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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 15:08:09 GMT -5
Beforehand,
that certainly throws a wrench in there, doesn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 15:42:10 GMT -5
seannm, now at some point a person would have to say I am totally lost or I made a wrong turn back there and go back to the beginning or to certainty, a very arduous task but in the end if you are correct you will have gone over that ground so many times it will be like walking around in your house in the middle of a dark night with no lights on,or you just keep going over and over, round and around like a merry-go-round that you finally know the place for the first time, no map necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 16:17:38 GMT -5
seannm, you said "Only Forrest possesses the knowledge of just how far to the left or right we must adjust our front site to take down our prey." and just like after his canopy was all shot to sh** he wifferdilled up and to the right came around and turned his guns on where he thought the guns where marking them for his partner.
If only we were flying planes this would be over by now, f isn't flying the friendly skies anymore is he?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 16:21:08 GMT -5
jl, a monkeywrench ain't all bad. it causes one to focus and concentrate on finding a solution to a problem. And, "The frog that shares his nest with the dove"  Now that right there is real clever. Hopefully you aren't even in the same state as I am searching. Who says I'm searching? I'm just passing a long cold winter and thinking about all of this is more fun than trying to keep from electrocuting myself as I remodel my house. |
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Post by fundamentaldesign on Dec 8, 2016 16:35:37 GMT -5
I like your thoughts, Seannm, but the one I don't agree with is your stanza 1 interpretation and that you think the information there doesn't get us closer. I think people are fooling themselves when all they say about stanza 1 is that we already know f went in alone with the tc, kept it a secret and hints at old and new or such. Maybe the trick is who else mirrored this back in time. Fundy, At this point everything is just theories until the treasure is found. I do however believe that one can be confident in the where beforehand, but still not wise to the treasures final resting spot, hence the positioning of the blaze line in the poem. Now according to Forrest all the information we need to find the treasure is in the poem, sure the book gives us the back story and a few subtle hints, but if his statement is true then no outside historical reference or specialized knowledge is required to locate the treasure, just the words in the poem and IMO nothing in the first stanza provides me with the where. "I warned that the path would not be direct for those who had no certainty of the location beforehand, but sure for the one who did."f Seannm I think the subtle hints in TTOTC help pinpoint the correct starting point to our quest along with the first stanza. |
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Post by The Wolf on Dec 8, 2016 16:46:24 GMT -5
Good pickup FD on beforehand. This can mean a couple of other things with one being a word play. I am learning not to take FF's statements literally anymore. After all this is a treasure hunt, who talks straight in a treasure hunt?
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Post by fundamentaldesign on Dec 8, 2016 18:48:06 GMT -5
Good pickup FD on beforehand. This can mean a couple of other things with one being a word play. I am learning not to take FF's statements literally anymore. After all this is a treasure hunt, who talks straight in a treasure hunt? Exactly on not taking f's after statements literally anymore, Wolf! |
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Post by fundamentaldesign on Dec 8, 2016 22:13:32 GMT -5
I think the subtle hints in TTOTC help pinpoint the correct starting point to our quest along with the first stanza. Fundy, To me I look at it using Occam's Razor, what is more plausible that the information contained in Stanza 1 is just a recap of information that can already be found in TTOTC and the many interviews of Forrest or that it contains hidden meanings as to the starting point. I choose the course of the simplest answer is generally the most probable, but again neither of us have the chest, yet. Seannm Which is more plausible?...I'll take hidden meanings as to the starting point every day of the week. I think that's more simple than the other option you added. I also don't understand your description of f's comment on history. That's not how I read his quote. |
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Post by canyondown on Dec 8, 2016 23:16:24 GMT -5
I find the Paradigm analogy interesting! Forrest is a man of many Waters. What was his Paradigm when he went through the Cancer thing? It would seem that a person who would do something like this would formulate it from a perspective he is very comfortable with. But Forrest wears a coat of many colors...
He is a:
Pilot
Art Collector
Socialite
Fisherman
Survivor
Woodsman
Writer
Gambler
Reader of Literature
Story Teller
Archaeologist
Geographer
So at the time of writing the chase, could one assume his head was in more of the Archaeological, Geographical phase of his life...? Was he was writing the poem from this particular paradigm. It would seem to make sense. But if written over such a long time frame as stated, the clues could reflect a wide array his interests. But, the poem doesn't seem to reflect some of these traits. So can we look at the clues from where he was at that point in his life, and figure out which angle to read the poem from.... Just a thought?
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Post by The Wolf on Dec 8, 2016 23:27:57 GMT -5
seannm,
The concept of 9 clues and 9 sentences has been around for a long time but it has never held water with most searchers because they arrive at the same conclusion you have. For instance, if we have 5 clues over the first 4 stanzas, that get you into the area to the blaze or the chest. Then what difference does it make if two different techniques get you to the exact same ending point?
To me the only way 9 clue = 9 sentences makes sense, is if those last two stanzas get you closer to the treasure chest.
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Post by fundamentaldesign on Dec 8, 2016 23:32:50 GMT -5
Which is more plausible?...I'll take hidden meanings as to the starting point every day of the week. I think that's more simple than the other option you added. I also don't understand your description of f's comment on history. That's not how I read his quote. Fundy, We can agree to disagree I suppose, you can depart to your corner and I'll remain here in mine. The problem I have, is you immediatly jumped into this discussion and claimed those a fool who do not agreee with your stance that stanza one contains the secret where, and that is just being passive aggressive. Seannm Don't know what you mean... My first post I started with I like your ideas, seannm. Then I said, I don't agree with your stanza 1 perspective and I think people are fooling themselves if they think there's not something more meaty in that stanza (this is what I meant). I don't get how searchers are gonna come up with the proper wwwh out of the many possible if they don't use something out of stanza 1. It's got nothing to do with being passive agressive. You never mentioned my approach in your perspective on stanza 1. You opened the door to my response by not doing so. I obliged. But you can let us know how searchers will guess the correct wwwh without stanza 1 since it's all in the poem... |
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Post by goldwatch on Dec 9, 2016 1:24:43 GMT -5
The woodcutter is a tuff one, he doesn't look tired or weak. Did all the wood go to a paper mill as pulp wood? Did it go to make beams or ties for railroad tracks and tressels or did it go to build cabins and houses? He looks peaceful for someone who has displaced the dove and the frog, how can that be? Agree, but I have just one question, "what frog?" I've turned my concentration towards that illustration over the last couple of weeks. It's the last chapter in the book, and it talks about Forrest's father and how he molded so many lives. I think the illustration must be important in a grand conclusion sort of way. I've come to think of the tree stumps as representing lives that were molded, built into something else. Edit: Woops, I hit the wrong "quote" button and meant to reply to jl's comment inside thewolf's quote. Ahh well, it works out pretty much the same. |
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Post by fundamentaldesign on Dec 9, 2016 7:51:13 GMT -5
Agree, but I have just one question, "what frog?" I've turned my concentration towards that illustration over the last couple of weeks. It's the last chapter in the book, and it talks about Forrest's father and how he molded so many lives. I think the illustration must be important in a grand conclusion sort of way. I've come to think of the tree stumps as representing lives that were molded, built into something else. Edit: Woops, I hit the wrong "quote" button and meant to reply to jl's comment inside thewolf's quote. Ahh well, it works out pretty much the same. At one point, I thought that illustration cleverly hid the blaze but I got stumped once BOTG. Lol |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 9:18:43 GMT -5
I find the Paradigm analogy interesting! Forrest is a man of many Waters. What was his Paradigm when he went through the Cancer thing? It would seem that a person who would do something like this would formulate it from a perspective he is very comfortable with. But Forrest wears a coat of many colors... He is a: Pilot
Art Collector
Socialite
Fisherman
Survivor
Woodsman
Writer
Gambler
Reader of Literature
Story Teller
Archaeologist
Geographer
So at the time of writing the chase, could one assume his head was in more of the Archaeological, Geographical phase of his life...? Was he was writing the poem from this particular paradigm. It would seem to make sense. But if written over such a long time frame as stated, the clues could reflect a wide array his interests. But, the poem doesn't seem to reflect some of these traits. So can we look at the clues from where he was at that point in his life, and figure out which angle to read the poem from.... Just a thought? I have thought this also, like a guy that wears many hats in his lifetime. The poem for me can be read like four seasons, starting in the spring and ending in the winter. Much like a personal lifeline. OR Does that mean that we should start our search in the spring but the best season to end it is in the winter? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 9:45:15 GMT -5
Ok, trying to keep up need more coffee. The "winner" is a radically free original thinker who will reject popular opinion for an opposing view that is derived in their mind the only logical solution. They may not know that they have this ability or they may know that they do but have kept it hidden from others to avoid controversy. In the end they discover that this gift is part of who the are and should be embraced? I actually like the way you say that, poetic. I think it needs a tweak. "The 'winner' is a unique free thinker who will reject popular opinion for an opposing view that is conceived from Forrest's mind - the only logical solution. They may not know that they have this ability or they may know that they do but have not learned to use it. In the end they discover that this gift is part of who they are and who Fenn is." Well it is a good first draft, lets keep working on it until it is print ready. "The 'winner' is a unique free thinker who will reject popular opinion for an opposing view that is conceived from Forrest's mind - the only logical solution. They may not know that they have this ability or they may know that they do but have not learned to use it. In the end they discover that this gift is part of who they are and who Fenn is." The person shall submit to being molded and melded but never welded for having obtained their temperament they would surly break if put in that predicament, having the ability to adapt and flow, to stoop low to gain the steepest peak yet evasive enough with barely a pulse they secret at least a man lease. Well it is a good first draft, lets keep working on it until it is print ready. |
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Now that right there is real clever. Hopefully you aren't even in the same state as I am searching.
