2 treasure chests, I'm convinced...evidence

[goldwatch]

Evidence is leading me to this conviction that there are, indeed, two treasure chests hidden out there.
Let me go through a few things, but understand that I'm not showing even more things I have found because you all are too smart for your own good (in this scenario).
Most of this is centered around OH!'s recent comments. I'm not saying anything negative about his solve here, he's got some good stuff going there. But it's the recent stuff that is foremost in my memory, and the work I've put into it is in the front of my brain. I have had many other things that made me wonder about a second treasure, just as most have.
- The two Omega signs.
- The two books and the two hats, both covers colored alike.
- And many other things.
My apologies to OH! for putting him at the forefront here, it's just a timing thing. But he's stumbled gracefully onto more than just his solve. 

Lets start with the 42# and 44# treasure chest comments.
mysteriouswritings.proboards.com/thread/1242/42lb-chest-44lb
This is no coincidence of mistakes. FF's mistakes turn out to be hints or directions to hints.
- Notice that in the case of the 42# comments, he just says "box full of gold" (and in particular the word "box") with no mention of jewels or other things.
- Where as in the case of the 44# comments, he does add "precious gems". The same term in both cases. And in this 44# case he also uses the words "treasure chest".
This is too much leading in one direction, that they are two separate things. Two treasures.

But there's more. Much more.

The picture of the treasure chest on page 3 of TTOTC (The Thrill Of The Chase, for those who are new).
From OH!'s solve...
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The last picture is the one we're talking about.
That's a Kodak film picture frame around the picture of the treasure chest. He had to blow it up and reverse it in a mirror to see this.
(Fantastic work, btw, OH!)
Now, Kodak is also famous for developing the "twin lens camera". This is the old fashioned camera where you could either hold the camera up at your eye, or you could look through the "twin" lens down at your waste.
Kodak accomplished this by use of mirrors.

From there, lets look at the number 109 (shown in that revelation).
If you go to page 109 in both books, you'll see "ropes" in the sketches. Sure, one's a cable, but a little poetic license is allowed. Rope like strings from a ball of string woven like braids. This is a clue to using both books, as they link the hints together. FF spent those 15 years wisely, it seems.

In the book, TFTW (Too Far To Walk) on page 109, the thing here is in the story. That FF made it home to be with his family. More on that as I go along.

#109 is a prime number. And it has a twin prime number, 107.
And if you go to page 107 of TTOTC, you'll find the picture of FF's daughters (family), the one that causes many to ask if they are twins. We know they are not, but there are two of them and that's what is the important thing in this hint.
(Page 107 of TFTW is more obscure to me, but he talks about 2 choices?)

I'll add here that on page 45 of TFTW there's a picture of FF's mother (family) and her twin sister.
I do have something that leads me to this page, but I don't want to show that source material because it also has something I'm afraid to lead you all to. Sorry.

Now lets go back to where we started, at page 3 of TTOTC.
If you go to page 3 of TFTW (the other book), you'll find a picture of the family home. Another sort of treasure chest, if you will.
Now, the number 3 is also a prime number. And it also has a twin prime. That is number 5. If you go to page 5 of TFTW, you'll find a picture of FF's childhood toys.
TWO treasures.

[rahrah]

Interesting...looking forward to reading more as you develop this one!

[goldwatch]

Oct 2, 2017 14:05:39 GMT -5 rahrah said:

Interesting...looking forward to reading more as you develop this one!

Yeah, there's more. But I have to get my ducks in a row and all that sort of thing.

[goldwatch]

www.oldsantafetradingco.com/blog/sweet-fragrances
Here's another one.
The spice blog at FF's site.

The key points here are:
- the fact that there's a second, hidden layer below the first.
- the word "cloves".

I'd lay odds that FF's new book shows that second layer in it.
This is a multi-layered hint, btw. I think the top layer has hints to the first treasure's solve, and then the hint to a second treasure.





Edit to add that I forgot that Dal's site has the same post as a Scrapbook...
dalneitzel.com/2013/11/15/scrapbook-forty-nine/

That's two posts for the same thing, although I'm not putting stock in that because I'm sure there are others.
But notice, this is Scrapbook 49. And on page 49 of TFTW is a picture of FF and his mom, at the end of the chapter about his mom, which is preceded by the picture of his mom and her twin sister.

[indigojones]

goldwatch: I have suggested this in some of my previous posts here but no one has taken it up. I don't think there are two chests however.

Forrest came up with a system that worked beautifully on the map to a place where something smaller could be hidden, but not the chest. I believe as I have said before that the Bracelet is what you will first discover. The last drawing in the book shows Fenn or his father looking at the crescent moon, the crescent moon is the symbol for Silver in Alchemy. When this place is found it will lead you to the 'X' the tenth clue. This is how he knows the chest has not been found because the poem does not take you to the chest. I believe that this will prove to be the answer. I think that this is his fail safe device to protect the wealth of the treasure which will be revealed in Clue 10 within the container you find. This system of concealment has been used in the past by hunt setters, and with such a wealth of treasure he would surely protect it from being stumbled upon. I re-iterate that the 9 poem clues will take you to this spot and you will understand it.

The letters for GOLD in the periodic table are 'Au' A = 1 and U = 21 and you get 22. The number of turquoise beads in the bracelet. The dove in that same picture is 'PEACE' the little creature behind it I believe is a FROG. Think bronze frog jar, that I believe is what is hidden and "IT IS" under water, the chest is not. This is IMO. Your latest pic takes you to a clue from the word 'SPICES' that is an easy one, I think that is all that you get from this article.

[goldwatch]

Oct 2, 2017 14:46:27 GMT -5 indigojones said:

goldwatch: I have suggested this in some of my previous posts here but no one has taken it up. I don't think there are two chests however.

Forrest came up with a system that worked beautifully on the map to a place where something smaller could be hidden, but not the chest. I believe as I have said before that the Bracelet is what you will first discover. The last drawing in the book shows Fenn or his father looking at the crescent moon, the crescent moon is the symbol for Silver in Alchemy. When this place is found it will lead you to the 'X' the tenth clue. This is how he knows the chest has not been found because the poem does not take you to the chest. I believe that this will prove to be the answer. I think that this is his fail safe device to protect the wealth of the treasure which will be revealed in Clue 10 within the container you find. This system of concealment has been used in the past by hunt setters, and with such a wealth of treasure he would surely protect it from being stumbled upon. I re-iterate that the 9 poem clues will take you to this spot and you will understand it.

The letters for GOLD in the periodic table are 'Au' A = 1 and U = 21 and you get 22. The number of turquoise beads in the bracelet. The dove in that same picture is 'PEACE' the little creature behind it is a FROG. Think bronze frog jar, that I believe is what is hidden and "IT IS" under water, the chest is not. This is IMO. Your latest pic is takes you to a clue from the word 'SPICES' I think that is all that you get from this article.

Indigo, that's some very solid thinking. But then what about the 2 sets of weight comments?
Twice he says 42 pounds and twice he says 44 pounds.
And what about the "twins" things going on here?
Mother was a twin,
daughters look like twins,
the Kodak twin lens camera,
cloves,
layers,
two hats and two book "covers" (as in hats) that match colors,
page numbers,
twin primes,
and ropes to tie it all together.

Edited above to add.

[indigojones]

Thanks goldwatch, well the twins connection with the two Omegas and the other 'twos' you mention do re-inforce the two endings to this chase. Colour is important in starting out with the puzzle, two in particular. The 42 is related to colour. The 44 is a further clue that I cannot divulge at present hope you understand.

[goldwatch]

Oct 2, 2017 15:04:53 GMT -5 indigojones said:

Thanks goldwatch, well the twins connection with the two Omegas and the other 'twos' you mention do re-inforce the two endings to this chase. Colour is important in starting out with the puzzle, two in particular. The 42 is related to colour. The 44 is a further clue that I cannot divulge at present hope you understand.

Of course I understand. We're all holding back something, with few exceptions.

But a question, shouldn't your #44 also be related to color? Or somehow related to #42?

[indigojones]

I do not have an answer for why 44 at present goldwatch but I will certainly work on that one. I take your valid point about the fact that the colors should be related to these two numbers but only one is. I think your workings out are worth the effort though, it is not wasted IMO, at least you believe like me that there are two things hidden. I would continue to think along those lines. Interesting discussing with you, thanks.

[goldwatch]

Two!

The stick man has legs, and he's wearing FF's shirt.

[rahrah]

I've posted previously about how synonyms are grouped by what are called "senses", a top-level synonym, then a variety of additional words that are synonymous 'in a sense'.

For example, with the word 'thrifty', one sense is 'cheap', which can also be expressed as miserly, stingy, or tight...another sense is 'economical', which can be expressed as provident, spare or tight.

In two senses 'thrifty' is 'tight'.

The phrase 'two sense(s)' can also mean a play on words, taking a phrase like "a place to get wired" and you want the person hearing that to think "cyber cafe" since you can get 'wired' with caffeine (coffee) or 'wired' to the internet.

I believe both types of use are within the chase.

[goldwatch]

That may be also. FF seems to double up on hints sometimes.
But another way of saying "My Two Sense" is "A Sense Of My Two."

And Two days after I posted this about Two treasures, FF has this posted.

[swanka]

goldwatch in the spice picture what do people agree on when counting the 3 little bottles in the top row do they = 3 or 1.5?

cause if they 3 then the 2 bottle in row 3 could be seen as 3 or 3+2 or something for people who like to play with numbers and stuff

thank You for Your time

[goldwatch]

I don't think people agree on anything, do they swanka?
I only see one set of 2 bottles, and another one of those shorties alone. So I don't really understand what you're getting at.
I'm after the treasure too, so don't expect me to give anything away on a solve. I can't prove my solve anyways, ya know?
I went, and I came back empty handed. Like so many.
But two treasures, that's something. It's almost double what we thought was out there.

[swanka]

Oct 2, 2017 14:37:46 GMT -5 goldwatch said:

www.oldsantafetradingco.com/blog/sweet-fragrances
Here's another one.
The spice blog at FF's site.

The key points here are:
- the fact that there's a second, hidden layer below the first.
- the word "cloves".

I'd lay odds that FF's new book shows that second layer in it.
This is a multi-layered hint, btw. I think the top layer has hints to the first treasure's solve, and then the hint to a second treasure.





Edit to add that I forgot that Dal's site has the same post as a Scrapbook...
dalneitzel.com/2013/11/15/scrapbook-forty-nine/

That's two posts for the same thing, although I'm not putting stock in that because I'm sure there are others.
But notice, this is Scrapbook 49. And on page 49 of TFTW is a picture of FF and his mom, at the end of the chapter about his mom, which is preceded by the picture of his mom and her twin sister.

in the spices i was  thinking of Your prime numbers path Your working like 3 5 but i just realized that also connect to 43 because 4 jars of spices in 3 slots. also with a little reaching top row 9th slot has 1 jar plus a blank spot for a second jar witch could be 0 to fill the empty slot so 109. also 10 jars 9 rows 109.

so atleast 4 jars 3 rows and 10 jars 9 rows

with FF saying there is a precise way and theres alot of 43 109's coming from different solvepaths. i would like to see someone figure out how to crack the 43 109 to ideally match the blaze i think i found @ 43.70 109.25 i really think Roll Tide is on to something with the postmarks and got to be something to that free content on FF site the 3 postmarks cause first one is on p43 and post mark is 19Oct.

i dont know but ever since OH! opened my eyes to this 109 43 stuff and i starting to see stuff that amazes me.the depth FF put into the Chase