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Post by The Wolf on Dec 20, 2016 11:55:04 GMT -5
OK, we now have Forrest mentioning that some (more than one) may have solved the first four clues (but more than three), but he is not certain. Lets examine what the first four sentences/clues are: As I have gone alone in there, and with my treasures bold, I can keep my secret where, and hint of riches new and old. Begin it where warm waters halt, and take it in the canyon down, not far, but too far to walk. Put in below the home of Brown. From there it's no place for the meek, the end is ever drawing nigh; there'll be no paddle up your creek, just heavy loads and water high.
Now we have some who have figured out the first three clues thus making the change in direction from the canyon down (at the put in in below the home of Brown) and have headed into the area that is no place for the meek, but Forrest is not certain that they have completely figured out clue number four Seannm aka LitterateOne I enjoy how analytical you are seannm, but it is my understanding that clue 4 does not yet get you to HOB. This is why I believe he is not for certain about the four clues solved. I believe there is a determining factor with clue four that can only be satisfied by clue 5. But of course that is all just opinion until the Chase is over. Good luck. Since this is the 9 clues = 9 sentences thread, hoB has to be clue 3. How does your comment relate to this theory? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 13:48:54 GMT -5
I enjoy how analytical you are seannm, but it is my understanding that clue 4 does not yet get you to HOB. This is why I believe he is not for certain about the four clues solved. I believe there is a determining factor with clue four that can only be satisfied by clue 5. But of course that is all just opinion until the Chase is over. Good luck. Since this is the 9 clues = 9 sentences thread, hoB has to be clue 3. How does your comment relate to this theory? Actually, the thread topic is asking about the possibility of 9 clues/9 sentence theory. And since it is asking about a theory (see topic title), my comment offers (as of now theoretical) evidence against it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 15:42:35 GMT -5
Actually, the thread topic is asking about the possibility of 9 clues/9 sentence theory. And since it is asking about a theory (see topic title), my comment offers (as of now theoretical) evidence against it. ironwill, Good to see you over here! Seannm Thanks Seannm, love that fox icon, wouldn't mind one as a pet  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 17:28:07 GMT -5
It's ok Seannm, I understand exactly what your post was trying to point out. My mind went through that scenario within the first month of my involvement of the Chase. I must've come up with over one hundred to two hundred solutions since starting this journey. I even did Wolf's method long ago, that involved using the clues to form an X, but after a few days I realized that would never work with the structure of the poem. And like Wolf, I also thought that was a brilliant method and wanted it to be the "trick" of solving it as well. It wasn't until my stubborn side decided to give up on my West Yellowstone solve, of which I posted on HOD, that I feel I finally broke the poem. I have to say "opinion" to satisfy the politically correct people of the Chase, even though I know I'm 1,000% right this time. I confirmed the solve location with two scrapbooks on HOD (one of which will show you, step-by-step, it's location if you have part of the poem solved). I have also found "X marks the spot". My reply to you earlier was based off that. And even though we might disagree, you have a good mind for analyzing. I hope your holidays are incredible  ) Will |
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Post by jda on Dec 21, 2016 20:45:00 GMT -5
This is quite the little paradox you have created. We also know he said, "So I wrote a poem containing nine clues that if followed precisely, will lead to the end of my rainbow and the treasure:" Your example says 9 sentences = 9 clues, yet there are 4 more clues (sentences) in stanza 5 and 6 that now doesn't get us any closer to the chest. Where is the precise in this proposal? Clue #6 = So why is it that I must go and leave my trove for all to seek. Most interpret these two lines as Forrest asking the question, "So why is it that I must go and leave my trove for all to seek?" ###Nothing here - take it at face value ### Might there be more? Clue #5, you find the blaze, you look somewhere (NOT at your feet) and you spend a bit of time looking at a blackish colored "Marker stone", and you take "A" chest (He says "THE" chest, but use your imagination, and take "A" chest to a peaceful spot. "So why is it that I must go And LEAVE my trove for all to seek?" - So why must the searcher go to a place with lots of leaves to seek the treasure? Imagination! "The answers I (Forrest) already knows, I've (Forrest has) done it tired. What has Forrest done? He HID the treasure... He hid it tired?  doesn't make sense. OH yes it does, with a bit of imagination. I have already divulged too much. Suffice it to say that I feel that Stanza #6 has as many directional clues as I have indicated that there are in Stanza #5. All just conjecture, until someone (I hope me) finds the treasure. JDA |
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Post by The Wolf on Dec 22, 2016 7:45:46 GMT -5
Drifter your reaction is normal and I think pretty much everyone who begins the chase, feels like you about where the clues are. It is the nature of a treasure hunt that makes it possibly to have 9 clues and 9 sentence. I mean if it were true, what would you say? That would meat a few requirements, "you will be surprised" and the clues are contiguous. Nothing more contiguous that the sentences.
Anyway it is the fact that no one sees directions in the last 2 stanzas is why I think it is the perfect method. The only problem is he has negated this theory with his stanza 2 is 3 or 4 clues.
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Post by jda on Dec 22, 2016 8:47:55 GMT -5
Drifter your reaction is normal and I think pretty much everyone who begins the chase, feels like you about where the clues are. It is the nature of a treasure hunt that makes it possibly to have 9 clues and 9 sentence. I mean if it were true, what would you say? That would meat a few requirements, "you will be surprised" and the clues are contiguous. Nothing more contiguous that the sentences. Anyway it is the fact that no one sees directions in the last 2 stanzas is why I think it is the perfect method. The only problem is he has negated this theory with his stanza 2 is 3 or 4 clues. Wolf - You just said that, " no one sees dirrctions in the last two stanzas..." Please look at my post above. I think that I gave a fairly clear description of how I see directions in stanza #5, and hint at how I see directions in stanza #6. JDA |
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Post by The Wolf on Dec 22, 2016 8:56:44 GMT -5
lummifilm.com/blog/CBC2013.mp3Everyone, I really like the 9 clues 9 sentences system. I wrote a checklist of Fenn Facts and I run it against solutions to test their logical validity. Goto 4:20 in this CBC Fenn interview where FF is read the second stanza by the interviewer. She says that sounds like 2 clues and he replies "It sounds like 3 or 4 to me." I have though about this for some time but I just don't buy into the "sounds like argument" as not confirming 3 or 4 clues in stanza 3. The interviewer was not leading Fenn with the question, he corrected her. The next stanza she leads him with suggesting two clues and he confirms her suspicion. Both of these Fenn statements invalidate the 9 clues 9 sentences., because there are 2 sentences in stanza 2 and 1 in stanza 3. Anyone care to refute this with some facts? So I was thinking about this again and we all know Mr. Fenn is pretty secretive about revealing things, yet why would he confirm 3 or 4 clues? Maybe he didn't. We know he is very purposefully vague about what is clue 1. Yet he tells us, “You need to start at the beginning. You need to figure out where warm waters halt.” Here is the problem: He sets us up with those two sentences as if they were the same thing. I have argued before that they are the same, but now I am not so sure. Whys is he so vague, but yet leads us to believe it is simple -> wwwh= clue 1? But wait this is a treasure hunt, things are supposed to be deceiving, that is how they work. Otherwise just say it, he pretty much has been all along, unless this is Forrest's sleight of hand at play. I have uncovered many, many examples of how he is using sleight of hand, but this one has me stumped, but now there is one possibility: What if, when the interview reads stanza 2 and says, "that seems like a couple of clues to me" and he replies, "sounds like 3 or 4 to me." What if he wasn't talking about the number of clues in the stanza, but physical clue number or contiguous out from the beginning. In the 9 sentence = 9 clues theory, stanza 2 would contain clues 2 and 3. IF he says "sounds like 3 or 4," then he is still correct in saying that she named some clues and he is vaguely telling us there could be 3 or 4 clues or it could be clue number 3 or clue 4 in stanza 2. I know, I always felt it was the former, but then I realized how he is playing this and now the latter seems more plausible. |
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Post by The Wolf on Dec 22, 2016 9:28:10 GMT -5
Drifter your reaction is normal and I think pretty much everyone who begins the chase, feels like you about where the clues are. It is the nature of a treasure hunt that makes it possibly to have 9 clues and 9 sentence. I mean if it were true, what would you say? That would meat a few requirements, "you will be surprised" and the clues are contiguous. Nothing more contiguous that the sentences. Anyway it is the fact that no one sees directions in the last 2 stanzas is why I think it is the perfect method. The only problem is he has negated this theory with his stanza 2 is 3 or 4 clues. Wolf - You just said that, " no one sees dirrctions in the last two stanzas..." Please look at my post above. I think that I gave a fairly clear description of how I see directions in stanza #5, and hint at how I see directions in stanza #6. JDA Ok JD everyone but you, me and seann (and who ever else complains about my exagerated statement). So I read your statement, and you are thinking about it and that is very good. There are many ways that could be understood as directions. You interpret leave as leaves. I have considered that as well but in a different context. Look at his latest SB, he says, "breaking limbs and leafs galore" This is the second time in a SB he used leaf/leaves inappropriately. This one is very good as it isn't picked up by spell checkers. So he is bringing our attention to leaves. So why is it a place with leaves and not a clever hint like the "Maple Leafs" hockey team? I am not suggest that is the answer, but just an example. The maple leaf, is Canada's symbol and it is prominently placed on our national flag. Lots of aberrations around 49 (parallel) and hints of Canada (cold), etc. If one were to think like that - they will soon see directions. Have you ever wondered why stanza 5 and 6 start with the word "So?" In my solving book, every word means something especially if it is suspiciously placed. JD, have you ever noticed the hints to "waves?" I wrote a sine wave theory once that discusses it - there is a lot there. For instance, consider the riddle that also uses the poem's word "tire": I wave all day but never tire, at the end of the day I retire. What am I? A Flag is the answer. Home of the brave is also a US flag reference. Word that is key = Francis Scott Key wrote the lyrics to your anthem I believe. so we have leaf, brave, tire, home, and Key all linked to the poem in two neighbouring flags. Throw in "peace" as in peace garden and you have a border. "live out on the edges" Lots to think about... |
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Post by jda on Dec 22, 2016 9:29:10 GMT -5
lummifilm.com/blog/CBC2013.mp3Everyone, I really like the 9 clues 9 sentences system. I wrote a checklist of Fenn Facts and I run it against solutions to test their logical validity. Goto 4:20 in this CBC Fenn interview where FF is read the second stanza by the interviewer. She says that sounds like 2 clues and he replies "It sounds like 3 or 4 to me." I have though about this for some time but I just don't buy into the "sounds like argument" as not confirming 3 or 4 clues in stanza 3. The interviewer was not leading Fenn with the question, he corrected her. The next stanza she leads him with suggesting two clues and he confirms her suspicion. Both of these Fenn statements invalidate the 9 clues 9 sentences., because there are 2 sentences in stanza 2 and 1 in stanza 3. Anyone care to refute this with some facts? So I was thinking about this again and we all know Mr. Fenn is pretty secretive about revealing things, yet why would he confirm 3 or 4 clues? Maybe he didn't. We know he is very purposefully vague about what is clue 1. Yet he tells us, “You need to start at the beginning. You need to figure out where warm waters halt.” Here is the problem: He sets us up with those two sentences as if they were the same thing. I have argued before that they are the same, but now I am not so sure. Whys is he so vague, but yet leads us to believe it is simple -> wwwh= clue 1? But wait this is a treasure hunt, things are supposed to be deceiving, that is how they work. Otherwise just say it, he pretty much has been all along, unless this is Forrest's sleight of hand at play. I have uncovered many, many examples of how he is using sleight of hand, but this one has me stumped, but now there is one possibility: What if, when the interview reads stanza 2 and says, "that seems like a couple of clues to me" and he replies, "sounds like 3 or 4 to me." What if he wasn't talking about the number of clues in the stanza, but physical clue number or contiguous out from the beginning. In the 9 sentence = 9 clues theory, stanza 2 would contain clues 2 and 3. IF he says "sounds like 3 or 4," then he is still correct in saying that she named some clues and he is vaguely telling us there could be 3 or 4 clues or it could be clue number 3 or clue 4 in stanza 2. I know, I always felt it was the former, but then I realized how he is playing this and now the latter seems more plausible. Wolf; For me, "Sounds like" = the key. What if he is saying, "It MAY sound like 3 or 4, but in reality it is only one." Isn't that possible? I think so. JDA |
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Post by jda on Dec 22, 2016 10:41:46 GMT -5
Wolf;
Not only the "leafs" and broken limbs, but there is a "Life saving hoist" - reference to his old carcass and
"his parachute still hanging in that tree". LOTS of "Food for thought" - JDA
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Post by The Wolf on Dec 22, 2016 10:51:52 GMT -5
Wolf; Not only the "leafs" and broken limbs, but there is a "Life saving hoist" - reference to his old carcass and "his parachute still hanging in that tree". LOTS of "Food for thought" - JDA JD, I agree, but that is a totally different topic/angle than my previous post. I have been waiting for this one. It is the last aberational frontier. |
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Post by wiseone on Dec 22, 2016 13:23:08 GMT -5
@the Wolf and JDA, I thought I'd mention a couple of my thoughts about the nine clues/nine sentences topic... I know the W's have been brought up before but I thought about the literal aspect of writers and how they “write and punctuate”... Forrest once talked about using a colon and placing it oddly in one of his books to see if anyone noticed it's placement... So that illustrates he does think about these things and does use punctuation the way he chooses... It's fun for him. So I ask, “What better way to end a sentence than using a “period/question mark to mean SOMETHING OTHER than just the ending of a sentence? We know we can't discount the fact that there ARE nine clues and nine sentences in the poem... Also, Forrest has said when talking about the number of clues, “I put one foot down and stepped on it.” That to me could very well mean he was using punctuation, periods and or a question mark to separate the clues in the poem. That's how I see it anyway. And about WWWH... He has told us, “You need to start at the beginning. You need to figure out where warm waters halt.” How about we go back to school and think about utilizing the five W's? Who, What, When, Where, Why? And maybe we should also include the “H” for How... Hello?  If utilizing this method, we have two missing W's. What these two W's are, could be dependent upon how you choose to list the W's, but maybe they're the “Where and Why”... Isn't this what we're all really trying to figure out? Where the treasure is and Why he did this? So I say, ask yourself these W questions and try to formulate a theory as to what the Big Picture could possibly be... And don't forget imagination. I'm not sure if any of this will help anyone, but just an idea thrown out there. Merry Christmas, Everyone. |
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Post by jdiggins on Dec 22, 2016 13:52:19 GMT -5
Merry Christmas, wise one!
And indeed, words of wisdom.
He said, per your quote above,
"...you need to figure out where warm waters halt."
In language, and U.S.A. being the melting pot, even when punctuation (let's not even bother to say proper)is not used, many will put emphasis in different areas of this one excerpt alone.
...figure out
where warm waters halt,
OR
...figure out where
warm waters halt,
Etc...
The former could indicate a what, or even a who, while the latter speaks of where.
Does that make any sense? ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 14:09:32 GMT -5
warm waters are not just halting, they are also taking it in the canyon down.
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doesn't make sense. OH yes it does, with a bit of imagination.
If utilizing this method, we have two missing W's. What these two W's are, could be dependent upon how you choose to list the W's, but maybe they're the “Where and Why”... Isn't this what we're all really trying to figure out? Where the treasure is and Why he did this? So I say, ask yourself these W questions and try to formulate a theory as to what the Big Picture could possibly be... And don't forget imagination. I'm not sure if any of this will help anyone, but just an idea thrown out there.