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Post by The Wolf on Dec 9, 2016 10:37:41 GMT -5
seannm, The concept of 9 clues and 9 sentences has been around for a long time but it has never held water with most searchers because they arrive at the same conclusion you have. For instance, if we have 5 clues over the first 4 stanzas, that get you into the area to the blaze or the chest. Then what difference does it make if two different techniques get you to the exact same ending point? To me the only way 9 clue = 9 sentences makes sense, is if those last two stanzas get you closer to the treasure chest. Wolf, I agree the 9 sentences possibly being the 9 clues is a concept that has been around for some time and that is why I had mentioned in my opening that is has been discussed before. My intent was to highlight these mentions by Forrest and give my interpretation of them based on that theory, something that I have not seen done before. Also by mentioning my theory that stanza's 1,5 and 6 may not contain information that gets one physically closer to the chest and providing them supporting data to that end was another way of getting people to look at that possibility. I firmly believe that one should not simply give away the answers, it is best that they come to the the conclusion on their own or they will not own it. Give a man a fish. Again I believe that if we remove all that we already know from the poem then what we are left with is what is worthy of knowing. Seannm I liked your summary to this concept. I agree right up until you felt 1,5&6 stanzas do not contain information that gets one physically closer to the chest “There are hints in my book that will help you with the clues, but a clue will point you toward the treasure chest and a hint will just help you with the clues, if you can understand that.”~Forrest Fenn Mr. Fenn's statement is contrary to your theory. I really like the theory, if and only if each sentence/clue points one closer to the treasure chest. |
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Post by fundamentaldesign on Dec 9, 2016 13:40:21 GMT -5
Wolf, I agree the 9 sentences possibly being the 9 clues is a concept that has been around for some time and that is why I had mentioned in my opening that is has been discussed before. My intent was to highlight these mentions by Forrest and give my interpretation of them based on that theory, something that I have not seen done before. Also by mentioning my theory that stanza's 1,5 and 6 may not contain information that gets one physically closer to the chest and providing them supporting data to that end was another way of getting people to look at that possibility. I firmly believe that one should not simply give away the answers, it is best that they come to the the conclusion on their own or they will not own it. Give a man a fish. Again I believe that if we remove all that we already know from the poem then what we are left with is what is worthy of knowing. Seannm I liked your summary to this concept. I agree right up until you felt 1,5&6 stanzas do not contain information that gets one physically closer to the chest “There are hints in my book that will help you with the clues, but a clue will point you toward the treasure chest and a hint will just help you with the clues, if you can understand that.”~Forrest Fenn Mr. Fenn's statement is contrary to your theory. I really like the theory, if and only if each sentence/clue points one closer to the treasure chest. I like Wolf's thinking here...f never said there's no hints in stanza 1 that would help with the starting clues in stanza 2. In fact, he uses the word 'hint' in stanza 1. |
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Post by fundamentaldesign on Dec 9, 2016 15:14:23 GMT -5
I like Wolf's thinking here...f never said there's no hints in stanza 1 that would help with the starting clues in stanza 2. In fact, he uses the word 'hint' in stanza 1. Fundy, Like I mentioned to Wolf, it is semantics we may just be on adjoining pages, so to say. Here is what I propose to you; provide us with evidence that stanza one gives us the secret where, using nothing more than the resources Forrest has recommended, that clearly point to a specific geographical area found within the four states. If you can do this, you will have my full support. And I pose this challenge to anyone, please disprove this theory, so we all can move forward, but until that comes to pass I will hold strongly to it. Be warned however, I do have a very specific geographical location that was gleamed from nothing more than the words found within the poem, so that answer better be good. Seannm It's funny how you spin things. Once again I don't know what you mean sometimes, "by evidence that stanza one gives us the secret where"...what kind of evidence suffices? You need to be more specific on that and also about using nothing more than the resources Forrest has recommended. What resources? I also have a very specific geographical location that was gleaned from nothing more than the words found within the poem so I'm not worried. But I don't understand what you mean...are you saying a very specific geographical location that you are using as the starting point of your quest? |
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Post by fundamentaldesign on Dec 9, 2016 15:32:35 GMT -5
Also, I don't think it's playing semantics to f when it comes to him using the words 'clue' and 'hint'. His use of the word hint in the first stanza would mirror his explanation of how to use the subtle hints in TTOTC.
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Post by The Wolf on Dec 9, 2016 17:07:30 GMT -5
I liked your summary to this concept. I agree right up until you felt 1,5&6 stanzas do not contain information that gets one physically closer to the chest “There are hints in my book that will help you with the clues, but a clue will point you toward the treasure chest and a hint will just help you with the clues, if you can understand that.”~Forrest Fenn Mr. Fenn's statement is contrary to your theory. I really like the theory, if and only if each sentence/clue points one closer to the treasure chest. Wolf, Let's look at the following Q & A: Forrest, What’s the minimum number of clues that we need to solve to find the treasure, assuming that we follow the clues in order? `Serge Teteblanche
Just one Serge, the last one.f
So, let us assume that the last clue or piece of information that we need to solve in order to find the treasure is "If you've been wise and found the blaze, look quickly down your quest to cease, but tarry scant with marvel gaze, just take the chest and go in peace." then in fact it may be the minimum clue that we need to solve, because we have become wise to the identity of and meaning of the information in the poem that has led one to the end. Yes this seems counter intuitive to the theory of 9 sentences = 9 clues, but plausible to which stanza's contain the vital information. Seannm seannm, The cool part of 9 sentence = 9 clues is isolating clue #1 (which is also very important and possibly linked to clue 9 according to FF). He also said, “You need to start at the beginning. You need to figure out where warm waters halt.” and “You’ll never find it that way. You need to start at the beginning. You need to figure out where warm waters halt.” Most assume he is referring to the same thing, but note those are two different sentences and according to this thread theory those are two different clues. Thus clue 1 would have to be stanza 1 by definition, making clue 2 WWWH .... By definition we can't make "If you've been wise and found the blaze, look quickly down your quest to cease, but tarry scant with marvel gaze, just take the chest and go in peace," the last clue. Now if one wants to make assumptions of stanza 1 has no clue only hints and "If you've been wise and found the blaze, look quickly down your quest to cease, but tarry scant with marvel gaze, just take the chest and go in peace," is the last clue, then we have to name it another theory, like, "9 clues are in the poem - somewhere." Just trying to keep this logical and consistent. |
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Post by mindy on Dec 9, 2016 19:04:47 GMT -5
I actually like the way you say that, poetic. I think it needs a tweak. "The 'winner' is a unique free thinker who will reject popular opinion for an opposing view that is conceived from Forrest's mind - the only logical solution. They may not know that they have this ability or they may know that they do but have not learned to use it. In the end they discover that this gift is part of who they are and who Fenn is." Well it is a good first draft, lets keep working on it until it is print ready. "The 'winner' is a unique free thinker who will reject popular opinion for an opposing view that is conceived from Forrest's mind - the only logical solution. They may not know that they have this ability or they may know that they do but have not learned to use it. In the end they discover that this gift is part of who they are and who Fenn is." And as full realization dawns on them, and they see the similarities in thinking, and are then able to shape them into something meaningful, the end will be certainly drawing nigh...The person shall submit to being molded and melded but never welded for having obtained their temperament they would surly break if put in that predicament, having the ability to adapt and flow, to stoop low to gain the steepest peak yet evasive enough with barely a pulse they secret at least a man lease. They, like the terrain they cross, will bend, but never break. Well it is a good first draft, lets keep working on it until it is print ready. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 19:54:46 GMT -5
9 clues, 9 sentences, and the longest word has 9 letters.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 10:20:04 GMT -5
Dec 9, 2016 17:04:47 GMT -7 mindy said:
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Dec 9, 2016 7:45:15 GMT -7 jl said:
My contribution in bold:
"The 'winner' is a unique free thinker who will reject popular opinion for an opposing view that is conceived from Forrest's mind - the only logical solution. They may not know that they have this ability or they may know that they do but have not learned to use it. In the end they discover that this gift is part of who they are and who Fenn is." And as full realization dawns on them, and they see the similarities in thinking, and are then able to shape them into something meaningful, the end will be certainly drawing nigh...
The person shall submit to being molded and melded but never welded for having obtained their temperament they would surly break if put in that predicament, having the ability to adapt and flow, to stoop low to gain the steepest peak yet evasive enough with barely a pulse they secret at least a man's lease. They, like the terrain they cross, will bend, but never break. As all that came before them it's what you give, not what you take.
Well it is a good first draft, lets keep working on it until it is print ready.
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Post by The Wolf on Dec 10, 2016 10:52:12 GMT -5
My thought is that each sentence is a clue, but only after each is correctly deciphered, will it be determined whether or not they provide information that gets a searcher physically closer. Seannm This statement I agree with, I would even take it literally, such that if one is to find the treasure using 9clues=9 sentences, then those last sentences will definitely take one to precisely to the treasure. Hard to imagine and see, but it is the only way this theory works. IMO. |
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Post by The Wolf on Dec 10, 2016 13:24:05 GMT -5
Wolf, I agree the 9 sentences possibly being the 9 clues is a concept that has been around for some time and that is why I had mentioned in my opening that is has been discussed before. My intent was to highlight these mentions by Forrest and give my interpretation of them based on that theory, something that I have not seen done before. Also by mentioning my theory that stanza's 1,5 and 6 may not contain information that gets one physically closer to the chest and providing them supporting data to that end was another way of getting people to look at that possibility. I firmly believe that one should not simply give away the answers, it is best that they come to the the conclusion on their own or they will not own it. Give a man a fish. Again I believe that if we remove all that we already know from the poem then what we are left with is what is worthy of knowing. Seannm I liked your summary to this concept. I agree right up until you felt 1,5&6 stanzas do not contain information that gets one physically closer to the chest “There are hints in my book that will help you with the clues, but a clue will point you toward the treasure chest and a hint will just help you with the clues, if you can understand that.”~Forrest Fenn Mr. Fenn's statement is contrary to your theory. I really like the theory, if and only if each sentence/clue points one closer to the treasure chest. I will add another quote that I think emphasizes what a clue is: “There are hints in my book that will help you with the clues, but a clue will point you toward the treasure chest and a hint will just help you with the clues, if you can understand that.”- Forrest |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 10:29:00 GMT -5
All, Here is one way to consider the 9 sentence = 9 clues theory. While the sentences in the poem are consecutive and contiguous their deciphered answers may not be, i.e. the answer to "in the wood" may be the answer to where, or "worth the cold" answer may be in regards to time of year etc etc. So again while the 9 sentences in the poem are in order their answers once correctly deciphered, a wise person will then understand their true meaning and order. Forrest then when is discussing the number of clues solved may in fact not be talking about the number clue as in its sequence found in the poem, but the sequence of the clues properly solved. I feel like I'm talking in circles. Seannm I am having a hard time following along with this statement seannm, are you saying that it is possible that there is time restraints in the poem and that it can only be retrieved when its cold such as in the winter? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 14:14:44 GMT -5
Thats nice lucky for you the ginger bread man is civilized and doesn't consider fox on his menu.
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Post by The Wolf on Dec 19, 2016 23:27:17 GMT -5
lummifilm.com/blog/CBC2013.mp3Everyone, I really like the 9 clues 9 sentences system. I wrote a checklist of Fenn Facts and I run it against solutions to test their logical validity. Goto 4:20 in this CBC Fenn interview where FF is read the second stanza by the interviewer. She says that sounds like 2 clues and he replies "It sounds like 3 or 4 to me." I have though about this for some time but I just don't buy into the "sounds like argument" as not confirming 3 or 4 clues in stanza 3. The interviewer was not leading Fenn with the question, he corrected her. The next stanza she leads him with suggesting two clues and he confirms her suspicion. Both of these Fenn statements invalidate the 9 clues 9 sentences., because there are 2 sentences in stanza 2 and 1 in stanza 3. Anyone care to refute this with some facts?
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Post by The Wolf on Dec 20, 2016 11:37:50 GMT -5
You know Seann, I have been aware of that interview for a while now and I had ruled out 9 sentences and 9 clues based on it and it seemed quite revealing as to what the clues could be. But I actually have the best solution I have ever came up with that actually uses 9 clues and 9 sentences. It could have brought me out of retirement to verify it, but that one little FF statement has nullified it. The solution is dead, but man it is awesome; it explained good map - and how poem draws an X on the map. It was my most creative and imaginative work to date. This baby would definitely verify FF as an architect and put him on the map as a master treasure hunt designer.
Oh well, I shall remain retired, but it would make an excellent final chapter for my book, but I am just to busy/lazy to word it appropriately.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 11:50:19 GMT -5
OK, we now have Forrest mentioning that some (more than one) may have solved the first four clues (but more than three), but he is not certain. Lets examine what the first four sentences/clues are: As I have gone alone in there, and with my treasures bold, I can keep my secret where, and hint of riches new and old. Begin it where warm waters halt, and take it in the canyon down, not far, but too far to walk. Put in below the home of Brown. From there it's no place for the meek, the end is ever drawing nigh; there'll be no paddle up your creek, just heavy loads and water high.
Now we have some who have figured out the first three clues thus making the change in direction from the canyon down (at the put in in below the home of Brown) and have headed into the area that is no place for the meek, but Forrest is not certain that they have completely figured out clue number four Seannm aka LitterateOne I enjoy how analytical you are seannm, but it is my understanding that clue 4 does not yet get you to HOB. This is why I believe he is not for certain about the four clues solved. I believe there is a determining factor with clue four that can only be satisfied by clue 5. But of course that is all just opinion until the Chase is over. Good luck. |
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