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Post by indulgenceseeker on Jul 25, 2020 10:33:46 GMT -5
The far north range for Pinyon pine extends into southern WY in the Medicine Bow and Sierra Madre Ranges. And that’s my point: if you accept that the pic was taken soon after discovery in an area not too far from the location, then your only areas of search should be in southern WY. Not YNP or Bighorns or Winds.
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Post by crm114 on Jul 25, 2020 10:41:53 GMT -5
The far north range for Pinyon pine extends into southern WY in the Medicine Bow and Sierra Madre Ranges. And that’s my point: if you accept that the pic was taken soon after discovery in an area not too far from the location, then your only areas of search should be in southern WY. Not YNP or Bighorns or Winds. I agree with your other points, including WWWH, but I don't accept that the pine cone is pinyon, not that I am an expert. There is a place on Highway 287 in Colorado that claims a lone stand of Pinyon is the northernmost Pinyon. I think it's BLM signage, but I'm not sure. I accept it could be wrong, but somebody official went to the trouble of making and erecting said sign. If you have another source, I'd be interested. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 11:12:54 GMT -5
You missed the biggest thing... Trying to examine the photo to determine where it was taken is a waste of time and total speculation as it could be a million different places in Wyoming.
The fact is the chest was in Wyoming, thats all that matters. That photo can fit into many more places than the person above indicated, it is not limited to south Wyoming, where do people get this stuff?
The OP claimed the cones on the pic are pinyon. Others have said lodge pole. Pinyon ranges to northern Colorado at least. I'm not aware that it ranges into Southern WY.
They aren't pinyon... Seems like people who were looking in the wrong state are now grasping at straws.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 11:13:40 GMT -5
The far north range for Pinyon pine extends into southern WY in the Medicine Bow and Sierra Madre Ranges. And that’s my point: if you accept that the pic was taken soon after discovery in an area not too far from the location, then your only areas of search should be in southern WY. Not YNP or Bighorns or Winds.
They aren't pinyon, there goes that theory.
Also, pinyon has nothing to do with the chase, Forrest has said this many times but people who failed to find the chest keep using it as a weak excuse.
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Post by crm114 on Jul 25, 2020 11:34:22 GMT -5
The OP claimed the cones on the pic are pinyon. Others have said lodge pole. Pinyon ranges to northern Colorado at least. I'm not aware that it ranges into Southern WY.
They aren't pinyon... Seems like people who were looking in the wrong state are now grasping at straws.
I tend to agree, biased by my own solve further north, but I am open to it because I still entertain the idea that your proxy item theory could be correct. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 15:42:56 GMT -5
They aren't pinyon... Seems like people who were looking in the wrong state are now grasping at straws.
I tend to agree, biased by my own solve further north, but I am open to it because I still entertain the idea that your proxy item theory could be correct.
Yeah it would be nice to find out someday, but something tells me we won't hear anything else. The downside is this means we will be bombarded with fakes claiming to be "the finder". I hope Forrest makes arrangements with his lawfirm so that we can verify claims through them and eliminate the fraud.
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Post by crm114 on Jul 25, 2020 17:39:21 GMT -5
Yeah it would be nice to find out someday, but something tells me we won't hear anything else. The downside is this means we will be bombarded with fakes claiming to be "the finder". I hope Forrest makes arrangements with his lawfirm so that we can verify claims through them and eliminate the fraud. [/div][/quote] I never thought the state would be released but it sounds like Forrest maybe twisted his arm. There are plenty of digital ways the finder could have Forrest authenticate a single message from the finder, then we could authenticate any future messages if they have that planned. PGP comes to mind. Yes, the law firm would work too. Interest seems to be dwindling though. |
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Post by badger on Jul 25, 2020 22:33:24 GMT -5
“we” are calling the shots now. Interesting. why don’t you just let the ‘finder’ speak for himself? If this is really how the f’finder’ wants to reveal the state, I’m not buying it. what a joke! This is just so ridiculous and I’m sorry that I ever got involved with this nonsense! The fotos are a joke. first f says it’s all up to the finder, and that he is being forced into silence. now this? “we” just aren’t buying it. the ‘finder’ needs to have the decency to place his own words together in a meaningful sentence. Sorry. [br Interestingly enough, this is not the first time and only the second time I have heard 'we' mentioned by forrest. Zap help me out here. At the end of an interview, road with Charlie I believe, forrest says something to the effect of, "it has been x years since WE began this..." to whom was forrest referring to back then. This WE bs could explain how...nah, purely speculation. I'm trying really hard to maintain a positive fact based attitude here. Forrest, care to tell us who the mouse in your pocket was that you were referring to in that statement? |
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Post by zaphod73491 on Jul 25, 2020 23:55:56 GMT -5
Hi Badger: I've only transcribed eight particular audio segments from "On the Road with Charlie - Part One," and in none of those does Forrest use the word "we." However, I think I might have found the instance you're referring to: "...A secondary motive was we're a sedentary society today. We're overweight. We're sitting on the couch watching TV or playing with our little electronic gadgets. I don't like what I'm seeing. I wanted to get the kids out into the mountains: hiking, fishing, swimming, hunting. All of those things. And I've done that. I think 100,000 people have been out looking for my treasure since we started. Did I answer? I forgot what the question was!"
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Post by pacman on Jul 27, 2020 15:56:08 GMT -5
The far north range for Pinyon pine extends into southern WY in the Medicine Bow and Sierra Madre Ranges. And that’s my point: if you accept that the pic was taken soon after discovery in an area not too far from the location, then your only areas of search should be in southern WY. Not YNP or Bighorns or Winds. I only ever searched Carbon county in the Sierra Madre range so I was never bothered about the Pinyon comment slip-up. |
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Post by indulgenceseeker on Jul 28, 2020 16:52:50 GMT -5
IMO, the search area is The Encampment River Canyon Wilderness Area in the Sierra Madres. It's a very fenny place.
BIWWWH - Start your quest at the Continental Divide
ATIITCD - Follow the Encampment River Trail down the Encampment River Canyon
NFBTFTW - a little short of 10 miles (total trail length is about 15 miles)
PIBTHOB - here's where imagination comes in, I believe. The HOB is an old dude ranch now called the Water Valley Ranch (WVR.) Brown is capitalized by FF to represent the last name (a pejorative term) for the East Coast cowboys who frequented those places. At this point in your quest, you've got to get off the trail and cross the Encampment River at its confluence with Soldier Creek which lies just below the WVR. (From the first clue, I think halt may have been the key word to focus on. It's military jargon. It's an out of place word for a civilian to use, but not for a military man: same for quest and cease. He used these words to convey a military mien and serve as a clue that you are correct if you've chosen Soldier Creek as your creek.)
FTINPFTM - you're off trail now and into the Wilderness Area following the creek
TEIEDN - you have to go up, around, and to the left three times, just shy of 3/4 mile, to get around the three hills and to the blaze's location. Use Google Earth and put yourself at the river's elevation and look up Soldier Creek. You'll see what he meant by having to be an Architect. He needed to describe the terrain you would encounter to know you were in the right place so you could walk with great purpose.
TBNPUYC - Soldier Creek is very shallow
JHLAWH - Hog Park Reservoir is on the Divide and serves as a feeder for Soldier Creek. The Encampment River Trail starts on the CDT at the southern end of Hog Park Reservoir.
IYBWAFTB - not sure what blaze is...need BOTG (another military term used for this hunt - did FF start the use of that phrase? Or did Dal?)
LQDYQTC - It was 15' below the blaze on the ground in the one small section of this creek that does not lie in the Wilderness Area - this section is under BLM in the Medicine Bow/Routt National Forest. (I wonder if FF had any influence with Alan Simpson and Richard Cheney when they drew up those boundaries back in the early 90's?? It seems a rather arbitrary decision to leave that section of the creek out of the Wilderness Area when all of the rest of it is inside. But if FF knew he wanted to be buried there, being in a Wilderness Area would be a problem...not so much in a national forest.)
BTSWMG - not sure of significance of this phrase... I have made the mistake of projecting my idea of a marvel gaze (high snowy mountains) in each of my other solves; but it's his rainbow, not mine. So, who's to say what counts as marvelous? Or, this phrase just means don't sit there and skylark at your riches for too long.
JTTCAGIP - A straight forward statement to carry on and not be an asshole?
The WVR is at the end of the road from Encampment, WY. It is plowed year round. The Encampment River Canyon Wilderness Area is the smallest and least visited Wilderness Area in the state. It's a hunter's and fisher's paradise. And indeed, a very fenny place.
BTW, the WVR is for sale. If I'm right, the proprietors should hold on to that property and market to us Fenn lovers. I'd go.
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