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Post by choice on Nov 3, 2021 19:46:30 GMT -5
The New Orleans casque is buried on the south side of Mardi Gras Fountain! There are 20 plaques on the east side and 20 on the west side of the fountain. There are 15 palm trees on the east side and 15 on the west. The dig spot is on the south side between these trees and also centered between the plaques. South of the fountain all the streets are named after gems. Show me how you got to this conclusion that there were 15 palm trees on each side in 1981. I seriously like to see a park report or a period over flight. Alternative would be a hollow statement with no backing or documentation. I can't wait for you to post a period picture.
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Post by choice on Nov 3, 2021 19:47:13 GMT -5
Still thinking the Image 7 Verse 2 city is St. Louis, not the Crescent City. Would you like to elaborate sir?
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Post by zaphod73491 on Nov 4, 2021 1:54:25 GMT -5
Early this year I spent several weeks digging into the purported New Orleans solution(s) and supporting ideas (as well as Milwaukee and St. Augustine), but ultimately found St. Louis to be a far better match than what's been proposed for N.O. (Those other two cities are undeniably correct in my opinion.) I'll find my notes folder and summarize those findings here in the next day...
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Post by zaphod73491 on Nov 6, 2021 17:47:42 GMT -5
Here are the main features of Image 7 that told me this is St. Louis and not New Orleans: 1. The "90" in the lower right corner of the clock face is the decimal portion of the longitude of St. Louis (though it is also the longitude of New Orleans). If you include the "29" in the upper right corner of the clock face, 90.29 was the longitude of the World's Fair held in Forest Park, St. Louis, in 1904. (However, read below for what I think the main purpose of the 29 is.) 2. The red and cyan checkerboard pattern could represent the iconic red and white checkerboard pattern of Ralston Purina, which is headquartered in St. Louis at Checkerboard Square. 3. The blue-highlighted arch around the sides and bottom of the harlequin mask matches the catenary shape (upside down) of the famous St. Louis Arch. (For the solved puzzles, the artist has frequently highlighted clues in his images in blue.) But now for the clincher: 4. In my opinion, Image 7's grandfather clock is unmistakably the "Tall Clock" inside the Saint Louis Art Museum in Forest Park. Same roman numerals, big full Moon above the clock dial, flowers in all four corners of the clock face (just the upper two corners in Image 7 -- December: narcissus flower), and extremely similar ornate hour hand. The "29" in the upper right is an added confirmer: same location as the "29" on the Tall Clock (corresponding to number of days in a lunar month). Finally, Image 7 and the Tall Clock have the same pattern of arching wood at the top of the clock, as well as the curving inward slope and profile leading to the rectangular base. I encourage anyone to compare image 7 with this zoomable image of SLAM's Tall Clock: www.slam.org/collection/objects/33451/I really think this should close the door on the New Orleans hypothesis and establish St. Louis as the correct city -- and likely specifically Forest Park.
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Post by choice on Nov 7, 2021 14:38:22 GMT -5
New Orleans' longitude and latitude around the clock: 29, 90 and 91 (19 flipped), 30 (03 flipped covered by mask "Only 3 stand watch", 03 SW) Louisiana map present, wolf head. Voodoo/werewolf hand + mask/Mardi Gras.
I doubt artist used decimal points in Long/Lat. numbers since GPS wasn't a wildly used thing then.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Nov 7, 2021 14:50:51 GMT -5
New Orleans' longitude and latitude around the clock: 29, 90 and 91 (19 flipped), 30 (03 flipped covered by mask "Only 3 stand watch", 03 SW) Louisiana map present, wolf head. Voodoo/werewolf hand + mask/Mardi Gras. I doubt artist used decimal points in Long/Lat. numbers since GPS wasn't a wildly used thing then. Well, the choice of decimal degrees or degrees, minutes, seconds has nothing to do with GPS. They are just two different ways of expressing the same thing. But I agree that Byron was more likely to work in degrees and minutes, which is why I wrote that the 29 was more likely to match the 29 on the Tall Clock.
The degrees portion of the latitude of St. Louis can also be found in the illustration with reversed digits as in Cleveland's 14/41: 83/38 created by the flower in the upper left corner of the clock face.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Nov 7, 2021 17:19:13 GMT -5
Actually, it's not that the digits of 38 are reversed in the illustration -- they're in the correct order. You just have to tilt your head 90 degrees or so to the left to see them in the flower. The "3" is smaller and right next to the "P" of PRESERVATION. The "8" is larger and next to the "19" in the upper left corner of the clock face.
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Post by zaphod73491 on Nov 7, 2021 22:14:44 GMT -5
The shape of the state of Missouri can also be found in the checkerboard pattern: it's 2 squares above the wolf square, mirror-reversed.
That New Orleans aficionados have claimed as evidence that the wolf head looks like the shape of Louisiana upside down is rather dumbfounding to me: they aren't even close. Note that I'm not claiming that the Missouri shape was deliberate by Palencar: it's reasonably close, but not a slam dunk. But geometrically it is a far superior match than the wolf head to Louisiana. It also handily explains why Palencar diverged from a simple checkerboard pattern throughout. Why make extra work for yourself unless it's part of a clue? New Orleans doesn't explain that, but St. Louis would.
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Post by choice on Nov 7, 2021 22:39:09 GMT -5
Actually there are 2 possibilities for "checkerboard". Obvious one is a typical cafe's table cloth. Goes nicely with that tea spoon on the sleeve. Semi-obvious one would be Harlequin pattern similar to the floater's stockings.
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Post by xwordmark on Mar 30, 2022 12:31:28 GMT -5
DIG IN OWL'S I (eye)
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Post by wbgrimesii on Mar 30, 2022 14:18:24 GMT -5
That is compelling
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Post by xwordmark on Mar 30, 2022 21:45:07 GMT -5
DIG IN OWL'S I (eye)
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Post by xwordmark on Mar 30, 2022 21:51:31 GMT -5
So I'm new here - just joined today, and I've just discovered this treasure hunt.
The phrase "DIG IN OWL'S I (EYE)" - is that from the hunt? The reason I ask is because the OWL map picture shown above - the 5 in the left eye is "Harlequin Park" (which could be what the checkerboard pattern references). Anyway, the park is located on Jewel St., and all the streets in that area are the names of jewels.
Just thought I'd throw that out there.
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Post by xwordmark on Mar 30, 2022 22:01:44 GMT -5
One more thought - "15 rows down to the ground" - that park is surrounded by 15 houses, and 'row' could be used as another word for 'house' (like 'Fraternity Row').
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Post by choice on Apr 5, 2022 14:33:22 GMT -5
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