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Post by searcher1991 on Jun 24, 2020 10:56:57 GMT -5
I’m going BOTG this weekend and although I have a general area and some guesses about where to search, I haven’t been able to really pinpoint any clues in the story that would lead to an exact location.
I’ve done a bunch of research through old newspaper articles and blogs, and I’ve learned a lot, but I can’t get anything else from the story. It seems like their might be some hidden clues in the text, but I haven’t been able to get anything substantial. Not sure if I’m looking for something that isn’t there or if the story holds more clues than meets the eye. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
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Post by cvsnipe05 on Jun 24, 2020 12:12:14 GMT -5
I was actually going to pull this one up and look at this weekend, but I'm willing to take a look tonight; this cache is a little bit out of the way so I don't mind helping. This one did seem a bit more vague than the others when I did a quick read through.
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Post by searcher1991 on Jun 24, 2020 12:29:36 GMT -5
I was actually going to pull this one up and look at this weekend, but I'm willing to take a look tonight; this cache is a little bit out of the way so I don't mind helping. This one did seem a bit more vague than the others when I did a quick read through. Thank you! Any help is appreciated. It’s very vague in terms of direct clues which has my wondering if there’s something completely hidden that I’m missing. Let me know your thoughts if you have any. I’ll also update after my BOTG.
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Post by engr101 on Jun 25, 2020 8:45:35 GMT -5
I have made multi-trips to Waterbury in search of the cache and have come home empty (so what do I know)? It’s a nice area to visit particularly if you like ice cream. Goldhunter and I have come up with a few thoughts that seemed to point to a few locations but your interpretations of the clues may vary. The original story (http://vermontdeadline.blogspot.com/2013/11/waterbury-tragedy-still-unsolved.html) was used as the bases for the hunt. The first thing we did was to compare the two versions and highlight the parts where HCB has “embellished” or changed as areas of concern. That includes the poem (A Soldier’s Winter). We did not put too much faith in the pictures as hints, especially fig. #1 “Vintage-Snow” and its caption. We found several other specific clues and confirmers too, but for now watch out for “cardinal sin”, it cost me several fruitless trips. It anagrams to “island cairn”. Access to the small islands in the Winooski in summer is only ankle deep but, according to HCB, the hunt’s rating means there is no wading necessary which, of course, I ignored. (Now I know personally every island between Waterbury and the Mad River (and interesting name for a river don't you think?). As a hint, a good road map and the poem might give you a hint where to start looking.
Good luck in you hunt.
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Post by jcas628 on Jun 27, 2020 6:45:03 GMT -5
Do You think the spot we’re looking for is where the lovers met or do you think it’s where she buried her stash?
What about it being located near the river do you think it means it’s directly on the river or do you think it’s just in the area?
Questions I’ve been trying to figure out anyone have any input?
Care to share ideas?
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Post by jcas628 on Jun 29, 2020 18:39:43 GMT -5
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Post by searcher1991 on Jun 30, 2020 21:42:43 GMT -5
Do You think the spot we’re looking for is where the lovers met or do you think it’s where she buried her stash? What about it being located near the river do you think it means it’s directly on the river or do you think it’s just in the area? Questions I’ve been trying to figure out anyone have any input? Care to share ideas? That's a good question. I think it's probably close to their secret meeting place, but it might also be completely irrelevant since that part of the story is what he added in anyway. I've gone through it multiple times looking for place name connections, hidden ciphers, and other connections, but haven't found much. I have some really good areas I want to check out, but they're not really hinted at by the story. I wish I knew whether this story was supposed to help us find the general search area or if it only helps us once we are there.
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Post by jcas628 on Jul 3, 2020 18:01:46 GMT -5
Maybe we just need to go and check some things out. I can’t imagine what I will be looking for when I’m in the area I suspect though. Maybe there’s something there that will just enlighten me! 🤞
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Post by honeybee on Jul 13, 2020 15:13:08 GMT -5
Hi all! Just starting to work on the Treasureman caches and this one peaked my interest. Would love to hear what your BOTG trip leads to.
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Post by mikecharbonnier on Oct 20, 2021 20:14:29 GMT -5
Hi all! So I don’t know if anyone even still checks the posts on this one, but I figured I’d throw a few things out there. First off, in the script at the end that HCB added, the word “Speculation” is incorrectly capitalized. Unless of course, Speculation is some type of secret proper noun. I haven’t done too much research, other than to note there are no current streets named Speculation. The only other time the word speculation is in the story was when discussing the refrigerator repair man. Not sure if that’s of any help to anyone. Also, the picture of the river that’s used is very narrow. Just a hunch, but I would imagine we should be looking at a spot on the river that really narrows down. Or maybe a small off-shoot that is only about 10-15 feet wide. Or, Graves Brook could be a possible spot. Aptly named. Just seems fitting. Not sure if anyone will even read this any times soon but I’d love a little feedback! I’m heading up in November.
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Post by astree on Oct 21, 2021 4:53:01 GMT -5
Mike,
“Speculation” letters rearrange to “in a clue spot”, and some others with “clue”. Also, might be helped by the “Speculation swirled”. Water swirls. Speculation has Letters for “coastline, capitol, canoe, caption, Stone, capstone, notice, up close, inspect, couples, outline, count, place, close, stolen, point...” Don't know if that helps.
“Until a cospe”? See picture p. 1. Are there letters in the tree branches? Looks like a faint structure to right of her face. Waterbury Inn, Bury in n water? See p. 1 of pdf, but I wouldnt think its anywhere dangerous.
Good luck.
astree
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Post by mikecharbonnier on Oct 21, 2021 9:08:52 GMT -5
Thanks astree! I’ll keep you posted!!!
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Post by engr101 on Oct 21, 2021 18:07:04 GMT -5
Mike, Have you visited the TreasureMan's forum? (http://treasuremanforum.com)
The Winooski River has a bad habit of flooding sometimes.(https://www.timesargus.com/waterbury-park-hit-by-flooding/article_d7ad98bf-0874-5cd8-82cf-96615e016a88.html). HCB stated that he thought the cache wouldn't be washed away so maybe not located near the river.
The image on page one is a stock picture and not related to the Winooski River. (https://mattw.art/experiments/wreckage/)
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Post by astree on Oct 22, 2021 7:22:34 GMT -5
Mike, Have you visited the TreasureMan's forum? (http://treasuremanforum.com) The Winooski River has a bad habit of flooding sometimes.(https://www.timesargus.com/waterbury-park-hit-by-flooding/article_d7ad98bf-0874-5cd8-82cf-96615e016a88.html). HCB stated that he thought the cache wouldn't be washed away so maybe not located near the river. The image on page one is a stock picture and not related to the Winooski River. (https://mattw.art/experiments/wreckage/) Those are great finds. The image does appear to have a lot of straight edges, faded, esp. to the right, like a structure. Mike, next to Main St and Parker Row is the Parker Memorial Park; there is a rotarian way there (maybe a loose tie to speculation swirled). “Speculation” anagrams to “set in cupola”
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Post by goldhunter on Oct 22, 2021 9:47:24 GMT -5
astree, I like your "rotarian way" idea.
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