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Post by heidini on Jul 3, 2017 13:16:27 GMT -5
But wasn't it cute! Lol... I thought I'd at least get a smile! Sean- you did address you message to "all." |
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Post by heidini on Jul 31, 2017 19:14:03 GMT -5
the 9 sentences are not the nine clues. I agree. He worked on that poem he said for a super long time. I don't think it is as simple as nine sentences equals nine clues. Especially when he said the first clue starts in the second stanza. |
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Post by rahrah on Aug 1, 2017 1:11:55 GMT -5
let me try and explain what i'm thinkin'. if the first clue is wwwh as forrest stated in the new zeeland interview and you consider the first stanza a clue, i have to ask how do you read the poem. do you omit the first stanza and save it for the end? do you read the first stanza twice? once at the beginning and once at the end? if this is so then the first time we read the first stanza it has no meaning?, and the second time is when we get the clue? to me the first stanza is there for confirmation of your final location. every story i have ever read had a preface to set the stage. i see it as the only way you will know where alone in there is, is to solve the poem. so in my mind the first stanza is rendered useless as a clue and is used for confirmation of your location. of course this is my view of it, and it makes seance to me. it is not something i will argue over and i'm not trying to convince anybody. it's just the way i see the poem. "Begin it where..." is the first clue in the poem that you have to solve; it is not the physical starting location where you will find yourself when you "begin it" (your search BOTG). The first stanza guides you to where you will find the starting location in the poem, but it's not obvious or easy until you solve the first clue, "Begin it where...".....if that makes any sense? |
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Post by heidini on Aug 1, 2017 11:58:38 GMT -5
I hold the same opinion also.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Aug 1, 2017 14:15:08 GMT -5
With all that we know after 7 years, a lot of tangents have to be stretched in order for someone to still hold on to the idea that each sentence contains exactly one clue.
1. The first clue is BIWWWH.
2. The clues are consecutive and contiguous (therefore any clue in the first stanza is by definition out of order)
3. If one sentence = 1 clue, then "And take it in the canyon down, Not far, but too far to walk" is not a clue
4. If one sentence = 1 clue, then the entire third stanza is a single clue. No place for the meek, end ever drawing nigh, no paddle up your creek, heavy loads, and water high = 1 clue. Yeah, right.
But I like the 9 sentences = 9 clues folks: less competition for me. ;-)
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Post by rahrah on Aug 1, 2017 15:05:39 GMT -5
With all that we know after 7 years, a lot of tangents have to be stretched in order for someone to still hold on to the idea that each sentence contains exactly one clue. 1. The first clue is BIWWWH. 2. The clues are consecutive and contiguous (therefore any clue in the first stanza is by definition out of order) 3. If one sentence = 1 clue, then "And take it in the canyon down, Not far, but too far to walk" is not a clue 4. If one sentence = 1 clue, then the entire third stanza is a single clue. No place for the meek, end ever drawing nigh, no paddle up your creek, heavy loads, and water high = 1 clue. Yeah, right. But I like the 9 sentences = 9 clues folks: less competition for me. ;-) I think one mistake some make (and this IMO) is that consecutive and contiguous means the clues must be followed in order - they need to be solved in order, but...at least in my solve...on the ground the order is not as it is in the poem, which is why I noted that the first stanza directs you to find the first location you go to. But, you need to solve the entire second stanza first (not simply "begin it where warm waters halt"), otherwise you'll never "get" what the first stanza is telling you to do or where to go to know the first location. Maybe "never" is too strong, one might "get" it, but it's highly unlikely without solving the second stanza. |
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Post by rahrah on Aug 1, 2017 15:09:14 GMT -5
The second stanza contains three clues - they're all in the same place basically, but more specifically it's 1. name of a general area, 2. town, and 3. a specific location in that town.
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Post by rahrah on Aug 1, 2017 15:10:47 GMT -5
The poem is remarkably precise in detail provided, to give you very specific information.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Aug 1, 2017 20:54:53 GMT -5
I think Forrest's admission that WWWH is the first clue gives a lot of people the wrong impression that the first stanza is just setup or fluff. Without that stanza, no one solves WWWH IMO. WWWH requires information from stanza 1 in order to nail down a precise point on the map.
There is no doubt that plenty of folks have solved WWWH -- some perhaps by happenstance, but most by design. As far as I know, no one has actually spilled the beans about that starting point on Dal's or Jenny's sites (I'm less sure about Jenny's because I haven't thoroughly searched it), but I can't speak for Chasechat or others because I don't use them. But I'm dead sure about Dal's since I've read all 200+k messages.
But the folks that have figured out WWWH don't so much interest me. The real bottleneck is the third clue, and no, that isn't home of Brown (yes, IMO). That so many people think so is thankfully one of the reasons the chest remains where Forrest left it.
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Post by heidini on Aug 1, 2017 21:03:52 GMT -5
I believe the home of brown is one of the hints. I don't think it's going to lead you to the chest.
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Post by rahrah on Aug 1, 2017 23:07:24 GMT -5
I believe the home of brown is one of the hints. I don't think it's going to lead you to the chest. In my solve, Put in below the home of Brown is a very precise location. |
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Post by rahrah on Aug 1, 2017 23:08:26 GMT -5
I think Forrest's admission that WWWH is the first clue gives a lot of people the wrong impression that the first stanza is just setup or fluff. Without that stanza, no one solves WWWH IMO. WWWH requires information from stanza 1 in order to nail down a precise point on the map. There is no doubt that plenty of folks have solved WWWH -- some perhaps by happenstance, but most by design. As far as I know, no one has actually spilled the beans about that starting point on Dal's or Jenny's sites (I'm less sure about Jenny's because I haven't thoroughly searched it), but I can't speak for Chasechat or others because I don't use them. But I'm dead sure about Dal's since I've read all 200+k messages. But the folks that have figured out WWWH don't so much interest me. The real bottleneck is the third clue, and no, that isn't home of Brown (yes, IMO). That so many people think so is thankfully one of the reasons the chest remains where Forrest left it. In my solve, the first stanza helps you find the starting location, elsewhere in the poem, which is not the second stanza when you're going out BOTG. |
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Post by fundamentaldesign on Aug 7, 2017 13:37:57 GMT -5
We found out from f that begin=begin. Didn't need to find a synonym for begin.
Probably hint=hint. lol
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Post by goldwatch on Aug 24, 2017 10:59:42 GMT -5
All, Just checking in and saying hello. Hope everyone is doing well. Seannm Hello Seannm. Good to hear from you here again. |
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Post by goldwatch on Aug 30, 2017 9:50:03 GMT -5
Sean, people read stuff and it sometimes sticks and then later on something clicks but they forget where they got the ideas from.
So you're contention is that the first clue, which FF has stated is WWWH (5th line), needs to be solved and that allows you to solve the next one, wherever that is in the poem. And that could be line 20, or line 7, or anywhere. And those 2 solves allows you to solve the 3rd clue, wherever that may be. Correct?
That's an interesting theory, but I'm not going to toss out other possibilities either. Not until the thing is a "correct solve".
(Just the same, nice thinkin' cap.)
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