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Post by Jenny on May 21, 2020 7:03:45 GMT -5
I'm sure we all know the lines: From there it’s no place for the meek,
The end is ever drawing nigh;There are many who feel meek might be Meek, as in Joe Meek (who is mentioned in Journal of a Trapper- a book referenced by Forrest).... and then many feel it is an adjective, hinting that at this point in the poem, you head off trail..... But it could be a play with both- adjective and noun..... The word isn't capped, so if referring to Meek, the person, it is somewhat a 'hidden noun'..... possibly giving it more importance... We should remember Forrest saying - Don't ignore the nouns in my poem-- mysteriouswritings.com/dont-ignore-the-nouns-in-forrest-fenns-poem/Maybe this was a hint to look for these 'hidden nouns'... There could be others as well..... |
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Post by vibeup on May 21, 2020 8:14:27 GMT -5
Stanza 3 switches tenses from the commands issued to us in stanza 2 to a description of what is encountered beyond the home of Brown. I think these lines pair with the last two lines of the poem. Only the brave will go through "no place for the meek" to the chest. Forrest is daring us to cross the barrier preventing us from stumbling upon the chest. IMO.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 8:17:48 GMT -5
Being that the poem is a contiguous map, I can't see meek as being Joe Meek. You've the words "Put in" so this has to be where your hike begins. "From there" is from the "Put in" and then the remaining line could be either "from the "put in" is no place for the meek, or the hike is no place for the meek. I think it's both. And since Forrest has used "No Place For Biddies" in his book and that title has three in sync poem words, meek has to mean chicken, spiritless. So either "From there/Put in" has to have spirits and it's no place for the timid hearted, or the hike is for the athletic type to which many would chicken out. Again, I feel it is both. Vibe ups brave fits this scenario very well.
This would also explain why there is chickens in every book.
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Post by stonerolledaway on May 21, 2020 15:35:49 GMT -5
I agree with no place for the meek as no place for chickens, no place for the timid, maybe a place off-trail or off the beaten path. I like Vibeup's thought that only the brave will cross the barrier and go through no place for the meek to the chest. But I also read it differently - "from there, it's no place for the meek" could be taken as "away from there, it's no place for the meek". If away from there is no place for the meek, then maybe THERE is a place for the meek, in which case meek meaning closer to reverent or peaceful rather than scared or timid.
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Post by heidini on May 23, 2020 10:25:22 GMT -5
I agree with no place for the meek as no place for chickens, no place for the timid, maybe a place off-trail or off the beaten path. I like Vibeup's thought that only the brave will cross the barrier and go through no place for the meek to the chest. But I also read it differently - "from there, it's no place for the meek" could be taken as "away from there, it's no place for the meek". If away from there is no place for the meek, then maybe THERE is a place for the meek, in which case meek meaning closer to reverent or peaceful rather than scared or timid. hi, stonerolled away! I am leaning toward the second part of your analysis. |
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Post by seannm on May 24, 2020 10:30:24 GMT -5
Jenny,
Meek is an adjective used to describe one who is quiet, gentle, and easily imposed on; submissive. But when the definite article “the” is placed before it it then changes it from an adjective to a noun that describes an entire group of individuals, that being those that are meek. But this description of said group of individuals comes from the perspective of the author: Forrest Fenn, who himself is subjective.
Seannm
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Post by heidini on May 24, 2020 13:46:33 GMT -5
Jenny, Meek is an adjective used to describe one who is quiet, gentle, and easily imposed on; submissive. But when the definite article “the” is placed before it it then changes it from an adjective to a noun that describes an entire group of individuals, that being those that are meek. But this description of said group of individuals comes from the perspective of the author: Forrest Fenn, who himself is subjective. Seannm “Just take the chest and go in peace.” You described meek with the words quiet, gentle… I suppose that’s how you get to peace!? |
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Post by seannm on May 24, 2020 14:27:49 GMT -5
Jenny, Meek is an adjective used to describe one who is quiet, gentle, and easily imposed on; submissive. But when the definite article “the” is placed before it it then changes it from an adjective to a noun that describes an entire group of individuals, that being those that are meek. But this description of said group of individuals comes from the perspective of the author: Forrest Fenn, who himself is subjective. Seannm “Just take the chest and go in peace.” You described meek with the words quiet, gentle… I suppose that’s how you get to peace!? “Peace be with you” is a phrase used by some church goers to wish well as they depart. So if we are in Forrest’s “church” and have found his treasure and are departing with it we are going in peace. Seannm |
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Post by heidini on May 24, 2020 14:44:26 GMT -5
“Just take the chest and go in peace.” You described meek with the words quiet, gentle… I suppose that’s how you get to peace!? “Peace be with you” is a phrase used by some church goers to wish well as they depart. So if we are in Forrest’s “church” and have found his treasure and are departing with it we are going in peace. Seannm It’s too bad the poem keeps going. |
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Post by seannm on May 24, 2020 16:46:13 GMT -5
“Peace be with you” is a phrase used by some church goers to wish well as they depart. So if we are in Forrest’s “church” and have found his treasure and are departing with it we are going in peace. Seannm It’s too bad the poem keeps going. Agreed. And some think the treasure is a short distance, like 500 feet from where Forrest parked his car, but that doesn’t sound like being brave and in the wood to me. And what about the effort that is worth the cold? ”You can’t ignore any nouns in that poem” f “You just can’t get out of your car and walk over in the woods and walk to it” f m.youtube.com/watch?v=ipvIGaVt7C8Seannm |
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Post by miracleman on May 25, 2020 4:41:06 GMT -5
Hi Seannm,
I think that last quote is misleading without the 2 sentences that come before (at least as far as I can see from a quick google search):
“If a person will think they can find the chest. But the secret is to think and analyze they can find the chest. You just can't get out of your car and walk over in the woods and walk to it.”
My interpretation is you can in fact get out of your car and walk over in the woods to the chest IF you have thought and analyzed and solved the poem beforehand. Without those two previous sentences it sounds like you can’t just walk straight to it.
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Post by seannm on May 25, 2020 8:47:26 GMT -5
Hi Seannm, I think that last quote is misleading without the 2 sentences that come before (at least as far as I can see from a quick google search): “If a person will think they can find the chest. But the secret is to think and analyze they can find the chest. You just can't get out of your car and walk over in the woods and walk to it.” My interpretation is you can in fact get out of your car and walk over in the woods to the chest IF you have thought and analyzed and solved the poem beforehand. Without those two previous sentences it sounds like you can’t just walk straight to it. Of course you have to, at some point, get out of your car and walk out into the woods to recover the chest. And that was, in part, part of my point. Many are not “thinking and analyzing” about the entirety or “bigger picture” that is the poem simply because they interpret the clues only exist between begin and cease. And they are then not considering what may be additional clues that get them from the starting point to the treasure. But because they don’t consider things like “brave and in the wood” or “your effort will be worth the cold” as potential clues, that get them closer to the treasure they then believe that they can simply get out of their car and walk 500 feet away and recover the treasure. So to understand what I was referring to you needed the context of Heidini and I’s conversation. Seannm |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 9:38:50 GMT -5
Meek also has a definition of biddable, or bid. This is one reason I think "No place for biddies" makes a good debate as an adjective.
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Post by Jenny on May 26, 2020 12:08:59 GMT -5
So most feel Meek is NOT a reference to a specific person, (like Joe Meek), but is an adjective..... to clue us in to what type of location the chest is hidden in.....
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Post by zaphod73491 on May 26, 2020 15:45:35 GMT -5
So most feel Meek is NOT a reference to a specific person, (like Joe Meek), but is an adjective..... to clue us in to what type of location the chest is hidden in..... Hi Jenny: grammatically it is still being used as a noun in the poem: "the meek" as opposed to (for example) "a meek person." |
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