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Post by hobohowdy on Jun 25, 2021 12:44:03 GMT -5
1) So what is the basic objective? Determine and locate the accompanying text (the proper document. All documents need an author[find the author, find the document].
2) What? “It is a Beale like cipher.” “… source material can be found online for free..” “...everything you need to identify the correct source material is on this piece of CG paper…” “...on the paper…” = not in the music.
3) How to start? I don’t think NS intended on sending us on an Easter egg hunt or grasping at straws looking for some random document. There is a method to the “madness”.
4) Where to start then? To me the logical place is in what I call the “TITLE” line. A Piece (Opal)f the NEW W(orb)rld. Oddities here; “P” in Piece is a capital letter. Where one might expect to see the letter “O” we find (what I call) an Opal looking object, and an orb looking object. If the orb is in the place of a small letter “o” then it makes sense, to me, that the Opal is a large letter “O”. Reading the TITLE line now yields five (5) capital letters; APONW. Doesn’t make for much of an anagram. But as the pitch man says near the end of the commercial…”BUT WAIT!” I do see something that might be useful here. What if those letters, when arrange properly read “Own PA”? Who own(ed) Pennsylvania? Of course it was William Penn. He was granted that land by the King of England to settle a debt owed to Penn’s father. And Penn was a prolific writer. Could this search be for one of the documents he “penned”? “Pun intended”. Carrying on, if one were to use all the letters in the title line it is easy to find “PA town” (Philadelphia, which Penn did the city planning). Is all this an accident, coincidence? I don’t know, you decide. As for me, I’m looking at important documents written by William Penn.
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Post by susb8383 on Jun 26, 2021 11:13:04 GMT -5
What you call an orb also looks like an opal to me. From what I've read the most common shape is oval followed by round.
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Post by susb8383 on Jun 26, 2021 11:16:52 GMT -5
There's a new comment from NS on Youtube. They clarify the beale cipher means take one letter from each line of text.
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Post by hobohowdy on Jun 26, 2021 11:48:41 GMT -5
I don't disagree that the (what I call and orb) does have many of the same characters as the opal. The point I was trying illuminate is the difference between the two objects. I believe there is an important difference between the two. My post was not intended to create a debate on semantics because I’m one of the last guys that should be involved in one of those. Just sharing some thoughts.
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Post by hobohowdy on Jun 26, 2021 13:52:38 GMT -5
There's a new comment from NS on Youtube. They clarify the beale cipher means take one letter from each line of text. It seems that now we not only have the challenge to identify the correct document, we need to find the EXACT copy of the document NS used in creating the cipher… Hummmmm. A document on the internet that is not changeable. And a minimum of only 73 lines. Sure. Yeah, OK. I’ll do that this afternoon. This just shot my Beale Cipher decoder spreadsheet in the A$$. Oh well, what the “H”. A little more mental gymnastics isn’t going to hurt, too much. |
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Post by hobohowdy on Jun 28, 2021 17:45:20 GMT -5
Does anyone else find this new statement from NS peculiar?
I just re-read the reply to “OneDay Dreamer “on 6/26/2021 for the umpteenth time. Something seems different. To me something changed.
In the beginning with the original video post, NS writes “Needs accompanying material - revealed through this Image in the video“. Another time NS writes “the correct source material is on this piece of CG paper“. In the 6/26/2021 comment NS writes “...this cipher, being the entire video,…” which to me means audio and video. This seems inconsistent with the previous writings.
I solicit your comments.
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Post by susb8383 on Aug 31, 2021 21:31:15 GMT -5
Does anyone else find this new statement from NS peculiar? I just re-read the reply to “OneDay Dreamer “on 6/26/2021 for the umpteenth time. Something seems different. To me something changed. In the beginning with the original video post, NS writes “Needs accompanying material - revealed through this Image in the video“. Another time NS writes “the correct source material is on this piece of CG paper“. In the 6/26/2021 comment NS writes “...this cipher, being the entire video,…” which to me means audio and video. This seems inconsistent with the previous writings. I solicit your comments. I agree, I'm not sure what to make of her comments as well. They seem contradictory to me too. |
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Post by susb8383 on Aug 31, 2021 21:36:38 GMT -5
I just saw this comment on Youtube:
Q: "Is the music a part of the clue or is it simply just the CG paper? "
And her answer:
"I'll have to decline to comment. For fairness of the hunt."
To me this means that the music is part of it.
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Post by luckluck on Sept 8, 2021 15:06:18 GMT -5
I think the music and the pseudo name are both red herrings. I've also seen people mention using the Bible, but there are too many versions to really make that a feasible options.
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Post by susb8383 on Sept 9, 2021 22:07:04 GMT -5
I think the music and the pseudo name are both red herrings. I've also seen people mention using the Bible, but there are too many versions to really make that a feasible options. Maybe but...there just isn't much else to point to text, and he/she has said that the video contains what we need to find the text. |
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Post by luckluck on Sept 10, 2021 11:14:31 GMT -5
other interesting aspects of this cipher include (as we have al noticed) the double 30 at the end as well as the 64 and 65 in the second line. Either the cipher used such high numbers just to throw off those trying to solve, or they are letters with very limited use, perhaps a qu combination. Still it's not very helpful without knowing the original source material. I have a feeling that once it is solved we will be slapping our heads and saying "of course".
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Post by astree on Sept 11, 2021 3:01:01 GMT -5
Ok...so I thought I'd ask and got this answer: All you need is there in that it’s a “beil” cipher and you’ll need the text. However you can find what text (and how to use it) with the code video alone.I'm assuming it's like the 'Beale' Cipher/Papers- so I think we need to follow the clues within the video to find the correct text to use..... mysteriouswritings.com/lost-treasure-and-the-beale-cipher/Perhaps it's a play on TreasureMan... I almost went down that rabbit hole, molnar. Note from the creator of the Cipher.... (who saw this thread and messaged me)..... I meant Beale. Not anything to do with treasureman. Sorry for my error. Then why would the creator put “beil” in quotes, as though it was a double meaning or play on words. |
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Post by astree on Sept 11, 2021 7:14:52 GMT -5
from NS : "you will need an accompanying text. This is a Beale cipher. Self contained in that everything you need to identify the correct source material is on this piece of CG paper.  " Seems therefore the background music is NOT the key to gaining the text? I am looking at the symbols on the image in the 6s and 9s ... anyone else working on this? I started looking at this from several different approaches. I’m not sure how far we need to go into general vs specialized knowledge. 3 opals, 3 6’s is interesting. ======= For example, 666 is generally known as the number of the beast from the book of Revelations. But is that knowledge too specialized for a puzzle that has “everything you need is on the CG paper” Iron Maiden had an album, The Number of the Beast, which has a skull face on the cover similar to the one found in the 9 (and similar angle - to finally answer your question. But this starts to become specialized knowledge. (“skull face” anagrams to “flask clue”?, doesnt look promising) some of the folks here have been able to get clear zoomed images of the images in the 6’s and 9, like the skull face / locomotive front? Do we need to be able to do that? One of the 6’s could ref, the star flower. music - FACE known reference to note spacing , reference to “CG paper”, G is last note on scale, is it a hint? (specialized) quite a bit of mathematical curiousities in the numbers and placements, but some of it seems too specialized. |
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Post by astree on Sept 11, 2021 7:29:59 GMT -5
I noticed the name of Niamo too. Which is why I don’t think the name is an anagram. If you were going to anagram something into a name, why would you spell the real name of Naomi differently but use the same letters? So...either Niamo is truly just a misspelling of Naomi in which case the full name probably is an anagram, or Niamo means something in itself. In Googling I found that niamo is a word in the language spoken in parts of the Philippines which means our. Our Speck? There were some interesting finds I was getting with the name, if they mean anything. Was also wondering if Speck could refer to World/Earth as a speck in the universe. niamo / ni amo looks italian referring to person(s) and love, (edit note into here: on youtube comments for this video, Niamo Speck says the opals are being given away to “spread the love”) could coincide to the tone of the music. The filipino dialect find is a good one. Im not sure if looking at languages like we are is getting too specialized though. |
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Post by astree on Sept 11, 2021 7:54:26 GMT -5
. 666 highlighted by the images within A Piece of the New World A Piece of the New Testament A Piece of the New Era (AD vs BC) Revelation 13:18 verse contains enough letters for a Beale approach. This calls for wisdom: let anyone with understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a person. Its number is six hundred and sixty-six Im thinking the phrase (though it depends on version) “Let anyone with understanding...” ======= Trivia... Roman numerals I V X L C D add up to 666 Nero Caesar name evaluates to 666 in greek system. www.enterthebible.org/Controls/feature/tool_etb_resource_display/resourcebox.aspx?selected_rid=216&original_id=66( interesting how the url link has 216 and that equals 6x6x6 ) |
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