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Post by rahrah on Jul 1, 2017 22:22:50 GMT -5
The theory is dead, clue one is in the second stanza and second sentence and the clues are contiguous and are required to be followed in order, thus 9 sentences = 9 clues is proven logically false. Thinking otherwise is delusional. Beware of false profits saying otherwise. You still don't have IT with just "Begin IT where warm waters halt and take IT in the canyon down, not far but too far to walk"....there are things in the poem that help you understand what IT is, and IT is not your journey! If you think that the second stanza alone can get you to the starting location, you're still dead in the water! |
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Post by The Wolf on Jul 1, 2017 22:30:41 GMT -5
Not meant to be negative, I guess it may seem that way when the truth is told, but you provide a predictable response. This is a well known phenomenon in treasure hunts, when the treasure is found, people don't want to believe, can't believe and continue to search. The same effect occurs when theories are debunked, denial is the first reaction. Similar to the 5 stages of grief, most come around eventually. It is fascinating listening to all the rationalization going on right now, underwater does mean in the water, not near the Rio means only a few inches from the Rio river bank, etc. It is all denial and understandably difficult to admit failure.
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Post by The Wolf on Jul 1, 2017 22:47:29 GMT -5
"They’re contiguous. I knew where I wanted to hide the treasure chest, so it was easy for me to put one foot down and then step on it to get to the next foot."
"All you have to do is think about the nine clues and follow them in order...." f
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Post by heidini on Jul 1, 2017 22:49:57 GMT -5
"They’re contiguous. I knew where I wanted to hide the treasure chest, so it was easy for me to put one foot down and then step on it to get to the next foot." "All you have to do is think about the nine clues and follow them in order...." I take this to mean that it's buried 24 inches down. "So it was easy for me to put 1 foot down and then step on it to get to the next foot." |
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Post by heidini on Jul 1, 2017 23:06:55 GMT -5
I guess it does
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Post by The Wolf on Jul 1, 2017 23:29:59 GMT -5
Clues in consecutive order
"You’re going to have to figure out the clues. Go to the first clue, and then the clues are consecutive after that. " ~Forrest Fenn ((From The Lure Q&A))
- This theory is dead!
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Post by heidini on Jul 1, 2017 23:48:34 GMT -5
I missed you guys! 😘😘
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Post by The Wolf on Jul 2, 2017 0:00:58 GMT -5
Folks, treasure hunting is a tough game, it is tough to have a theory defeated, but it is better to cry now and move on rather than spin your tires in denial. The news is tough to hear but it is on topic.
"You’re going to have to figure out the clues. Go to the first clue, and then the clues are consecutive after that. " ~Forrest Fenn ((From The Lure Q&A))
"THE FIRST CLUE IN THE POEM IS ‘BEGIN IT WHERE WARM WATERS HALT, THAT’S THE FIRST CLUE." (second sentence)~Forrest Fenn 2013
It doesn't get any clearer than that, this theory is dead!
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Post by heidini on Jul 2, 2017 0:18:47 GMT -5
I think saying it is dead is harsh.
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Post by The Wolf on Jul 2, 2017 0:20:40 GMT -5
Everyones want to hear a civil debate so I am refraining from ad hominem remarks and sticking to the facts. Again those facts are: "You’re going to have to figure out the clues. Go to the first clue, and then the clues are consecutive after that. " ~Forrest Fenn ((From The Lure Q&A)) "THE FIRST CLUE IN THE POEM IS ‘BEGIN IT WHERE WARM WATERS HALT, THAT’S THE FIRST CLUE." (second sentence)~Forrest Fenn 2013 It doesn't get any clearer than that, this theory has been proven false!  Lets remember this is Jenny's house and we all promised to keep it clean so lets all stick to the facts. Thank you for your time. |
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Post by The Wolf on Jul 2, 2017 0:23:03 GMT -5
I think saying it is dead is harsh. The truth can seem harsh, but if you have a term that cuts to the heart of the matter, I am all ears, what do you suggest? One last question, how does being called a jerk seem to you? it sounds harsh to me. The 9 sentences = 9 clues has been around long before Seannm has been in the Chase. In fact, up until recently it was my theory, even before this thread was created. So to me calling it dead is just me saying this idea is gone and onto the next. However over the last few months, I began to see cracks in it. It doesn't change my solution any, just the meaning of the Metaphorical circling back to the first clue. That is what is so important, which now makes it crystal clear; like the memory of my first few steps. * Forrest confirming "Where warm waters halt" is the first clue, now verifies my theory, I was wrong thinking 9 sentences=9 clues. Using all the words in theme is important, but the clues have to start at clue 1 and be followed in order of the poem (it can't bounce to stanza 5 or 6 and back to stanza 2, etc. Once one starts, one has to continue to follow each word as per the poem's directions, to get closer to the treasure. Now, * We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time * is elegantly explained with this latest clue revelation by FF. It proves why one has "been wise" and completes his perfectly ornate solution. There remains zero ambiguity, just one perfect and complete solution, that will remain to the end of time. Well done, Mr. Fenn, it truly is a masterpiece and now two people know, we shall prove two can keep a secret and still remain alive ... |
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Post by The Wolf on Jul 2, 2017 0:37:35 GMT -5
This will likely be my last post here and my website findingfenn.com will cease tomorrow. It has been a turbulent two years but I managed to raise over $4000 for cancer research. However, a few select individuals have made my efforts to raise awareness for cancer research a target. As many will see from his last few posts, the owner of this thread will likely take pride in this anti-charity victory. So I would like to thank everyone who has graciously donated to cancer research directly or through the purchase of my book. Farewell everyone and be kind to one another. The Wolf |
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Post by goldwatch on Jul 2, 2017 6:48:18 GMT -5
Wolfie, congrats on raising $4k to fight cancer.
Back to topic, my take is that the first clue is WWWH, and that's where you start putting dots on the map.
However, that doesn't mean there can't be hints in the rest of the poem. Those hints could be to the general location, a particular state or county, the general atmosphere surrounding the treasure, or just about anything.
I personally can't make anything out of the first stanza, but I wonder just the same. Some of the wording seems like it could mean something. I just haven't figured anything out.
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Post by robjohnson on Jul 2, 2017 7:22:04 GMT -5
In my thinking, I cannot ignore the last stanza of the poem and achieve a solution. We are directed to be brave and in the wood. And our effort is worth the cold.
The first stanza has where and there. The secret is where, he went alone in there. I used to have thoughts that "there" was potentially different than where. But I reread Page 125 ttotc, paraphrased strangers go there and a friend hooks a nice one - along fishing waters but not alone necessarily. The personal secrets of those fishing places are no longer secrets? Page 124, "where I fished as a kid" are now in pictures, no longer a secret. But Fenn stated in the poem "alone in there". So maybe we must adjust the where and there to the treasure spot, present time, away from the there and where in past times.
What do you think?
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Post by goldwatch on Jul 2, 2017 9:24:11 GMT -5
In my thinking, I cannot ignore the last stanza of the poem and achieve a solution. We are directed to be brave and in the wood. And our effort is worth the cold. The first stanza has where and there. The secret is where, he went alone in there. I used to have thoughts that "there" was potentially different than where. But I reread Page 125 ttotc, paraphrased strangers go there and a friend hooks a nice one - along fishing waters but not alone necessarily. The personal secrets of those fishing places are no longer secrets? Page 124, "where I fished as a kid" are now in pictures, no longer a secret. But Fenn stated in the poem "alone in there". So maybe we must adjust the where and there to the treasure spot, present time, away from the there and where in past times. What do you think? You're saying that his special place may be one of those places where it used to be "his alone" but may not be such a private spot anymore? |
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