There were eight (8) questions and answers. Tarry Scant has a good transcription of them. Also, they provide a link to each so you can listen to them yourself......it does not appear that Fenn made the comment that 'longfellow' provided to you?
Locolobo, I grabbed this quote from Cynthia’s blog, trusting that she had it right. I’ve asked her for assistance in verifying it’s authenticity based upon the original full video. What some may not know or remember is that the original video(s) that were recorded by Toby Younis, were pulled from the internet within hours of their original posting, based upon Fenn’s request that they be taken down. The videos that are currently available are only very, very short snippets of the full interview. The original video I watched was actually fairly long and Forrest was getting questions from audience members and responding to those. I watched the full interview before it was pulled and remember him saying something very much like this, if not this identical quote. There was supposedly a transcript made available which people could request through Toby’s site back in 2017. I’ve asked Cynthia if she has a copy of that transcript and if she would be willing to share it. In summary, what is available on TarryScant and A Gypsy’s Kiss YouTube channel isn’t even close to the full extent of the original video content. If I can get my hands on any additional resources I will provide them. @ longfellow:
Well, this is going to be a long post!!
Yes, I am well aware of the original video. I also listened to it in its entirety and, yes, that dang spook took it down before I got it transcribed! Not to question you're hearing, but I did not come away with the thought of him saying something very much like that, if not the identical quote??? I felt like the 'snippets' that Toby reposted were accurate to what Fenn said.
Also, I'll submit this:
There was a thread at ChaseChat by Toby titled:The Events of May 18 and November 2, 2017 (He or Stephanie deleted it and I did not archive it) A searcher named 'Roll Tide' asked Toby very direct questions about the video in question (which I did copy and save)....and Toby answered them honestly, I believe.
web.archive.org/web/20171108141251/http://www.chasechat.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=5 - - verification that the thread existed …………………………………………………...
www.chasechat.com/showthread.php?tid=9065&pid=182449#pid182449
Nov. 10, 2017 -
tyounis
RE: The Events of May 18 and November 2, 2017
(Yesterday, 06:45 AM)ROLL TIDE Wrote:
Toby,
1) Did you EVER, at any time, have in your possession or have access to, audio and/or video of Forrest Fenn saying the treasure/chest is at, or will be/can be, found at the blaze ?
2) If no, do you now or did you at any point in the past, have reasonably credible knowledge of any audio/video wherein Forrest Fenn can be heard stating that the treasure/chest is at, or will be/can be, found at the blaze ?
3) Have you ever at any point, personally heard Forrest Fenn state that the treasure/chest is at, or will be/can be, found at the blaze ?
Thank You.
LOL! Thanks for asking.
1. No
2. No
3. No
Those are my final words on the matter.
Toby Michael Younis
So, as with everything Fenn, there are questions. I hope you get a reply from Cynthia, I look forward to reading it. Good Luck to You Guys......loco
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Post by miracleman on Apr 22, 2020 6:25:51 GMT -5
loco, thank you for keeping us honest. Appreciate the clarification.
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Post by longfellow on Apr 22, 2020 7:18:33 GMT -5
Locolobo, That was a long post, but worth the read. I was not aware of that exchange, but one thing is for sure, pulling the original videos sure did cause some consternation in the search community. It’s funny that “Roll Tide” was asking specifically about the collocation of the blaze and treasure/chest. If this was a point of contention, I suspect that I am not the only one that viewed the original video and remembered him saying that. Regardless, thanks for the feedback. I sent Cynthia a second query hoping for a copy of the transcript, but haven’t heard back yet. I’m not convinced that whatever transcript Toby offered at the time necessarily captured everything that went down in the screening room on that fateful day. I know that Forrest had already communicated that he didn’t want to answer any questions that day, but then got pulled onto stage and blindsided by a barrage of questions. I think he said more than he wanted to and was pretty hacked-off about the whole thing, including his perception of his ‘performance’ which is why he asked Toby to pull it. The world may never know...  P.S. This is the only place that I can remember him making it this clear. The closest he has come since, to my knowledge, is (parphrased) ...when you get to the ninth clue, look down, because that’s where the treasure chest is. You can listen to that in Part 3 of the Voice of America Unedited Interviews on Dal’s (tried to post a link, but I can’t make it work on this bloody iPad). I can edit from my PC later. |
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Post by goldilocks on Apr 22, 2020 7:40:40 GMT -5
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Post by longfellow on Apr 22, 2020 12:29:32 GMT -5
I heard back from Cynthia regarding the transcription. She does remember the transcription being offered and having requested it, but she indicates that she does not have it in her possession anymore. That all went down in May of 2017. I have little confidence at this point that any definitive proof will be made available to confirm if Forrest actually said what I quoted. My confidence in putting it down as a quote on this forum was based upon my memory, which is a fallible human faculty, reinforced by Cynthia's having it posted as a blaze-related quote on her blog. I have a fair bit of faith in Cynthia's postings based upon her prolific efforts, both in research and BOTGs.
I do want to be clear that I did it with good faith intent to help, not mislead.
Regardless, the treasure chest either is, or isn't, collocated with the blaze but, it's probably not a great idea for any of us to take either option entirely off the table. In the end, perhaps only the eventual finder (besides Forrest) will know the answer to that question.
Cheers
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