|
|
Post by robjohnson on Jul 2, 2017 9:52:13 GMT -5
I like the question - I've been thinking that his place is away from there/where in the past. It's now a place there/where that nobody except Fenn has been, talking now present tense.
|
|
|
|
Post by heidini on Jul 2, 2017 10:37:21 GMT -5
Wolf- congrats on raising such a large sum of money. You should be very proud of yourself. You have a lot of irons in the fire.
|
|
|
|
Post by rahrah on Jul 2, 2017 10:55:03 GMT -5
Folks, treasure hunting is a tough game, it is tough to have a theory defeated, but it is better to cry now and move on rather than spin your tires in denial. The news is tough to hear but it is on topic. "You’re going to have to figure out the clues. Go to the first clue, and then the clues are consecutive after that. " ~Forrest Fenn ((From The Lure Q&A)) "THE FIRST CLUE IN THE POEM IS ‘ BEGIN IT WHERE WARM WATERS HALT, THAT’S THE FIRST CLUE." (second sentence)~Forrest Fenn 2013 It doesn't get any clearer than that, this theory is dead! What's amusing is that you cannot wrap your head around the fact that it is not only possible, but it is that "begin it where warm waters halt" is indeed the first clue.....BUT, you will not be able to get there without the essential information of WHERE that is and what IT is. I do agree nine sentences is not nine clues, but all of the sentences DO play a role in the solve, Fenn has said - clearly - don't discount any of the words, and there is a reason for that. |
|
|
|
Post by heidini on Jul 2, 2017 11:12:56 GMT -5
So let's say someone found WWWH and HOB and were wise and found the blaze. So that's 4 clues. Now what?
|
|
|
|
Post by rahrah on Jul 2, 2017 11:51:38 GMT -5
The first stanza is telling you something important, not a clue per se, but you need that information to know where to begin it.
As I have gone alone in there
And with my treasures bold,
I can keep my secret where,
And hint of riches new and old.
Begin it where warm waters halt
And take it in the canyon down,
Not far, but too far to walk.
Put in below the home of Brown.
From there it’s no place for the meek,
The end is ever drawing nigh;
There’ll be no paddle up your creek,
Just heavy loads and water high.
If you’ve been wise and found the blaze,
Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
Just take the chest and go in peace.
So why is it that I must go
And leave my trove for all to seek?
The answers I already know,
I’ve done it tired, and now I’m weak.
So hear me all and listen good,
Your effort will be worth the cold.
If you are brave and in the wood
I give you title to the gold.
|
|
|
|
Post by zaphod73491 on Jul 2, 2017 14:53:02 GMT -5
To entertain the theory that 9 sentences = 9 clues now requires quite a few additional restrictions:
1. Either "Take it in the canyon down" is not a clue or "Not far, but too far to walk" is not a clue.
2. There is an out-of-order clue in the first stanza
3. There is only one clue in the entire third stanza
4. There is no clue within "Look quickly down, your quest to cease, But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
Just take the chest and go in peace."
There are others, but these four will already paint you into a pretty tight corner.
|
|
|
|
Post by rahrah on Jul 2, 2017 14:57:45 GMT -5
1. Either "Take it in the canyon down" is not a clue or "Not far, but too far to walk" is not a clue.
They are a clue together and it is not a distance.
2. There is an out-of-order clue in the first stanza
There is a clue in the first stanza, it is not the first clue; the first clue is begin it where warm waters halt - but to begin it, you need to know what IT is and where IT is.
3. There is only one clue in the entire third stanza
IMO, yes
4. There is no clue within "Look quickly down, your quest to cease, But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
Just take the chest and go in peace."
IMO, there is one or more clues in there.
|
|
|
|
Post by zaphod73491 on Jul 2, 2017 15:14:30 GMT -5
Hi RahRah -- just to clarify, my point was to show that there are heavy restrictions on the 9 sentences = 9 clues paradigm. You and I are in agreement that there is critical information in the first stanza and that WWWH cannot be solved without it; I'm agnostic as to whether Forrest considers it a clue or a hint, though I lean toward it being a hint in his eyes because it helps you solve a clue, and it absolutely MUST be solved first or you'll never figure out WWWH. Treating it as a hint gets around the problem of the clues being both contiguous and consecutive.
|
|
|
|
Post by rahrah on Jul 2, 2017 21:25:06 GMT -5
Hi RahRah -- just to clarify, my point was to show that there are heavy restrictions on the 9 sentences = 9 clues paradigm. You and I are in agreement that there is critical information in the first stanza and that WWWH cannot be solved without it; I'm agnostic as to whether Forrest considers it a clue or a hint, though I lean toward it being a hint in his eyes because it helps you solve a clue, and it absolutely MUST be solved first or you'll never figure out WWWH. Treating it as a hint gets around the problem of the clues being both contiguous and consecutive. We're in agreement....I don't consider the first stanza to be the first clue. |
|
|
|
Post by kpro on Jul 2, 2017 22:55:47 GMT -5
Excellent post and thread, thanks as always to Sean. Lots to think about.
|
|
|
|
Post by rahrah on Jul 3, 2017 2:08:17 GMT -5
You're on track Sean!
|
|
|
|
Post by rahrah on Jul 3, 2017 2:08:46 GMT -5
It's hard to explain without giving away a critical element of my solve, but you're on the right track IMO.
|
|
|
|
Post by rahrah on Jul 3, 2017 10:53:36 GMT -5
Identify IT
|
|
|
|
Post by heidini on Jul 3, 2017 12:41:35 GMT -5
All, The gingerbread man is alive and well, and it matters not how close one is to the baker only how close they are to recovering the prize. Fast as fast can be you'll never catch me!  You still do not have any original thoughts or ideas, your just a floater, hahahahahaha! Seannm "So the little gingerbread man jumped on the fox's nose. The fox threw back his head and snapped his sharp teeth. And that was the end of the Gingerbread man!" www.nursery-rhymes.co/index.php/home/lyrics/the-gingerbread-manHaHaHa!!! 😘 |
|
|
|
Post by heidini on Jul 3, 2017 13:11:59 GMT -5
But wasn't it cute! Lol... I thought I'd at least get a smile!
|
|
