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Post by wiseone on Dec 22, 2016 14:22:17 GMT -5
Hey jdiggins... I'm not sure my words should be considered as "wisdom," but thanks for the compliment anyway.
I think "understanding" forrest's words/meanings are the most important part... And the most difficult.
But formulating a viable theory first is what I believe will bind all the other clues together making it all cohesive and make sense.
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Post by wiseone on Dec 22, 2016 14:32:16 GMT -5
This is true. I do have one canyon in mind. Who knows though if it's the right one...
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Post by wiseone on Dec 22, 2016 14:58:10 GMT -5
Rolltide, The "where" has always been the biggest problem for me. Is your 5W1H thread over on CC? I probably should review it again. Maybe I can find a morsel or two to be of some help. Maybe I can figure out what I'm actually making... A pie or a cake. LOL.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 10:29:57 GMT -5
Drifter your reaction is normal and I think pretty much everyone who begins the chase, feels like you about where the clues are. It is the nature of a treasure hunt that makes it possibly to have 9 clues and 9 sentence. I mean if it were true, what would you say? That would meat a few requirements, "you will be surprised" and the clues are contiguous. Nothing more contiguous that the sentences. Anyway it is the fact that no one sees directions in the last 2 stanzas is why I think it is the perfect method. The only problem is he has negated this theory with his stanza 2 is 3 or 4 clues. Hey there Wolf ... First, I am not a beginner.  Second, you state: JDA has indicated he sees a direction or two in those last 2 stanzas. I do, as well, though jda and I are probably light years apart in seeing the same directions. The vagueness of the poem is blatant. It is also contradictory to FF's statement that immediately precedes the poem, on page 132: "... nine clues that if followed precisely, will lead to ... the treasure." How does one translate "vagueness" into "precision" ... as in >>> drive 1/4 mile, turn left, drive to the stop sign, turn right, proceed to the big neon sign just before the railroad tracks; the candy store will be on your left. There are a limited number of ways to overcome the vagueness, to arrive at precision, but no one seems to want to talk about this contradiction. Precision has a very specific, exact connotation. Drifter Nobody wants to talk about it? I've laid out many ways that he can be precise and how he could have done this. What is your specific theory on what it means, I like to hear what others think, but they need to explain it or why bother? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 12:23:38 GMT -5
By definition, precise can get you to the location but not be accurate www.oasisalignment.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/precision-vs-accuracy.jpg. Adding the letters ly to precise makes it an adverb, therefore describing the word followed. Who are we following? That would be AS I, who is AS I, no one knows, right? "... nine clues that if followed precisely, will lead to ... the treasure." this statement doesn't say you need to understand the poem only follow the clues. So if we follow the clues precisely somewhere along the way it has to mimic AS I to obtain accuracy, how to get accuracy from something so vague is the bigger picture. Now I have bothered to explain my theory, tear it apart and put it back together giving me accuracy and precise as the final answer. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 12:29:10 GMT -5
By definition, precise can get you to the location but not be accurate www.oasisalignment.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/precision-vs-accuracy.jpg. Adding the letters ly to precise makes it an adverb, therefore describing the word followed. Who are we following? That would be AS I, who is AS I, no one knows, right? "... nine clues that if followed precisely, will lead to ... the treasure." this statement doesn't say you need to understand the poem only follow the clues. So if we follow the clues precisely somewhere along the way it has to mimic AS I to obtain accuracy, how to get accuracy from something so vague is the bigger picture. Now I have bothered to explain my theory, tear it apart and put it back together giving me accuracy and precise as the final answer. |
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Post by goldwatch on Dec 28, 2016 12:35:54 GMT -5
Drifter your reaction is normal and I think pretty much everyone who begins the chase, feels like you about where the clues are. It is the nature of a treasure hunt that makes it possibly to have 9 clues and 9 sentence. I mean if it were true, what would you say? That would meat a few requirements, "you will be surprised" and the clues are contiguous. Nothing more contiguous that the sentences. Anyway it is the fact that no one sees directions in the last 2 stanzas is why I think it is the perfect method. The only problem is he has negated this theory with his stanza 2 is 3 or 4 clues. Hey there Wolf ... First, I am not a beginner. Second, you state: JDA has indicated he sees a direction or two in those last 2 stanzas. I do, as well, though jda and I are probably light years apart in seeing the same directions. The vagueness of the poem is blatant. It is also contradictory to FF's statement that immediately precedes the poem, on page 132: "... nine clues that if followed precisely, will lead to ... the treasure." How does one translate "vagueness" into "precision" ... as in >>> drive 1/4 mile, turn left, drive to the stop sign, turn right, proceed to the big neon sign just before the railroad tracks; the candy store will be on your left. There are a limited number of ways to overcome the vagueness, to arrive at precision, but no one seems to want to talk about this contradiction. Precision has a very specific, exact connotation. Drifter Drifter, I don't see a contradiction. I think the poem does solve like your example of translating "vagueness" into "precision". That doesn't tell us whether the 9 sentences theory is right or wrong though. The vagueness is how it's hidden, and the finder will be the one who works their way through it to get to the right precision. I agree with many others that the solve is possible with only the poem, but will become much more "confident" if a person can find and apply all the hints from outside the 9 clues (including those "hints" in the poem). The question then is, are "hints" in the poem being taken as "clues" that lead precisely to the solve? That can throw a person off, I think. |
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Post by goldwatch on Dec 28, 2016 12:40:08 GMT -5
By definition, precise can get you to the location but not be accurate www.oasisalignment.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/precision-vs-accuracy.jpg. Adding the letters ly to precise makes it an adverb, therefore describing the word followed. Who are we following? That would be AS I, who is AS I, no one knows, right? "... nine clues that if followed precisely, will lead to ... the treasure." this statement doesn't say you need to understand the poem only follow the clues. So if we follow the clues precisely somewhere along the way it has to mimic AS I to obtain accuracy, how to get accuracy from something so vague is the bigger picture. Now I have bothered to explain my theory, tear it apart and put it back together giving me accuracy and precise as the final answer. JL, I think accuracy comes from solving the string of the 9 clues. We might be able to solve the first four, for example, but go no farther. That would mean (assuming we are correct that we CAN'T go any farther) that we have the wrong solve, despite fitting the first four clues together. And that's why it's difficult. |
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Post by fundamentaldesign on Dec 28, 2016 12:56:28 GMT -5
@the Wolf and JDA, I thought I'd mention a couple of my thoughts about the nine clues/nine sentences topic... I know the W's have been brought up before but I thought about the literal aspect of writers and how they “write and punctuate”... Forrest once talked about using a colon and placing it oddly in one of his books to see if anyone noticed it's placement... So that illustrates he does think about these things and does use punctuation the way he chooses... It's fun for him. So I ask, “What better way to end a sentence than using a “period/question mark to mean SOMETHING OTHER than just the ending of a sentence? We know we can't discount the fact that there ARE nine clues and nine sentences in the poem... Also, Forrest has said when talking about the number of clues, “I put one foot down and stepped on it.” That to me could very well mean he was using punctuation, periods and or a question mark to separate the clues in the poem. That's how I see it anyway. And about WWWH... He has told us, “You need to start at the beginning. You need to figure out where warm waters halt.” How about we go back to school and think about utilizing the five W's? Who, What, When, Where, Why? And maybe we should also include the “H” for How... Hello?  If utilizing this method, we have two missing W's. What these two W's are, could be dependent upon how you choose to list the W's, but maybe they're the “Where and Why”... Isn't this what we're all really trying to figure out? Where the treasure is and Why he did this? So I say, ask yourself these W questions and try to formulate a theory as to what the Big Picture could possibly be... And don't forget imagination. I'm not sure if any of this will help anyone, but just an idea thrown out there. Merry Christmas, Everyone. Wiseone, Great thoughts. I have previously mused, on one of these darn forums, that stanza's 1,5 & 6 contained the Who, what and why, and nothing more than what we already knew thus leaving the remaining 3 providing us the where and the clues leading to the end. Now thanks to Wolf's and Fundy's persistence against that idea and the discussion in this thread I have come to new conclusions, that which even more entrenches my belief in the 9 sentences = 9 clues theory. The discussion really is a mute one, I mean who really cares if the 9 sentences really are what Forrest considers 9 clues, what matters in the end is: can one decipher the poems meaning and arrive at the chest. However, with that said it is still a good a tool to gauge our collective position based on information provided by Forrest when he speaks of number of clues solved, it sort of gives us a reference point, if you know what I mean. Seannm Glad to be of assistance. |
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Post by fundamentaldesign on Dec 28, 2016 14:14:39 GMT -5
By definition, precise can get you to the location but not be accurate www.oasisalignment.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/precision-vs-accuracy.jpg. Adding the letters ly to precise makes it an adverb, therefore describing the word followed. Who are we following? That would be AS I, who is AS I, no one knows, right? "... nine clues that if followed precisely, will lead to ... the treasure." this statement doesn't say you need to understand the poem only follow the clues. So if we follow the clues precisely somewhere along the way it has to mimic AS I to obtain accuracy, how to get accuracy from something so vague is the bigger picture. Now I have bothered to explain my theory, tear it apart and put it back together giving me accuracy and precise as the final answer. Awesome write up, jl. I think this is the crux of the puzzle. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 14:19:29 GMT -5
Clues = instructions 1)Begin it 2)Take it 3)Put in 4)Look quickly down 5)Tarry scant 6)Take the chest 7)Go in peace 8)Hear me all 9)Listen good Those are the only instructions found in the poem. And there are nine of them. Everything before, in between, and after those instructions tells you how, and where, to apply those instructions. You are searching for a treasure, and you have been given instructions on how to find it. My two cents and nothing more... You are very wise Roll, I think people are too hung up on what a clue is when they do not even understand how to interpret the poem. IMO: 1. The poem begins with a riddle in stanza one. 2. Once you solve that riddle you then use the solution to begin following the instructions. If an instruction tells you to move, MOVE but be damn sure you have paid attention to everything at that location first! Do NOT assume that the clues in the poem do not expect you to absorb knowledge learned along the way! He constructed the poem like an architect makes a blueprint. If you don't solve the riddle and apply the correct instructions, you will not have title to anything except "vacation". I believe Forrest wants us to think like an archaeologist would. He wants you to gain knowledge each step of the way so that you know what, where and when to look for it. An archaeologist doesn't just run out to some random location and dig. He wants us to experience what he experienced while he gathered the stuff that is in the chest! If a clue leads you to a carving or map, study it!!!! Take pictures... Narrate into your phone.. The following clue may depend on you having done that. If you need to roam alongside a stream flipping logs and rocks, give up because you clearly are not "walking with confidence". Also, please dear god, do not wander in the woods and claim a fallen tree is a blaze or gun turret pointing to the chest, there are millions of fallen dead trees! PS: Everyone knows where all the clues exist, we can ALL claim one thing as a fact: The clues exist in the poem, 100% sure. The key is finding out the solutions to locate them in the real world, they might not map 1:1 without applying them to the "rght map". The right map might be the poem itself, if that doesn't make sense turn on your imagination and it will, else you are forever doomed to looking for hoB. LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 14:23:27 GMT -5
By definition, precise can get you to the location but not be accurate www.oasisalignment.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/precision-vs-accuracy.jpg. Adding the letters ly to precise makes it an adverb, therefore describing the word followed. Who are we following? That would be AS I, who is AS I, no one knows, right? "... nine clues that if followed precisely, will lead to ... the treasure." this statement doesn't say you need to understand the poem only follow the clues. So if we follow the clues precisely somewhere along the way it has to mimic AS I to obtain accuracy, how to get accuracy from something so vague is the bigger picture. Now I have bothered to explain my theory, tear it apart and put it back together giving me accuracy and precise as the final answer. Great point JL. Also remember that he said you will go to the chest with confidence! Walking along a stream flipping over dead trees and fallen rocks is not walking with confidence, neither is ending up in a 100 acre field  To me, "walk with confidence" means you know where to go and what to expect when you get there. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 11:46:28 GMT -5
Begin it where warm waters halt, and take it in the canyon down,Seannm aka LitterateOne BTW, just want to point out one thing I did not notice when I first read this. There is no comma before "and", we are not supposed to go down any canyon, the warm waters does. Why? Because that is what the grammar means without the comma. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 15:16:31 GMT -5
You forgot the important one! Oops, can't pick and choose! "If you're really serious about looking for the treasure, get TTOTC and read it, and then go back and read the poem over and over and over again, and then go back and read the book again but slowly, looking an..looking at every little abstract thing that might catch up in your brain, that might be a hint to help you with the clues. Any part of some is better than no part of any." f $50 must break a lot of people  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 17:26:44 GMT -5
You forgot the important one! Oops, can't pick and choose! "If you're really serious about looking for the treasure, get TTOTC and read it, and then go back and read the poem over and over and over again, and then go back and read the book again but slowly, looking an..looking at every little abstract thing that might catch up in your brain, that might be a hint to help you with the clues. Any part of some is better than no part of any." f $50 must break a lot of people Only if you die with it in your pocket? I like how Fenn worded that, means I have a pretty good chance of not being a failure. |
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If utilizing this method, we have two missing W's. What these two W's are, could be dependent upon how you choose to list the W's, but maybe they're the “Where and Why”... Isn't this what we're all really trying to figure out? Where the treasure is and Why he did this? So I say, ask yourself these W questions and try to formulate a theory as to what the Big Picture could possibly be... And don't forget imagination. I'm not sure if any of this will help anyone, but just an idea thrown out there.
To me, "walk with confidence" means you know where to go and what to expect when you get there.