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Post by Bownarrow on May 1, 2020 23:32:18 GMT -5
"I’ve said before that I didn’t write that poem, it was written by an architect"
If this statement is taken literally, it seems to point to the idea that ff was not the person who wrote the poem, and that it was written by an architect.
He has of course made other statements that indicate that he was the one who wrote the poem. Most of these statements however refer to "I" or "me" as being the writer of the poem. However, if the I/me referred to as as being the writer of the poem is someone other than himself, these seemingly contradictory statements about who wrote the poem can be reconciled.
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Post by Bownarrow on May 2, 2020 13:12:48 GMT -5
I do not understand how the idea that ff wrote the poem can hold up in the light of this statement if it is read literally.
The only idea that I have come up with that might explain how, is if ff channelled the poem. Authors of channelled works often credit authorship of the work to some deceased,alien or angelic being other than them selves, even if they are the individual who actually transcribed the message onto paper.
This is a possibility, but from my limited experience of seeing, hearing and reading ff's words however, this idea seems unlikely.
Does anyone have any other idea as to how this statement can be reconciled with the idea of ff being the author of the poem?
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Post by brianu on May 2, 2020 13:44:52 GMT -5
I've heard of books and poems being written by other people before.sometimes a light goes off and stuff just happens.
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Post by astree on May 2, 2020 13:47:08 GMT -5
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Post by theoretical on May 2, 2020 15:09:47 GMT -5
"I’ve said before that I didn’t write that poem, it was written by an architect"
If this statement is taken literally, it seems to point to the idea that ff was not the person who wrote the poem, and that it was written by an architect.
He has of course made other statements that indicate that he was the one who wrote the poem. Most of these statements however refer to "I" or "me" as being the writer of the poem. However, if the I/me referred to as as being the writer of the poem is someone other than himself, these seemingly contradictory statements about who wrote the poem can be reconciled.
BNA - I think that is a misquote you are quoting. Scroll further down on the link you provided and you can see how the misquoter was corrected. As far as I know, he didn’t say he didn’t write it. |
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Post by ontheedge on May 2, 2020 15:17:43 GMT -5
Perhaps, like Holden Caulfield being the "true" author of Important Literature, the idea here is that Fenn is suggesting he wrote the poem as if we was someone else / from another person's perspective (a particular real or literary architect, and possibly not in the conventional sense of the term). Suppose that touches on the "I" problem too. I think FF has provided some support for the Holden Caulfield suggestion with a quote where he notes that he started the book when he was a boy, or something to that effect... cant find that actual quote(s).
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Post by Bownarrow on May 3, 2020 2:06:23 GMT -5
Thanks theoretical,
It was not actually the quote that I remember but it was the closest one to it that I could find.
I thought I read the original statement on Dal's site, and I distinctly remember it because I had to reread it a number of times to check that he had actually said what I thought he had. There is no doubt in my mind that he said something to the effect that he had not written the poem.
In my memory the original statement was a simple statement like - "I didn't write the poem . It was written by an architect."
If anyone can find the original statement it would be much appreciated if it could be posted.
Astree,
Yes I thought about the Great Architect as well, but this still doesn't explain away the statement that he didn't write it. Even if the poem was channelled from the Great Architect ff would still have written it.
In Latin an architect is architectus which may also be translated as author. I have found the names of a few other authors in the poem. One in particular stands out.
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Post by Bownarrow on May 3, 2020 2:18:16 GMT -5
dalneitzel.com/2014/11/08/architecture-of-the-poem/Goofy_Old_Guy on November 8, 2014 at 3:42 pm said: Interesting subject; I suppose we should start with Fenn’s statement about the poem being written by an architect:
Well, you know…let me put this in perspective. So many people have decided they’re going to take a picnic lunch out on Sunday and look for the treasure…or something to do over spring break. I’m lookin’ at a hundred years down the road…a thousand years, maybe ten thousand years down the road. It took me 15 years to write the poem. I’ve changed it so many times and I’ve said before that I didn’t write that poem…it was written by an architect…each word is deliberate.
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Post by astree on May 3, 2020 6:27:02 GMT -5
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Thanks for the quote bow and arrow. Very interesting. First he says it took him 15 years to write the poem which means that he did write it. Then he says that he said it before, that he didn’t write that poem.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2020 6:49:25 GMT -5
An architect has something built according to plans, which means there are measurements and geometry involved when doing so. Architects have a method they follow in order to create their plans and this means so does the poem. If you reverse engineer this thought and start from the finished product back, you would find the same method and could recreate the architects plans for your benefit. If the poem is a map and we are to marry the architectural words to create an architectural map and there is a particular method in doing so. We need to find this method. For Forrest to use the word "architect" holds heavy to the poem having a solve method.
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Post by zaphod73491 on May 3, 2020 14:16:36 GMT -5
. Thanks for the quote bow and arrow. Very interesting. First he says it took him 15 years to write the poem which means that he did write it. Then he says that he said it before, that he didn’t write that poem. I think it's just a matter of context. From "On the Road with Charlie - Part one" (5/28/2017):
FF: "Well, I worked on the poem on and off for a few years. Because I had to change it. I thought I was gonna die. And so the initial part of my poem said something like, ‘Leave my bones alone. Take the chest and go in peace.’ But then when I got well, I ruined the story. So I had to change that and I’ve said before that that poem was really written by an architect. Every word is placed in there strategically, and you can’t ignore any of the nouns in that poem."
He's speaking about himself in the 3rd person. A poet (him) didn't write the poem; an architect (him) constructed it. That should suggest to searchers that there is more to the poem than just nine sentences of simple words. To remove any doubt that Forrest is the author/poet/architect of the poem, consider his wording at Moby Dickens Book Shop in 2013: "When you read the poem, it looks like just … just simple words there, but I guarantee you I worked on that thing. I felt like an architect drawing that poem."
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Post by goldilocks on May 3, 2020 14:35:25 GMT -5
This short audio supports that Forrest wrote the poem and thought about each and every word in there. If Forrest had to look up every noun and adjective, there is a reason, as Zap suggested above. www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8b_Me5Uwyw |
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Post by davebakedpotato on May 3, 2020 17:03:23 GMT -5
P131 & 132 TTOTC "So I wrote a poem containing nine clues...".
Add in all the quotes about only Forrest knowing where the treasure is. How could anyone else write the poem without knowing where the chest is?
The architect is clearly Forrest.
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Post by Bownarrow on May 4, 2020 2:10:05 GMT -5
P131 & 132 TTOTC "So I wrote a poem containing nine clues...". Add in all the quotes about only Forrest knowing where the treasure is. How could anyone else write the poem without knowing where the chest is? The architect is clearly Forrest.
dbp,
In answer to your question my answer would be: "Two can keep a secret if one of them is dead"
I am all but certain that the author of the poem is not ff .
When he uses the pronouns "I" and "me" I believe they have a different referent in different contexts. When an actor/actress uses the word "I" and "me" they may using them to refer to their self - the actor/actress, or to the character they are playing. I believe that ff uses these words in a both ways in different places.
The "I/me" can therefore refer to two (or more) different people - ff and another individual/s whose identity/ies he switches to periodically from time to time in his writing - while it still appears on the surface that the I/me who is speaking/writing the words is ff.
Another good analogy for what I am talking about is multiple personality disorder(dissociative identity disorder).
A good example of how this way of looking at ff's statements can alter one's perceptions, is the quote given by Zap:
"When you read the poem, it looks like just … just simple words there, but I guarantee you I worked on that thing. I felt like an architect drawing that poem."
This quote has been pointed to as a statement that removes any doubt that ff is the author. If however the speaker/writer to who the I's refer in this quote is the anonymous other posited author of the poem into whose voice ff has switched, then the conclusion that is inferred from it - it removes any doubt that ff is the author - does not necessarily follow.
I hope you don't mind me using the example you gave Zap.
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Post by astree on May 4, 2020 7:02:09 GMT -5
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It seems pretty clear that forest authored the poem, although exactly when in absolute terms and relative to when he hid the treasurer is a bit tricky maybe.
But, Can we assign the words “I didn’t write that poem” to Forrest?
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