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Post by diceycat on Jun 16, 2022 7:09:07 GMT -5
STOP! Look at the painting only . Set all the verses aside for now. Like the saying goes ,a picture is worth a thousand words. JJP is showing you in the painting where to look.
What you should be doing is write down a description of what you see in each of the paintings and all the possible symbolic representations then look for the park in that city that matches. The Cleveland casque was found because of the image of the columns that were seen on the newscast
Lets look at NYC. for now. What do you see? Describe all the possibilities.
I see an angelic/ Christ like figure in a white flowing robe with arms extended holding a chrysanthemum flower ( chrysanthemum flower is a symbol of death/ funeral ). The individual is floating above water/ waves. White being the colour for pure , wholesome, angelic, virgin, great hero like a white knight, saviour. The bottom of the dress is much like the shape of the bottom of Manhattan. The jewel is in the water. So somehow the jewel location is tied to the water The painting is depicted in an arch form ( similar to San Francisco) much like a tombstone or window or doorway. You have a bird with an eagle head soaring above the head ( lady Liberty) . Bird feet pointing to what looks like the domes of a church or those on Ellis Island. Hmmm “ The Eagle has landed”?, Eagle on the presidential seal, national bird. The girls hair and shadows are black( death/ the end) Both the girls head and the Birds’ main body and tail are set in a beige ( sand like) background are they somehow tied together, maybe the girls head represents parts of a bird. I already showed you in the post “ just to create more confusion “ below ,how the black shadows match the Eagle in the memorial. You have what looks like a bat shaped dark black area at the end of the sleeve . Could be a bat for battery park or could be for baseball or could be something like a plane propeller. You see a square time piece a red rectangle which could represent a bldg. doorway, or a letter There are multi coloured dots which could be a representation for many, multicultural, balloons, stained glass, etc. I could keep going but…
Now what park do you think fits the painting best? To me the location is screaming Battery Park and the Memorial JFK dedicated to those that lost their lives at sea. Now apply a verse to the painting.
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Post by choice on Jun 16, 2022 19:37:13 GMT -5
Since we are doing the image only exercise, I use the Boston model for this puzzle. On her right upper arm you can see the letters "UN" in caps. Like Boston image that there is a home-plate in her sleeve, in NYC painting there is a curved V shape planter at the end of her sleeve. Inside the planter you can read "F1 (one)". So a V and F1. You mentioned the arched frame of painting. The most famous one is the Chrysler Building (windows) AND eagle gargoyles too. Chrysler building is also present in the waves in the painting. Square clock, time square is a red herring. Roman numerals is the key. Church was added later in the printing of the book as a clue since it is not in the original painting. Do not look for a church that looks like that in the area. Look at the color of it. That's how you depict ICE. Church + ice, church cold? Church-chill! Churchill is famous for his V sign for peace. I also see a dragon in the shadow of the woman!
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Post by diceycat on Jun 17, 2022 7:01:31 GMT -5
I think that’s the approach one has to take . Look at the painting 1st. When you look at the painting there are objects in the foreground, middle ground and background , so you might have to differentiate the layers. I think you have to look at action, form and function in the object and symbolic representation.The one branch of the “V” that everyone is looking for could be V for victory ( military tie in), but I’m thinking thatBP is referring to something solid that will be present at the location for a long long time. Maybe a V for veterans or a physical V in name or a fork in the path or road. The thing is you need to write down all the possibilities, then sift through them. Not everything is going to point to the park, like the bird in Boston,( Boston Pops). But that bird could be looking or staring (stairs) at the orb. I realize that there are a lot of possibilities out there . I was thinking ,what if BP picked a persons name out of the many carved into the Memorial grey giant slabs in Battery Park as a clue…. maybe?
When looking at something the first thing you see is meaning of the object ,then you ascribe a name to the object. Watch the latest Jordan B. Peterson video ( Montreal talk with Jonathan Pageau ). They talk a lot about visual perception and meaning and symbolism in the first few minutes.
Let’s assume that you don’t know the casque is somewhere in NYC vicinity. Now try to describe the painting without ascribing a location in NYC to it. this is what you need to do for all the other paintings. BP and JJP are putting images in the painting that will hopefully be there for the next 50 years.
If you only had the so called Montreal painting to look at then the casque would be the base of the steps at the George Stephen Bldg.on Drummond St. The problem I have with this spot is that it is not a park and has nothing to do with immigration, ( no connection to water). Unless there is another park in another city that has a better/ similar match. Quebec City, in my books. The verse now plays a part in separating the two possibilities.This is where Montreal falls to the way side for me.
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Post by choice on Jun 20, 2022 17:28:09 GMT -5
The stained glass panels with seagull/eagle bird pretty much gives the location away. Seagull/eagle combo is a rebus/word play for Chagall. Look up "Chagall united nations". Also if you look closely to the bird's legs you'll notice they are forming a V on top and feet point to a sliver of land (negative space) that the lower part of it looks like lower Manhattan. Woman's belt is Queensboro Bridge and her sash is the Blackwell Isle.
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Post by diceycat on Jun 20, 2022 18:53:26 GMT -5
The Chagall theory might be possible . Assuming you can see the stained glass windows from a park/ dig site. Not everything in the painting can be seen from the dig site or can it? Are we looking at it the right way? Are some objects just way points? If there were supposed to be clues embeded in those dots then that just makes solving the puzzle even more difficult. Who says it’s lady Liberty ( no spike crown). Could be Liberty street or something else that says Liberty on it like the ferry . Think Liberty ( bell) road in Cleveland puzzle. I have a difficult time in believing that it’s anywhere else other that Battery park. Especially with the JFK tie in to that maritime memorial, also I read on Q4T that someone mentioned Kennedy Chicken being a popular place to eat in Brooklyn. Kennedy Chicken, (big franchise) ,was founded in 1969. You also have KFC and JFK for the chicken clue.
Another thing I was thinking about is if anyone knows the true location of the casques. I’m sure JJP knows the general location, possibly the exact location , but BP had to look in his notes that were with the jewels in a safety deposit box ,to see the precise location. So wouldn’t those notes together with the jewels be saved? Obviously the jewels are still there. Why weren’t they sold off? I highly doubt the notes would have been tossed out and just the jewels kept. Didn’t you say his wife was accepting solutions, but not confirming any ,why?
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Post by choice on Jun 20, 2022 20:18:23 GMT -5
The publishing company is accepting solutions NOT his wife but since they say they don't know where they are buried they can't confirm. I think they may publish a book of solutions when they compile enough different dig sites. I still think the woman in the painting could be "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds". Try to get that tune out of your head! She's a mix of Liberty and Lucille Ball. Isle of B, I Love Lucy. Her fictional TV show address is just north of UN building slightly in East River. As to chicken, Bantam publishing was the publisher then.
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Post by diceycat on Jun 20, 2022 21:08:22 GMT -5
Now that’s odd that the publishing company would even think of making a book of solutions. A #1 best seller? No buyers more likely. Every solution could be wrong so what’s the point ,unless the publisher knows and publishes the precise location, now that might be a selling feature for the book. Then again someone could post the solution online.
I think Lucille Ball is stretching it and I like keeping the Chicken clue with JFK. All those clues pertain to something that you can see from the dig location. Kind of difficult to envision the line “ him of hard word in 3 vols. “ = Bantam Chicken. If it’s a him it would be a rooster.
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Post by choice on Jun 20, 2022 22:23:26 GMT -5
I thought everybody called Kennedy JFK. Why only Indi natives? And what hard word in 3 vols?
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Post by diceycat on Jun 20, 2022 22:43:34 GMT -5
Him of hard word ( even that clue in the San Francisco Japanese hint he says think hard and add something to it… what else are you going to add , but a word …, hard word), aka JFK wrote three books. The natives( locals/ Americans) still speak of him. The public was always trying to figure out who killed JFK. The sign close by that speaks of the Indies natives is on that monument in Battery park where it speaks of the original settlers from the Dutch East India company, ( the Indies natives). This is that monument in pic below ( under renovation) Some attribute “hard word” to JFK’s speech at Rice University ,( right beside Herman park in Houston),where he talks of going to the Moon not because it’s easy but because it’s hard. That’s a possible theory and so is the fact that JFK went to Harvard aka Hard word. Here’s some colour
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Post by choice on Jun 20, 2022 23:53:34 GMT -5
What is the Soviet/Russian immigration connection here? Arms race? JFK, space race? I don't see anything space racy in the image. Was KFC acronym commonly used in 81? Speaks of Indies native, singular native. Someone from west of east Indies.
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Post by diceycat on Jun 21, 2022 6:53:55 GMT -5
The Russian tie in is the fact that George Gershwin ( Rhapsody in Blue), was of Russian- Jew ancestry. JFK definitely had a bone to pick with the Russians and the Cuban Missile crisis. It’s possible that the small image that is painted on the girl’s sash tassel is a missile and not a bldg. This is why I was thinking of Jacob Riis park and Fort Tilden where they had Nike missiles stationed ready to launch.
Also the face on the tassels could be that of JFK.
You do have that Russian Orthodox Cathedral outline or it could be the Ellis island roof top as well.
Can’t say for certain about the KFC acronym back in 1981, but it makes sense to me. The thing is ,what was the date that BP gave those Japanese hints, not 1981. On that monument you see the one Dutch individual speaking to the one indigenous individual. Have to be able to read that monument to confirm any other lines. Could also be some other sign in the park that’s there or even missing.
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wbgrimesii
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I have several solves but need someone like Josh Gates to get permission to dig for one of them.
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Post by wbgrimesii on Jun 21, 2022 9:50:19 GMT -5
What if we should be using a different verse for new york? I have 3 different pic/verse matches than the current excepted matches. I recognize that the upcoming release of JJP interview may cause me to rethink my solves.
With that said I think we still need to keep an open mind to other possibilities.
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Post by diceycat on Jun 21, 2022 11:05:16 GMT -5
Well…. If you can make logical sense by applying another verse , then maybe. I think for the most part the verses match the painting. I was thinking if it could be possible to use the same verse for two different paintings or would BP even think that way. He just says to match one verse to one painting. Don’t think he would be that sneaky. It’s like the Boston casque, in one of the forums someone had previously mentioned that ballpark area as a possible dig site but did anyone bother checking it out. My guess is No, not until the construction started on the field that Jason K. took the effort to ask those digging up that area with a backhoe to keep a look out for the casque You could be 100% correct on the dig site and nobody will dig it because it’s not their theory, ( some crazy legal ramifications maybe) ,or they could be off by an inch.if they do probe. Look at how much digging was done for the first two casques and they were about to give up. Another thing I was thinking of, is a corner of something involved in the casque location . Like the corner of a fence, concrete structure, baseball diamond, walkway,etc. One last thing. When the verse mentions “Simple roots in Rhapsodic Man’s soil “ it might also be in reference to the Blue Rhapsodic plants that grow by the walkway. The Blue Rhapsodic hydrangea is a perennial plant. The reason why I think this way is because in the Boston verse there was the one word “HOME “ that was used “feel at home “ and the home was home plate. So why not use the word Rhapsodic for both the song to get you to the colour blue and the flower as well as looking down( south) you see Brooklyn, Gershwin’s birth place. Just reposting some old pics
The seagull with the feet down is probably a representation of an airplane with landing gear down( American Eagle flights) that land at JFK airport Even the flight path crosses directly over Battery Park
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Post by diceycat on Jun 22, 2022 14:54:57 GMT -5
Looking further into the history of the Battery it seems that a lot has changed from 1980 till now. The battery fountain and the 2 food kiosks were installed in 2005 . So much has changed there.It might be impossible to locate a casque in this park. I will still put forward with some ideas. The line that states “ take twice as many east steps as the hour Or more”, by incorporating the word East in this unusual manner he might be giving you a clue to the East coast memorial ( there is also a west coast memorial in San Francisco). The next line “ from the middle of one branch of the v “. I think the “v” is a Roman numeral for 5. Much like the way he uses Roman numerals in the clock face. I think he is referring to the the 5 military branches that are depicted on the giant grey granite slabs. The painting depicts a eagle/ seagull which might imply the Airforce column The problem here is was there a pathway in 1980 extending eastward from the middle much like there is now? And how much has been altered ? One can only guess by probing 22 or more steps from the middle of the column. I still think that the Rhapsody Blue hydrangea plays a part if it exists today in that location.
It appears that the flower colour can vary for the Rhapsody Blue Hydrangea as season progresses. I still think the lower portion of the wave looks like a water fountain.
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Post by diceycat on Jul 9, 2022 20:25:38 GMT -5
This is an interesting web site to visit( pic below). It gives you a timeline of events related to the Battery park. It seems that the park was not much of a place to visit in the late 70s , so I imagine one could easily bury a casque there. One other thing I noticed is that they have a volunteer organization to maintain the park . Maybe by joining this , one might get to probe a bit. The whirring sound could be bikes, skate boarders, fishing(casting) or something else.
Now, I’m thinking what if all the images that we see on the ladies robe are related to something in the parks past. I can see at least 4 fish head images. Battery park (Castle Clinton),was the original site of the NYC aquarium from 1896 till 1941, then it was eventually relocated to Coney Island. You have an image of what I would call “JFK “ in the tassel with a Nike missile on his mind ( top of the head), Cuban missile crisis, and the one fish image in that tassel is a shark( Nike missiles were stationed at Ft. Tilden, Atlantic coast), JFK dedicated the maritime memorial in Battery park. Battery park was the first landing location for immigrants then it was subsequently relocated to Ellis Island. Do all the parks have a first of something to do with landing on the shores?
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