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Post by The Wolf on Dec 8, 2016 0:03:35 GMT -5
A very good summary Sparky and I agree with most of your presentation all the way to clue 4. The logic breaks down at clue 5. This is natural since that seems to be where Mr. Fenn confirms that searcher is stuck. So add another possibility at clue 5. Consider that this is where the trick occurs. Sure it has been tough getting to clue 4, but this is where reading the poem the right way makes the difference.
Also, consider the fact that if this proposal is true ( and I believe it is very possible), then you are at the chest at clue 5 but there are four clues left. How do you explain that if FF has confirmed that the clues get you closer to the treasure chest? Solve that conundrum and then you may move past clue 4.
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Post by The Wolf on Dec 8, 2016 9:03:04 GMT -5
This is smarter everyday progress. Those best able to adjust will make it through in the end. I have been saying for a very long time, this is not what we initially believed it to be. We were supposed to fail at first and learn, adjust in order to concur. This example is doing just that, however, it is only half way. There are a few tricks at play, the poem is supposed to make one think one way. The winner will be a contrarian, will navigate through the tricks and will not let the intuition traps contain them. There is one major trick left - the master illusion, the illusion or assumption rolled just highlighted. Bust that and you are you may advance to the final level. Good luck.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 9:35:25 GMT -5
Wolf,
are you suggesting the poem if read over and over will eventually turn the "winner" into a contrarian?
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Post by The Wolf on Dec 8, 2016 9:46:06 GMT -5
Wolf, are you suggesting the poem if read over and over will eventually turn the "winner" into a contrarian? nope, I am suggesting the winner will evolve into a contrarian, or is naturally a contrarian but learned to tap into their contrarian instincts. The emphasis is on learn. How they get there is entirely up to them. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 10:08:32 GMT -5
thewolf, Excellent. You are entirely correct. This is the half-way point, this is where we encounter the "mirror", the twin, the double, the reflection. It is at this point, that imagination becomes more important than knowledge. It is at this point that I begin to find the "matches" that I will use to "get the dumb fire started". After several unsuccessful attempts, I "burn the map", thereby blazing my own trail from this point forward. This "very wise" foible was forgiven, inasmuch as it led me to my current "blaze", my end point. This is where the woodcutter has me "stumped" (page 146,TTOTC).The The woodcutter is a tuff one, he doesn't look tired or weak. Did all the wood go to a paper mill as pulp wood? Did it go to make beams or ties for railroad tracks and tressels or did it go to build cabins and houses? He looks peaceful for someone who has displaced the dove and the frog, how can that be? |
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Post by The Wolf on Dec 8, 2016 10:10:15 GMT -5
thewolf, Excellent. You are entirely correct. This is the half-way point, this is where we encounter the "mirror", the twin, the double, the reflection. It is at this point, that imagination becomes more important than knowledge. It is at this point that I begin to find the "matches" that I will use to "get the dumb fire started". After several unsuccessful attempts, I "burn the map", thereby blazing my own trail from this point forward. This "very wise" foible was forgiven, inasmuch as it led me to my current "blaze", my end point. This is where the woodcutter has me "stumped" (page 146,TTOTC).The The woodcutter is a tuff one, he doesn't look tired or weak. Did all the wood go to a paper mill as pulp wood? Did it go to make beams or ties for railroad tracks and tressels or did it go to build cabins and houses? He looks peaceful for someone who has displaced the dove and the frog, how can that be? Agree, but I have just one question, "what frog?" |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 10:22:01 GMT -5
Wolf, are you suggesting the poem if read over and over will eventually turn the "winner" into a contrarian? nope, I am suggesting the winner will evolve into a contrarian, or is naturally a contrarian but learned to tap into their contrarian instincts. The emphasis is on learn. How they get there is entirely up to them. Ok, trying to keep up need more coffee. The "winner" is a radically free original thinker who will reject popular opinion for an opposing view that is derived in their mind the only logical solution. They may not know that they have this ability or they may know that they do but have kept it hidden from others to avoid controversy. In the end they discover that this gift is part of who the are and should be embraced? |
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Post by The Wolf on Dec 8, 2016 10:25:55 GMT -5
This is quite the little paradox you have created. We also know he said,
"So I wrote a poem containing nine clues that if followed precisely, will lead to the end of my rainbow and the treasure:"
Your example says 9 sentences = 9 clues, yet there are 4 more clues (sentences) in stanza 5 and 6 that now doesn't get us any closer to the chest. Where is the precise in this proposal?
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Post by The Wolf on Dec 8, 2016 10:32:21 GMT -5
nope, I am suggesting the winner will evolve into a contrarian, or is naturally a contrarian but learned to tap into their contrarian instincts. The emphasis is on learn. How they get there is entirely up to them. Ok, trying to keep up need more coffee. The "winner" is a radically free original thinker who will reject popular opinion for an opposing view that is derived in their mind the only logical solution. They may not know that they have this ability or they may know that they do but have kept it hidden from others to avoid controversy. In the end they discover that this gift is part of who the are and should be embraced? I actually like the way you say that, poetic. I think it needs a tweak. "The 'winner' is a unique free thinker who will reject popular opinion for an opposing view that is conceived from Forrest's mind - the only logical solution. They may not know that they have this ability or they may know that they do but have not learned to use it. In the end they discover that this gift is part of who they are and who Fenn is." Well it is a good first draft, lets keep working on it until it is print ready. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 10:47:37 GMT -5
seannm and Wolf,
You both have very creative and imaginative ideas almost as if you are related. Wolf you make it sound like Fenn is molding and shaping a person to create a piece of art, if that is the case the model is always the last to see what they have become, much like what sean quoted"the faculty or action of forming new ideas, or images or concepts of external objects not present to the senses." The person will not know they were the subject until they discover the chest?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 10:49:51 GMT -5
The woodcutter is a tuff one, he doesn't look tired or weak. Did all the wood go to a paper mill as pulp wood? Did it go to make beams or ties for railroad tracks and tressels or did it go to build cabins and houses? He looks peaceful for someone who has displaced the dove and the frog, how can that be? Agree, but I have just one question, "what frog?" The frog that shares his nest with the dove. |
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Post by The Wolf on Dec 8, 2016 10:52:12 GMT -5
seannm and Wolf, You both have very creative and imaginative ideas almost as if you are related. Wolf you make it sound like Fenn is molding and shaping a person to create a piece of art, if that is the case the model is always the last to see what they have become, much like what sean quoted"the faculty or action of forming new ideas, or images or concepts of external objects not present to the senses." The person will not know they were the subject until they discover the chest? Thank you and I really like your analogy. |
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Post by The Wolf on Dec 8, 2016 10:54:43 GMT -5
This is quite the little paradox you have created. We also know he said, "So I wrote a poem containing nine clues that if followed precisely, will lead to the end of my rainbow and the treasure:" Your example says 9 sentences = 9 clues, yet there are 4 more clues (sentences) in stanza 5 and 6 that now doesn't get us any closer to the chest. Where is the precise in this proposal? Wolf, I agree and I struggle with this, but let me give an example of why I believe that stanza's 1,5 and 6 may only be supportive clues/information. "And hint of riches new and old" - "The clues did not exist when I was a kid but most of the places the clues refer to did."f - "If you've been wise and found the blaze" Those two lines from the poem combined with the statement from Forrest IMO appear to coincide. I once quoted you a line from a chapter in TTOTC, if you remember it then that specific line along with one from the poem could also coincide to confirming what no place for the meek may be. I believe too many of us are looking at the poem to give us the answers in a linear fashion, but we should look at the "big picture". Seannm But, isn't that what we are all doing? We get something working but we logically can't continue in the paradigm, so we twist, bend and rationalize within the paradigm. What is wrong with changing the paradigm? Perhaps we need to keep shaping and moulding without thinking what the result should look like until we reach the end and see what we created (thanks JL). |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 11:10:00 GMT -5
Imagination is a terrible thing to waste and any other gift for that matter.
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Post by fundamentaldesign on Dec 8, 2016 14:25:27 GMT -5
A very good summary Sparky and I agree with most of your presentation all the way to clue 4. The logic breaks down at clue 5. This is natural since that seems to be where Mr. Fenn confirms that searcher is stuck. So add another possibility at clue 5. Consider that this is where the trick occurs. Sure it has been tough getting to clue 4, but this is where reading the poem the right way makes the difference. Also, consider the fact that if this proposal is true ( and I believe it is very possible), then you are at the chest at clue 5 but there are four clues left. How do you explain that if FF has confirmed that the clues get you closer to the treasure chest? Solve that conundrum and then you may move past clue 4. Wolf, Like I had mentioned, I believe that the information contained in stanza's 1,5 and 6 does not get a searcher closer to the chest, they only reiterate what we already know from TTOTC, the many interviews and writings from Forrest. Therefore the remaining stanza's 2,3 and 4 contain what will lead us from here to there, and now I'm wavering on the idea that stanza 4 is just a statement about one who has become wise has figured out that they are now at the end. We know he went alone, thus his spot is secret. We know he left clues and hints to its location. We know its in the Rocky Mountains north of Santa Fe. We know he wanted to pass on the thrill. We know he wanted to get people outside and away from their electronic devices. We know that at the end of his rainbow is the treasure. So if as Marvin Fenn said "The greater part of knowledge is knowing those things not worthy of knowing", if we then eliminate what we already know, what we are left with are those things that are worthy of knowing. I'm not suggesting that there isn't potentially valuable information to be gleamed from stanza's 1,5 and 6 I just believe that that information does not get us closer. Seannm I like your thoughts, Seannm, but the one I don't agree with is your stanza 1 interpretation and that you think the information there doesn't get us closer. I think people are fooling themselves when all they say about stanza 1 is that we already know f went in alone with the tc, kept it a secret and hints at old and new or such. Maybe the trick is who else mirrored this back in time. |
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