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Post by goldilocks on Jun 7, 2020 17:50:08 GMT -5
NM, hidden in plain sight and and somewhere with a strong Eric Sloane connection.
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Post by Timberwolf on Jun 7, 2020 18:54:48 GMT -5
NM, near the border of VC.
Fenn ruled out Jellostone.
So far all the solves posted here have stuff used as clues by the searcher, that Fenn had ruled out. Not in jellystone, no anagrams, no cyphers, no special knowledge other than geography, no language translations, place names (books) won't help, poem is straight forward... do not rearrange words or clues.
He put a treasure map in TTOTC, hidden in plane sight!
My solve is huge with evidence and fits the poem up to the last clue. So it will take time for me to condense it and post. It fit everything perfectly and used only TTOTC... until Fenn said more than 8.25 miles north of the "northernmost border of Santa Fe."
What's in quotes above killed it for me. I was wrong in my areas because of that statement! :^( --TW
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Post by dada1 on Jun 7, 2020 19:16:11 GMT -5
HOB- WY mascot Cowboy colors brown/gold.
WWWH- Firehole/Madison
(Madison)- river inside park is known to resemble a large spring creek. It is also been called the worlds largest 'chalk' stream. Just the kind of place Madison could take you to school. Madisons coffee cup (Firehole) all but covered her whole face when she took a sip. Her thick braided river with streams high in sediment (loads), moved back and forth like they had purpose. The two old borderline biddies (Two Ribbons Trail) were too preoccupied with their own breathtaking scenery, in the cable car run, to realize Forest was ready to get on with his lesson further in the Barns Hole (Bessie). 4 legs (stool) at the end of the road and the islands resemble Bessies tail. Each one of those islands (cat mouths) deserved a squirt from a dry fly. If i ever could have made it, then thats where I would have landed.
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Post by nica on Jun 7, 2020 21:12:59 GMT -5
The first stanza- taking the words after ‘AND/ WITH ‘ anagrams to “HE’LL USE RAINBOWS ORDER TO FIND MY CHEST”
WWWH- RED River NM Between BEGIN and TOO FAR - BIT OF ORANGE HoB - Eagle Nest Lake (the out in is TOLBY Day use area)
Npftm- Yellow. You have the letters for the color yellow in that stanza. Pull them out and anagram the rest. ALSO anagram words/phrases before and after the word AND. Anagram- BOATER TURN HERE LAST RD E. (This is TOLBY day use area)
The blaze was Summit rd on GREEN Mtn. This is also your “green” stanza. This one was difficult because it uses about 42 letters to be anagrammed. The anagram reads “ USE TOLBY CAMP FIND AN ACCESS TO RIVER AT HUT TWO”
***there are 3 unused letters in this stanza that I will address at the end. CHS
Stanza 5 does not have a color but you still anagram before and after the word “and”. The anagram reads : LEAVE GO DOWN TO RIVER. ( there are 4 letters left over in this anagram also MYTE)
Stanza 6. This stanza contains BLUE, INDIGO AND VIOLET. Pull out the letters and it reads :FOR FORTY WILE FOLOWD YOU GET IT
..and the anagrams for the words before and after ‘AND’ read AT THE OLE LOG. RAINBOW SOLVED.
The left over letters anagram to MY CHEST bringing you back to the first stanza.
Brilliant.
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Post by thetruthisoutthere on Jun 7, 2020 22:15:59 GMT -5
This is longer than I wanted it to be, but it's hard to explain my methods in fewer words. I view the poem as a puzzle and have tried to explain the process for each line. Also while I can group the information into nine clues, I find it more useful to look at the poem as 24 lines with each line containing at least one piece of important information. So I'm presenting this line by line
AS I HAVE GONE ALONE IN THERE = Valles Caldera Take the first three words and reverse their order. Phonetically you get Ha Valles. Then by taking the first sounds from the remaining words (with the exception of in) you get gol there, which combined with either the ha left over from the beginning, or the A that starts the next line is very close to Caldera. This sets the general outline of the solution as being a process of using and manipulating the words and especially the sounds of the poem to create the clues.
AND WITH MY TREASURES BOLD, I CAN KEEP MY SECRET WHERE, AND HINT OF RICHES NEW AND OLD. The remainder of the first stanza is just further details that confirm Valles Caldera as the starting place. Treasures bold can be converted to trees & boulders by shifting the "ures". Beside the entrance road of VCNP is a small hill that is covered by trees and boulders. My secret "weir", refers to the great trout fishing right there. Back when it was a private ranch Forrest might have had permission (or not) to come in and fish in the river there. Last is "ridges" new and old, which is a reference to the caldera rim being mainly the newer Valles Caldera rim, but with sections left over from the older Toledo Caldera rim.
BEGIN IT WHERE WARM WATERS HALT AND TAKE IT IN THE CANYON DOWN, NOT FAR, BUT TOO FAR TO WALK. Some of the lines have an instruction at the beginning of the line for what to do with the rest of the line. So any line that starts with a direction such as "begin it" should be explored as possibly structured this way. In this case begin it where can be read either phonetically as begin it w'air, or with an alphabetic manipulation where the it is placed between the w and h of where for withere to arrive at "with air" as in the phonetic manipulation. To begin "with air" means to start words with the sound of aspiration, the letter h. Here this gives you harm haters halt. An animal crossing caution sign on highway 4. There are these signs in both directions, east and west, so by itself it doesn't tell us which direction to go. The next line in the poem is the one line that I haven't nailed down. While take it in the canyon down probably refers to a falling rocks caution sign, I haven't been able to manipulate the words or sounds to give me a satisfactory solution. The next line does give us a very specific clue with "not far but to four two". Milepost 42 is to the west, past three animal crossing signs and one falling rocks caution sign. Then there are two pedestrian crossing signs (image of someone walking) for the "walk" at the end of the line.
PUT IN BELOW THE HOME OF BROWN. Put in b, another instruction. Switch the capitalization of home and Brown and put a b in there to get H-b-ome. He carried one under the wing of his F-100. Also the beginning of the line can be seen as Pu tin bellow. Pu being plutonium, tin is used in the refining of plutonium and bellow as a yell or load noise. If you hang out near Los Alamos you'll hear explosives testing and disposal on most week days. So the "bellow" is a very real thing, but not something you see on maps or Google Earth.
FROM THERE IT'S NO PLACE FOR THE MEEK, From there = from the air, Los Alamos Municipal airport (call sign LAM) = place for the meek. It's also a difficult airport to land at since its at the edge of a mesa and you can only approach it from the east.
THE END IS EVER DRAWING NIGH; Take the instruction for the first part -the end is ev- and applying to the latter part. To give drawing knife. If you look on a map where 502 intersects with Pueblo Canyon Rd it looks like the drawing of a knife.
THERE'LL BE NO PADDLE UP YOUR CREEK, No battle up your creek. At the intersection of 502, Pueblo Canyon Rd and highway 4, if you go right instead of left you will be going up Alamo creek. So no battle indicates that it's not that direction. My solutions for the previous line and this one are weak in my opinion, so there might be better solutions on this stretch of the road.
JUST HEAVY LOADS AND WATER HIGH. Another flutterby type line, loavy heads and hot wire. There are three tent rocks just past the sewage treatment plant which have cap rocks that look like heads that have extended parts in the back which make them look like loaves. Directly above them is a power line.
IF YOU'VE BEEN WISE AND FOUND THE BLAZE, There's a tent rock that I call the monk for the wise part, but I'm still trying to get a better solution for the last part of this line. Provisionally I use a group of pointy tent rocks that look a bit like flames.
LOOK QUICKLY DOWN, YOUR QUEST TO CEASE, I'm getting west to eas(t) for the latter part. There's another head shaped cap rock that is looking down and to the east.
BUT TARRY SCANT WITH MARVEL GAZE, Using a mainly phonetic anagram with a flipping of two letters I get scary tent with gravel maze. You could also make it out to be scarry tent, as in rocky tent. Either way it describes tent rocks very well. The next thing you see, as you go up the road, is a small group of four or five rocks with gravel filling in the gaps between them.
JUST TAKE THE CHEST AND GO IN PEACE. The largest of the tent rocks is at the end of this grouping. It has a bulging conical shape and has a large slit on the SW side. Viewed from that side it looks like a bishop in a chess game. Getting the sounds of chess piece from this line is fairly straightforward.
I was confident in my solve up to this point. I have some ideas of what the rest of the poem means. But with so many wonderful weird shapes to feed your imagination I was finding things that matched at least a few of the remaining lines in almost every direction. I've explored this area quite a bit and had a few more places to look.
Congratulations to the finder, this was the best I could do and it wasn't enough.
Also to the finder, protect yourself, protect the legacy, and protect the hiding spot if it's too fragile.
JW
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Post by davebakedpotato on Jun 8, 2020 1:54:40 GMT -5
Actually, I can put a small marker down: Want to see something cool?: The third stanza resolves to a gondola lift ride (as a confirmer only). Check it out.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 2:54:19 GMT -5
My solve: Sphinx Creek, by the Corwin Springs zip code border (postal stamps, anyone?) WWWH is clearly Mammoth Hot Springs. Why? (BTW, note that water is plural) 1. That is the place in the world that is best known for waters that are (a) warm (not hot nor cold) in temperature and after they came up from the ground will completely stop in velocity in the many terraces. One is named Minerva Terrace, by the way (goddess of wisdom, so if you have been here at one point, you will have been WISE) 2. The famous explorers of Yellowstone documented Mammoth Hot Springs appearing as a waterfall that appeared to have frozen in time and had halted. 3. The water activity in Mammoth Hot Springs frequently stops (halts) completely, then starts again in a few years or so. 4. The mineral halt of these waters is very high. Take it in the canyon down, not far but too far to walk Easy, just follow the water from Mammoth Hot Springs, where does it go eventually? Down the canyon, past Boiling River, past Gardiner. Follow this canyon for 10.5 river miles (Fenn gave this one away in the forewords of his book named "Too far to walk") Put in below the home of Brown 1. Devils Slide consists of manganese/iron oxide, even if they didnt know that when they named the mountain "Cinnabar Mountain" (it is NOT cinnabar). This is what brown is to a painter. Both early day painters and todays painters. Devils Slide is therefore a very HOME of that color! 2. There is also a boat PUT-IN nearby, Yankee Jim River Access. 3. There is another home of Brown nearby, Joe Browns old cabin. Many searchers think it is up Joe Brown Creek but it actually isnt, it is up Slip and slide creek. Opposite of the river. 4. Electric is right below Devils Slide. Brown was the name of the manager of this mining camp. I know Fenn said knowledge of history wont help so I believe this clue is actually not intended, but it is always fun to have a solve which is even better than the official. 5. Laduke Hot Springs is also here, right by the river. You can not see it from the road or hardly from anywhere else, but its brown color is really vibrant. This spring is radioactive (so it could "halt" cancer, just saying, I dont think that is an intended clue), contains uranium (that could make nuclear bombs) and has recently been blocked off (halted?) by the government. All of these point to the same general location. So we have mega confirmation. From there is no place for the Meek Finding a good Meek was the biggest challenge for me. It is either the wilderness border up by Slip and Slide creek, or the whitewater that begins at Yankee Jim Canyon (thats why we need to put in before then). The end is ever drawing nigh This is the end of the zip code area for Corwin Springs (and Gardiner maybe, dont remember). This border is drawn on "a good map". The poem gives no clue to what border it is, so I just searched ALL borders in the area. There will be no paddle up your creek The poem is telling us to go up a creek next, but we cant paddle up a creek because it is too small. Pretty straightforward. Just heavy loads and waters high The poem is telling us to pick the creek which has waters high, i.e. a creek which has a lake at high elevation. This fits with Sphinx Creek (but also Slip and Slide creek). The heavy loads is the treasure chest which is heavy to carry. (I refrained from including Electric Mountain as a "heavy loads" even though it would explain the two omega signs (which mean ohm, for electricity)) From here we need to go "boots on the ground". Follow Sphinx Creek, it is muddy and there is no trail so you will likely get wet, and therefore cold, which explains "will be worth the cold". Look for a blaze of permanent nature, it will probably be a quartz deposit in a mountain wall which stands out, maybe with trees in front of it. There will be a scant covered with tar. Lift the scant and you will find the treasure underneath. The chest may be encapsulated by a wood log which was hollowed out by Forrest.
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Post by miracleman on Jun 8, 2020 6:41:47 GMT -5
I’m a little surprised no one has mentioned my area yet on this thread - but just for the record I’m pretty sure the hidey spot was located somewhere in Gallatin, Montana not too far, but too far to walk from the Yellowstone boundary Many, many reasons for this, keyword, WWWH and a bazillion confirming hints in both book and SBs. Plus, Forrest comes out and actually tells you the exact kind of map you’ll need for your solve. Sadly I was only a year into the chase and only solved the first few clues so never got a chance to go BOTG but was planning on going later this summer.
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Post by ironwill on Jun 8, 2020 8:08:08 GMT -5
Ironwill, likewise. I started reading yours today and took a deep intake of breath haha. There's so much in West Yellowstone that corroborates with so many things Forrest has said that I'd never leave that spot. I tried Leadville, above Hebgen with Sunlight Basin and others but my heart is in W.Yella as a starting point once I learnt about the railway. If it has been found because of the renovation of the railway line into a hiking & biking route, I'd be lying if I said I didn't expect it. They announced the plan a couple of years ago and I've been waiting for some announcement soon. About the 707 ( 704 N Electric St on Cadastral)... I was sure the treasure was in the front yard (LOTS of Hidey Places) or the back yard in the Fire Pit (Blaze). I metal detected that fire pit so Im pretty sure it wasn't there. Metal detected the entire front yard and got nothing so it would seem that it wasn't there. Guess we'll find out the truth soon enough where it really was....
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Post by miracleman on Jun 8, 2020 8:55:08 GMT -5
Hey Firesnake, I like this solve very much but a difference in starting points lead us to very different areas. My thoughts put me somewhere to the east of your spot, again I hadn’t gotten that far but felt there are so many hints pointing to things in the area. I do like how you’ve lined things up, very compelling solve.
Can’t wait to hear the final solve from Forrest this week!
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Post by theoretical on Jun 8, 2020 11:57:56 GMT -5
So many good solves have been posted. We may never know the close ones or the correct one or perhaps it will be among the posts. Since the chase is over I see no need to post my full solve but this was my general search area on the Southfork outside Cody, Wy.
There is an interesting map of ice climbs (Southfork Water Ice) that can be purchased at Sunlight Sports in Cody. It’s a good map that provides a big picture. Talk about imagination as the frozen falls (waters halt?) are all named. The first to get my attention was Moratorium. I always wondered why ff used halt instead of balk. Must be some reason. Other named climbs are View to a Thrill, Too Cold to Fire, Spotted Owl Sandwich, One Hitter (Whitey Ford), and then the string of Schoolhouse climbs (oh yea, there is a one-room schoolhouse that sits on Schoolhouse Creek roughly 50 miles outside Cody). Some of these climbs are named Who Needs Principals, The Substitute, Side Show Addiction (Gypsies anyone), Schoolhouse (teachers with ice climb ropes?), Dunces Corner, Classroom Bully. And in the midst of those is Last Climb Before The War. There are others but pretty amazing coincidence to chapters in TTOTC don’t you think? Almost seems like ff had a hand in naming them.
You also have Hunter Creek Road and Hunter Creek (your creek?), Sheepeater Creek (no place for the meek?), a legit home of Brown (Brown Thomas Ranch) - George Brown was on the Buffalo Bill Museum Board with ff, lots of ranch animals, deer, and bighorn sheep. You can look down on Hawkeye Ranch (Marvel gaze?). Slide Mountain is there as well. The Shoshone River with excellent fly fishing runs through all of this on both private and public land in the Shoshone National Forest, with Washakie (pronounced Wah-Shu-Key) Wilderness above. Boulder Creek (heavy loads, treasure bold? ) runs down into the river.
There is much more that fits into a complete solve but I thought I would share this interesting area where I was looking for the last two years. Don’t really care to post what was my solve.
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Post by kp on Jun 8, 2020 12:08:33 GMT -5
IMO...The poems missing title is “The Madison” and I have always felt that each clue was a Madison (it) reference: Madison Junction Madison Canyon Hebgen Lake = hoB trout No Place For Meek = walk from put in to Madison (danger signs about the dam) Madison Tailwater = up your creek Hebgen dam = heavy loads and water high ...the blaze will guide you to the hidey spot just before the old spillway...under a large pine (just like the mountain lion story). But all I found there on that 15 ft ledge was a bunch of rocks. Probably from the 1959 earthquake.
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Post by passenger on Jun 8, 2020 13:02:31 GMT -5
Ironwill, likewise. I started reading yours today and took a deep intake of breath haha. There's so much in West Yellowstone that corroborates with so many things Forrest has said that I'd never leave that spot. I tried Leadville, above Hebgen with Sunlight Basin and others but my heart is in W.Yella as a starting point once I learnt about the railway. If it has been found because of the renovation of the railway line into a hiking & biking route, I'd be lying if I said I didn't expect it. They announced the plan a couple of years ago and I've been waiting for some announcement soon. About the 707 ( 704 N Electric St on Cadastral)... I was sure the treasure was in the front yard (LOTS of Hidey Places) or the back yard in the Fire Pit (Blaze). Guess we'll find out the truth soon enough....
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Post by passenger on Jun 8, 2020 13:04:51 GMT -5
IRON WILL -- This one is for you, as you are one of the originals. You were correct about drinking beer.... "AL". It's all about beer folks. BAD BEER.
-passenger
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Post by luttleboy on Jun 8, 2020 13:17:50 GMT -5
Forrest Fenn Treasure Poem and Map – a one-page solution found on July 8, 2019 by Luttleboy@gmail.com THE blaze FOUND BY THIS SOLUTION CAN BE SEEN WITH GOOGLE MAPS!! SEE GPS COORDINATES BELOW!
“The poem is…an architectural plan. f”…”The poem is a map to the treasure. f” “The treasure is out there waiting for the person who can make all the lines cross in the right spot. f” “…look at the poem as if it were a map, because it is, and like any other map, it will show you where to go if you follow its directions. f”
There are 3 lines that can be drawn (drawing nigh) on a good map, between 3 points listed in the poem: Waters Canyon, CO, hidden by dividing the words on two poem lines Marvel, CO, hidden by using marvel as a verb in the poem and Casa Marron in Santa Fe, NM (home of Brown in Spanish), hidden by using English term for Spanish name. There is a 4th implied point “blaze” or Angel Fire, NM which is on the same line with Marvel, CO.
Waters Canyon, CO: the vanishing point that is at the south (down) end of the canyon, similar to what artists use on paintings. The left diagonal vanishing point lines then read: “I hint where it in the Too Far to Walk.”
(Draw two magnetic lines at 9 and 8 degrees for New Mexico, as pilot Forrest showed in his book.) (Reading downward diagonally with lines: "there bold, where,--and Waters Canyon", [CO is only state in search area with this].
Begin (place) the top right corner of the poem-as-map on the boundary line of CO and NM, about GPS 37.00N, -107.11E Cut out poem on the red outline as shown, then use as a map (slide rule pointer) to the treasure. It should be about 3” wide x 6.25” long.
“it” refers to a printed cut-out of the poem-as-map that is placed on the “warm waters” boundary CO/NM, approx. N37.0, E-107.10865 at the Navajo Rio, and a line drawn from Waters Canyon “down” Rio Grande canyon to below the home of Brown-- Casa Marron, the 2010 location of a designer/manufacturer in North Santa Fe, NM.
“Not far” (on a map about 10”) “but too far to walk” (on land about 170 miles). “No place for the meek” is a steep, crooked, muddy, dirt road. “End drawing nigh” means make a drawing to find the end of the search. “No paddle” means a nearby creek (Vallecitos Rio) is too small for boats. Heavy loads are RVs and farm trucks on a mountain road. Water high is the stream at elev. 8800 feet. (Blaze is a word that is key and refers to 3 locations: the town center of Angel Fire, then the word “blaze” printed out in the poem, and a mark at the treasure chest physical location. When the printed cut-out is put in place wisely, “blaze” should fall on the line (from Waters Canyon to a spot near the center of Angel Fire), and marks the blaze where the chest is located. THE BLAZE IS PAINTED ON THE TOP OF A LARGE ROCK, LOOKS LIKE "nn" with long handles pointing northwest.
Use Google Maps to get the GPS coordinates 36.6355, -106.2105 (N36d 38’32.136”, W-106d 12'37.69”). Now zoom in to see the blaze!!
“Starry cant, with Marvel,gaze” would mean to gaze on a line from the town of Marvel, CO while looking upward toward Waters Canyon near Mesa Verde. Then draw a line from Waters Canyon back through Marvel and up to Angel Fire, creating a 2nd line, on which the word “blaze” in the poem, will fall. As this line runs through the center of Marvel, gaze with marvel at this confirmation of your solution! Also a line from Angel Fire to Casa Marron should form a right triangle like the shadow on front of Too Far to Walk, a confirmation that this is the right solution. "Well" would be the more correct adverb, instead of "good". The cold could refer to Agua Fria (below Casa Marron), or Cold Water in English. Also the cold mountain stream near the chest. If well, then dell or dale now must be the rhyming word, a small wooded valley or canyon, which is the location of the chest. o <---(Casa Marron) “Put in” (place) this lower left corner of the poem-as-map below the 2010 location of home of Brown (Casa Marron, furniture designer and manufacturer in 2010). The actual structure of home of Brown may disappear, but the location will live on in old maps for at least 100 years. Several lines serve as padding to make the poem print-out vertically longer. The critical line length (“blaze”) does the same for the horizontal direction. The original poem appears to be 3” wide by 6.25” long. The poem should be adjusted (zoomed proportionally) so that the upper right corner fits against the CO/NM border on your specific map, while the lower left corner fits on a point just south of Casa Marron. If your printer does not have a zoom function, then you can use Google Maps and the Measure function to create lines on a screen map (that can be enlarged or reduced as needed) on which you can tape your printout of the poem. I think the poem printer font size should be as identical to the TFTW book as possible, maybe Monotype Corsiva size 15 bold italic font (“in there bold” as it says in the poem), and Google Maps should be set to about 175%, then made smaller with scroll wheel mouse. But the font can be 8, 10, 12, or 15 (“read the poem 6, 8, 10, or 12 times”), depending on size of your “good map”.
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