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Post by kwendall on Aug 17, 2023 17:07:56 GMT -5
The turtle island is definitely the style of concrete turtles I used to play on at parks as a child in the early 80s, so not a new style, however it's not clear how long its been in the lake
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Post by kwendall on Aug 22, 2023 16:14:58 GMT -5
thinking more about the reflection theme: 1. the woman's face is very symmetrical. 2. Yin Yang is symmetrical by nature 3. The woman's arms are crossed over, similar to yin-yang 4. The symbols at the bottom of the dress, eg. up/down, left/right, yin-yang All of these not-so-subtle clues lead me to believe there must be hidden clues to be revealed in the painting by reflecting, and/or rotating a reflection. Below are a few results I've found to be very interesting: rotate the reflection of the cross around 'cross over' ave, puts the treasure in a seemingly possible location. (This is your 'giant pole, giant step' final clue)
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Post by choice on Aug 22, 2023 17:40:08 GMT -5
Giant pole as ephemism for the ying yang. Giant step from one pole to the other. This explains all the symbols at the bottom, eg up/down left/right cross is plus/minus eg the polarity of the "crossover". QED A simple alternative would be: Giant pole: "polo" field Giant step: JFK Drive (moon landing) Casque is kept: Turtle shell, similar shape as WWII Army helmet
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Post by diceycat on Aug 22, 2023 17:52:47 GMT -5
Looking at the first three casques that were found, every line in the verse points to something directly or indirectly that can be seen from or in the park/ dig site. So when he mentions a pole then my assumption is a physical pole , ( a landmark), than can be seen, ( at least back in 1982). I know today we have a lot of different ways to manipulate an image with a computer program, but in 1982 I doubt he would expect you to do that even though it’s tempting to do so today Maybe fold the image or use a mirror or look at it on an angle or black light. or a colour filter. Something low tech.
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Post by choice on Aug 22, 2023 18:31:22 GMT -5
Sure, the 3 solved ones have mostly visible verse clues. That doesn't mean that the same template applies to the rest. Maybe a few. Climb 92 steps, walk 100 paces. Better bring a pair of binoculars!
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Post by diceycat on Aug 22, 2023 18:52:29 GMT -5
Certainly some lines in the verse are directions on how to get to the next landmark or casque. Other lines are landmarks you can see, feel, smell or hear from the park/ dig site. Maybe at the right time of year , when the leaves are gone you can see a bit of what he his talking about. It all speculation based on the theory that we are in the correct location to begin with
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Post by choice on Aug 22, 2023 21:09:44 GMT -5
Just the last couple of lines of the verse make multiple connections to other cities' puzzles. Pole, polo, Puopolo, Boston, polo stick as bird perch. Step, JFK moon landing, Houston. Casque, St Augustine. We need an evidence board. I got some red yarn!
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Post by diceycat on Aug 23, 2023 9:48:20 GMT -5
The problem I see is that a lot of the searchers primarily use the painting to solve the puzzle and not the verse . There could be a wide range of meanings to each object in the painting, ( picture is worth 1000 words). Look how far off people were when they saw the letter “L” on the Bell , ( Cleveland solve), and thought Liberty Bell , that’s the location, Philadelphia when in fact it was just for Liberty street.
I say if you can’t first find a stone wall door where the air smells sweet, ( not in taste but mood and atmosphere that is universal to everyone). You better look for it since that is the starting point. There better be a travel corridor , ( Road ,path , trail , sidewalk etc. ), close by this stone wall door that runs North and you have to be able to cross over it. BP said”running north”, , not look north or go north or head north. To me this means a travel corridor that goes north. The object of Twain’s attention is on the other side of the travel corridor from the stonewall door and north of it. Also close to this stonewall door there has to be something ( sign or structure) that everyone can see and implies education and Justice ,( JFK Drive sign),as well as the three high posts that can be seen,( something wooden…perhaps those three tall trees on the road island in front of the stonewall door?)
The “in the jewels direction” aka “in the direction of the Pearl” , we see the Pearl shape of the concrete turtle shell in the lake.
Now is when one should take a closer look at the painting and see if it makes sense. Certainly the so called strawberry could be a representation of Strawberry hill . Nothing in the verse implies Strawberry hill, maybe it’s just a park confirmation. It could be a lamp post light, or a bunch of grapes or nothing at all , all open to interpretation, hundreds of possibilities.
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Post by kwendall on Aug 23, 2023 10:14:37 GMT -5
All good points, there are some partially good matches to the verse described in this thread for Sprekels lake area. However there was an interview with the artist, he said some treasures were more painting heavy, and some more verse heavy, and some of the paintings pick up where the verse leaves off. So there's no strict template. Imo no solution has yet to match every clue convincingly, so here we are... Hopefully working together to look outside the box and solve this thing. I also tend to think of the verse clues as symbolic first, eg giant pole probably doesn't mean the obvious flag pole. And tbh, if one of us figures out every clue and has a lock solid solution, I don't think it will get posted here
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Post by diceycat on Aug 23, 2023 10:21:46 GMT -5
All solutions are just theories until they are probed.
When it comes to “pole” look up the Webster’s definition . It could be a tree, says diameter of up to 14 inches. So in my solve ,are any of those cut tree trunk stumps 14 inches across or did that tree have a 14 inch diameter 40 years ago? Still think it’s that Giant Sequoia. BP uses the word “Giant” why not tall or big etc. ? I think BP is implying Giant Sequoia since that is what Twain was famous for in California, that Giant Sequoia that was cut down and now has his name attributed to it. It’s like the Boston verse “ feel at home” . BP is using the word “ home” which ties in with Home plate and feel is a touching action.
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Post by kwendall on Aug 23, 2023 10:36:26 GMT -5
Exactly, my son was asking me how sure I was... I said about 5% but until someone finds it, more like 0%. But we all know that, so why not riff off these ideas and see if something shakes out?
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Post by diceycat on Aug 23, 2023 11:01:18 GMT -5
Let’s look at that Strawberry for a bit. In the painting the Strawberry,( Strawberry hill), is located below what I call the land island on JFK Drive. Now JJP paints most if not all the images in a NSEW direction with North being at the top. There are 3 layers ( foreground, middle ground and background) in the paintings so you need to pay attention to that as well. Strawberry hill is south of the JFK island. So it fits that parameter. Yes it’s east as well but I think as long as it fits one aspect then your on the right track.
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Post by kwendall on Aug 23, 2023 11:38:55 GMT -5
Interesting, I like the foreground/background observation. Is there a implication of where the treasure is wrt the layer? Eg were other treasures always buried in the foreground etC?
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Post by diceycat on Aug 23, 2023 12:45:17 GMT -5
The only certainty may be that the centre of the painting is where the casque is buried. Don’t know if anyone has probed in the lake area.
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Post by diceycat on Aug 23, 2023 13:12:45 GMT -5
I think the turtle plays a part for sure. The tree in question could be in the direction that the turtle head is pointing or the turtle is just a landmark in the line of vision . Don’t know if that turtle has been replaced or repaired in the last 40 years. I would look at the pearl as being in the foreground of the painting
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